2023 Football Season

[iramurphy]

I hate to bring reality into the equation. This CMSioux’s post isn’t “the biggest problem” for UND athletics. The biggest problem is our coaches and players are struggling and that has nothing to do with a loyal fan who enjoys the game experience. He makes it clear he doesn’t like our lack of success but stated why he still likes UND FB. He didn’t say it doesn’t matter if we win or lose. He says nothing about his philosophy regarding sports or anything else. What is impressive is that he attends so many games both home and away. That is something fans can do to help our programs. 

This forum represents only a small number of all UND fans.  The anonymity afforded us empowers us to not only opine regarding teams, coaches, fans or administrators, we can do so without having to divulge anything about ourselves that might give us credibility among other readers. I like it to get information and entertainment. Money is the driving force behind so much in college athletics. That is how we might affect changes when needed. Change won’t come because of what we post on a fan forum. 
 

 

 

[fightingsioux4life]

6 minutes ago, iramurphy said:

I hate to bring reality into the equation. This CMSioux’s post isn’t “the biggest problem” for UND athletics. The biggest problem is our coaches and players are struggling and that has nothing to do with a loyal fan who enjoys the game experience. He makes it clear he doesn’t like our lack of success but stated why he still likes UND FB. He didn’t say it doesn’t matter if we win or lose. He says nothing about his philosophy regarding sports or anything else. What is impressive is that he attends so many games both home and away. That is something fans can do to help our programs. 

This forum represents only a small number of all UND fans.  The anonymity afforded us empowers us to not only opine regarding teams, coaches, fans or administrators, we can do so without having to divulge anything about ourselves that might give us credibility among other readers. I like it to get information and entertainment. Money is the driving force behind so much in college athletics. That is how we might affect changes when needed. Change won’t come because of what we post on a fan forum. 

Thank you for proving my point.

[geaux_sioux]

Also: have we learned our lesson about the magic carpet and wearing cleats yet? I’d trust the home teams understand what works best on that stuff and they have a ton of guys wearing turf shoes and indoor soccer shoes on most wr and db. 

[shep]

45 minutes ago, fightingsioux4life said:

Thank you for proving my point.

NO ONE is happy about yesterday.

NO ONE is happy with 7-4

NO ONE is happy with a 1st round playoff loss.

[F'n Hawks]

39 minutes ago, geaux_sioux said:

Also: have we learned our lesson about the magic carpet and wearing cleats yet? I’d trust the home teams understand what works best on that stuff and they have a ton of guys wearing turf shoes and indoor soccer shoes on most wr and db. 

Smith was slipping all over the place yesterday. Didn’t look to see what he was wearing though.

[geaux_sioux]

16 minutes ago, F'n Hawks said:

Smith was slipping all over the place yesterday. Didn’t look to see what he was wearing though.

Cleats. 

[iramurphy]

4 hours ago, fightingsioux4life said:

Thank you for proving my point.

You are welcome I think. You made a number of points. I’m not sure which one you think I proved. I agree that neither you nor UND FB Fan are the problem with our FB program but neither is CMSioux nor those who don’t lose sleep over our favorite sports. All that does is make you tired the next day.
 I would guess wins and losses matter to anyone who played or coached high school sports and their parents and fans. 
Get your letter sent to Santa and I hope you get the gift of your dreams. 

[CMSioux]

3 hours ago, fightingsioux4life said:

I enjoy tailgating before games as much as anybody.

I enjoy meeting people at tailgating.

I am well aware that the world doesn't stop spinning on its axis if we don't win.

I am all for enjoying life while we are alive (the recent loss of Katie Richards hammers that home).

But that is not what this thread or forum is about.

This thread is about the 2023 FB season and where we stand as a team and a program.

And the biggest problem with our program is not people like @UND-FB-FAN or myself. It is posts and attitudes like this, where 7-4 is considered good enough and we shouldn't say one negative thing about it. It is attitudes like this that convince people like Chaves and Armacost that a change is not needed and everything is just fine as it is. It is this same philosophy that has held back all our non-hockey programs for the past 15 years (ever since we moved up from D-II to D-I). The attitude of "I don't like we lost, but these are just 'student-athletes', so it doesn't really matter if we win or lose" is simply not appropriate for a Division I collegiate athletics program like UND.

This is not high school, where if the team never wins anything, it doesn't matter. And as long as we keeping running this athletic department like that, we will continue experiencing more of the same around here.

If you want to focus on having a positive attitude about life in general, go read Zig Ziglar.

Because that is not what this forum is about. This is the toy department of life. And it is not asking too much to expect something decent under the tree once in awhile.

Thankfully UND has fans like you to balance out fans like me. 

[UND-FB-FAN]

15 hours ago, shep said:

NO ONE is happy about yesterday.

NO ONE is happy with 7-4

NO ONE is happy with a 1st round playoff loss.

Since apparently no one is happy (or content?), what will be done to incite change? Extend the status quo? Pretty sure anyone from any background can tell you that is not the solution, but yet what was done in 2021? What will be done in 2023?

I suspect the “easy button” (i.e., the inexpensive option) was engaged back in 2021/2022, but that can’t be done the second time around for Chaves. 

[The Sicatoka]

In my mind there's more than "playoffs" on the line Saturday. 

The team has melted down since the NDSU game. 

[UND-FB-FAN]

17 hours ago, iramurphy said:

The biggest problem is our coaches and players are struggling and that has nothing to do with a loyal fan who enjoys the game experience.

What is impressive is that he attends so many games both home and away. That is something fans can do to help our programs. 

These two points are not clear-cut or inarguably. But it’s been expanded on ad nauseam, so I think it’s not worth getting into too much again.

I will just say having fans who want UND to do better than they’ve been doing is important, but simply just attending games won’t be sufficient to help the program by itself. Donations ($) will help, along with a proactive, aggressive athletic department. What is the current overall philosophy of fans and the athletic department? That will extrapolate towards success or lack thereof on the football field. 

[SiouxHawkGuy]

On 7/14/2023 at 7:55 PM, SiouxHawkGuy said:

I have this feeling we beat the Bison but then lose to South Dakota. 

Well well well

[UND-FB-FAN]

6 minutes ago, SiouxHawkGuy said:

Well well well

The trends of the program are well-established at this point. 

[shep]

50 minutes ago, UND-FB-FAN said:

Since apparently no one is happy (or content?), what will be done to incite change? Extend the status quo? Pretty sure anyone from any background can tell you that is not the solution, but yet what was done in 2021? What will be done in 2023?

I suspect the “easy button” (i.e., the inexpensive option) was engaged back in 2021/2022, but that can’t be done the second time around for Chaves. 

I don't want to read your mind, but IF you think that whining about the coaches and UND football in general on this fan forum is THE WAY to incite change, I am sorry, but that is just nuts. 

Put it this way: If you were Chaves would you care for a second what a bunch of know-it-alls think? Would you really care what SHEP wants for UND football?

[UND-FB-FAN]

12 minutes ago, shep said:

I don't want to read your mind, but IF you think that whining about the coaches and UND football in general on this fan forum is THE WAY to incite change, I am sorry, but that is just nuts. 

Put it this way: If you were Chaves would you care for a second what a bunch of know-it-alls think? Would you really care what SHEP wants for UND football?

I don’t think this fan forum is used to make any decisions, so let’s move on from that silly theory right now. 
 

This fan forum, however, can be used to sample and discuss the opinion and perspective of alumni and fans who really care. Perhaps some even speak with dollars, i don’t know, based on anonymity. But again, this is all just discussion amongst people who care and follow UND athletics very closely; much closer than your “average” fan.

[Big Green]

44 minutes ago, SiouxHawkGuy said:

Well well well

Well USD is the better team, so there's that.

 

[AJS]

8 minutes ago, shep said:

I don't want to read your mind, but IF you think that whining about the coaches and UND football in general on this fan forum is THE WAY to incite change, I am sorry, but that is just nuts. 

Put it this way: If you were Chaves would you care for a second what a bunch of know-it-alls think? Would you really care what SHEP wants for UND football?

On an individual level, depends on your donation level. I would think Chaves absolutely would care about the sentiment of the fan base. IMO, things feel different this year, than it has previously. I think the tide has turned on Bubba.*

*I said this yesterday, it'll take something (playoff win or two), to change that. 

[forksandspoons]

19 hours ago, wheelsup said:

UND showed the template on how we can win this year against NDSU.  For some reason Danny has been unwilling to build on that gameplan.  If we went with that yesterday we would have won the game and the UNI game would have been substantially different as well.  The o-line is one of the strengths of this team particularly the run blocking.

This!

[CMSioux]

1 hour ago, AJS said:

On an individual level, depends on your donation level. I would think Chaves absolutely would care about the sentiment of the fan base. IMO, things feel different this year, than it has previously. I think the tide has turned on Bubba.*

*I said this yesterday, it'll take something (playoff win or two), to change that. 

"The fan base" spends little time thinking about the football team other than game days. They attend home games which are 99 percent wins. Beating SU was another step. If I was a fan that found no joy in UND football I would find something else to do on Saturdays (and the every waking hour spent spewing negativity on a fan site).  

[gfhockey]

Stony Brook fired their coach today. Watch and looking at resumes is the same as Bubbas.

[AJS]

54 minutes ago, CMSioux said:

"The fan base" spends little time thinking about the football team other than game days. They attend home games which are 99 percent wins. Beating SU was another step. If I was a fan that found no joy in UND football I would find something else to do on Saturdays (and the every waking hour spent spewing negativity on a fan site).  

Apathy is real thing in sports. My hope would be that those in charge would notice it before it really latches on. There are a lot of NDSU fans by the look of attendance that are finding something else to do on Saturdays. That matters to the bottom line. That matters to a program.

[Irish]

2 hours ago, AJS said:

On an individual level, depends on your donation level. I would think Chaves absolutely would care about the sentiment of the fan base. IMO, things feel different this year, than it has previously. I think the tide has turned on Bubba.*

*I said this yesterday, it'll take something (playoff win or two), to change that. 

He didn't care that much about the fan base when he renewed a 5-6 Bubba before his contract was up and after he called perhaps the worst game I have seen in many many years against NDSU.  Now it doesn't matter what the fan base sentiment is because we are stuck with Bubba and can't afford a buy out.  

[Kab]

Chaves should pay attention to what the average fan thinks

keep losing games and attendance will drop

2000 less fans per game is $50,000 x 5 = $250,000 per year

win and add 2000 per game and you add $250,000 per year

really simple math for Chaves 

why do you think they lower prices on certain weekends for hockey, A $15 ticket for 3000 fans who wouldn’t buy a $40 ticket makes sense on a thanksgiving or New Years weekend when students are gone .

[shep]

Perhaps unrelated to UND football, but imagine being a Texas AM fan knowing the cost to rid your team of all coaches is around 125 MILLION!

[UND1983]

18 minutes ago, Kab said:

Chaves should pay attention to what the average fan thinks

keep losing games and attendance will drop

2000 less fans per game is $50,000 x 5 = $250,000 per year

win and add 2000 per game and you add $250,000 per year

really simple math for Chaves 

why do you think they lower prices on certain weekends for hockey, A $15 ticket for 3000 fans who wouldn’t buy a $40 ticket makes sense on a thanksgiving or New Years weekend when students are gone .

NDSU AD is running those numbers right now. I figure they are down about 20,000 tickets on their 6 home games this year (not counting US Bank game).