FCS Playoffs

[UND08]

5 minutes ago, Kab said:

Don’t knock the gray hairs

at least they attend the game and stay until it’s over

where are the younger hairs?

Finding other things to do I'd guess.  The days of blind loyalty are over...you have to compete for those people and have something to offer.  Doesn't matter if it's a workplace or a football arena.

[Shawn-O]

7 hours ago, UND08 said:

And it certainly doesn't help the effort to buck that trend when you run your marketing and several other functions through a co-mingled arrangement with a non-profit that has a major vested interest in the continuation of hockey sucking up the vast majority of the available resources at UND.

Not a hockey hater by any means...but that arrangement hasn't been very good for the non-hockey sports imo...

Kennedy tried to step in on this, look where it got him.  

[The Sicatoka]

If Armacost has half a clue he'll learn from Kennedy and change approach strategy. 

[The Sicatoka]

6 hours ago, UND08 said:

Finding other things to do I'd guess.  

[Nodak78]

1 hour ago, The Sicatoka said:

If Armacost has half a clue he'll learn from Kennedy and change approach strategy. 

He would have to grow a pair.

[Irish]

On 12/13/2022 at 12:42 PM, UND08 said:

At the risk of getting myself flamed on here...I actually agree with you on a lot of aspects related to UND sports.  One thing I've found this fall is wanting better for this program than 7-4/6-5 is not popular with a lot of people!  The solution involves a lot of people and a lot of resources that starts at a level much higher than Bubba, and that's a vicious cycle.  UND's results don't inspire people to go to games/commit $$/etc...and without those $$ it's hard to invest more into the program to give it what it needs to thrive.  Meanwhile 7-4/6-5 isn't enough to make wholesale changes, especially when the current way of doing things is "cheap".  So from a business perspective the ROI is "acceptable"...but to fans like you and I who see NDSU's success and say "Why can't we do that?"...well it's a hard pill to swallow...  

If UND is going to catch up, it needs to catch lightning in a bottle and sustain some success at a level that's higher than they should currently be able to expect given their level of support.  Is Bubba in year 9 going to find that?  Doubtful...but if you make changes there's risk it could get much worse.  Seems like we are too risk averse to do anything different...so until something changes, my expectation is 7-4/6-5 and a further stagnation within the program.

Exactly this - NDSU fired Bob Babich who was 44-14 before his one losing season and brought in Bohl who gave them championships.  We had Muss for 6 years and are now on our 9th year of Bubba Ball (6 with Rudy as OC), and extended him after a 5-6 year.  See the difference.  I give as much as I can to UND athletics and have season tickets, but I would be hard pressed to shell in more money for more Bubba Ball.  Yet people wonder why we can't beat Moo U.  

[nodak651]

Marketing.  Still waiting on Pollard Phase 2 renderings and public fundraising effort.  Who gives a crap I guess.  

Are there renderings anywhere of the new coaches offices being built?  Build some hype, my god.

[Mama Sue]

5 hours ago, nodak651 said:

Marketing.  Still waiting on Pollard Phase 2 renderings and public fundraising effort.  Who gives a crap I guess.  

Are there renderings anywhere of the new coaches offices being built?  Build some hype, my god.

So I got an annual letter from the alumni assn. for donations. There was an option for some football fund I have not heard of and no expksination what the fund is used for. I am GLAD that football made the letter but there needs to be a coordinated effort. Is someone working on this? Just wondering.

[UND-FB-FAN]

20 hours ago, Kab said:

Don’t knock the gray hairs

at least they attend the game and stay until it’s over

where are the younger hairs?

I think the gray hairs deserve their fair share of criticism. Everything is interconnected. Their conservatism and “stagnant” thinking as @UND08states is not a good thing. Constantly comparing them to the student body isn’t going to produce any accomplishments for UND. 

[UND-FB-FAN]

14 hours ago, Shawn-O said:

Kennedy tried to step in on this, look where it got him.  

A higher paying job in Colorado? 
 

Kennedy was definitely on the right track by identifying and trying to rectify the corrupt Engelstad-UND agreement, but in the end just too much corruption (and crying wolf by Engelstad-McGary) to stick with that fiasco. 

[UND-FB-FAN]

6 hours ago, nodak651 said:

Marketing.  Still waiting on Pollard Phase 2 renderings and public fundraising effort.  Who gives a crap I guess.  

Are there renderings anywhere of the new coaches offices being built?  Build some hype, my god.

 

7 hours ago, Irish said:

Exactly this - NDSU fired Bob Babich who was 44-14 before his one losing season and brought in Bohl who gave them championships.  We had Muss for 6 years and are now on our 9th year of Bubba Ball (6 with Rudy as OC), and extended him after a 5-6 year.  See the difference.  I give as much as I can to UND athletics and have season tickets, but I would be hard pressed to shell in more money for more Bubba Ball.  Yet people wonder why we can't beat Moo U.  

Don’t want to start a hockey vs football argument, but with UND’s finite amount of resources, UND football is certainly limited by the degree of allocation towards hockey. Just the way it is. There isn’t enough money, time, and staff for UND (apparently) to market and build both programs to the top tier. It’s beyond disappointing, but the last 15 years definitely demonstrate it. 

[Kab]

3 hours ago, UND-FB-FAN said:

I think the gray hairs deserve their fair share of criticism. Everything is interconnected. Their conservatism and “stagnant” thinking as @UND08states is not a good thing. Constantly comparing them to the student body isn’t going to produce any accomplishments for UND. 

So us gray hairs that go to the games, support the institution, donate money and you think we deserve criticism?  We might not be able to yell as loud as we once did but many of us are there.  Not comparing to student body just wondering where they are. 
not sure what you mean by conservatism or stagnant thinking but I sure as hell don’t want to be criticized for supporting UND.

[Hawkster]

10 hours ago, Irish said:

Exactly this - NDSU fired Bob Babich who was 44-14 before his one losing season and brought in Bohl who gave them championships.  We had Muss for 6 years and are now on our 9th year of Bubba Ball (6 with Rudy as OC), and extended him after a 5-6 year.  See the difference.  I give as much as I can to UND athletics and have season tickets, but I would be hard pressed to shell in more money for more Bubba Ball.  Yet people wonder why we can't beat Moo U.  

I might be dead wrong here, but I don't think Babich was fired at NDSU.   I always thought he was "encouraged" to move on and took a better position with Lovey Smith and the Chicago Bears.   The point is NDSU didn't have to eat a year or two of his contract with Babich leaving on his own.   This may be the only way we ever rid ourselves of Bubba.   There's no way UND can afford to buy out Bubba.

[UND-FB-FAN]

7 hours ago, Hawkster said:

There's no way UND can afford to buy out Bubba.

True, but pathetic. UND extended him after a losing season!?! 
 

Ridiculous. Did Engelstad-McGary recommend that extension? 

[UND-FB-FAN]

7 hours ago, Kab said:

So us gray hairs that go to the games, support the institution, donate money and you think we deserve criticism?  We might not be able to yell as loud as we once did but many of us are there.  Not comparing to student body just wondering where they are. 
not sure what you mean by conservatism or stagnant thinking but I sure as hell don’t want to be criticized for supporting UND.

There’s always exceptions, but as a whole, the “gray hairs” aren’t doing enough. So, yes, fair criticism is warranted. By fair, I mean UND’s lack of compete ascension is certainly not entirely due to the gray hairs. There’s internal misdirection to thank for some of the issues. 

[Kab]

41 minutes ago, UND-FB-FAN said:

There’s always exceptions, but as a whole, the “gray hairs” aren’t doing enough. So, yes, fair criticism is warranted. By fair, I mean UND’s lack of compete ascension is certainly not entirely due to the gray hairs. There’s internal misdirection to thank for some of the issues. 

Please expand on what the hell you want us to do.

‘we don’t hire and fire 

[Siouxperman8]

41 minutes ago, Kab said:

Please expand on what the hell you want us to do.

‘we don’t hire and fire 

Yes - please help us grey hairs and bald heads understand.

[Wilbur]

We got certain people that know FCS picking the Incarnates over the bizen.

Do the Incarnates stay within 10 points honestly? 

[iluvdebbies]

4 minutes ago, Wilbur said:

We got certain people that know FCS picking the Incarnates over the bizen.

Do the Incarnates stay within 10 points honestly? 

I think,as always, it will come down to which team has the fewest number of "gray hairs" in their fanbase.

[Kab]

School is out

bad roads

bisen fatigue

do they draw 8000

[Wilbur]

24 minutes ago, iluvdebbies said:

I think,as always, it will come down to which team has the fewest number of "gray hairs" in their fanbase.

I'm going to have to look up where Incarnate comes from. 

[siouxweet]

2 hours ago, Wilbur said:

We got certain people that know FCS picking the Incarnates over the bizen.

Do the Incarnates stay within 10 points honestly? 

Do the Bison stay within 10

[SWSiouxMN]

2 hours ago, Wilbur said:

We got certain people that know FCS picking the Incarnates over the bizen.

Do the Incarnates stay within 10 points honestly? 

Believe in The Word my friend

[iramurphy]

4 hours ago, UND-FB-FAN said:

There’s always exceptions, but as a whole, the “gray hairs” aren’t doing enough. So, yes, fair criticism is warranted. By fair, I mean UND’s lack of compete ascension is certainly not entirely due to the gray hairs. There’s internal misdirection to thank for some of the issues. 

Well what a surprise. It seems you always find someone to blame. Now you have labeled a group based on the color of their hair, characterized them as “stagnant “ blamed them for “conservatism” and based on hair color they are responsible for “UND’s lack of complete ascension” (though not entirely “).  Of course as a board member of a multi million dollar business, and with your vast. experience having taken over failed businesses and turned them into Fortune 500 giants, all the time coaching 3 college sports to Championships you would know this. What about the red heads?  Are they also a big part of the problem?  I am curious as to what other than agree with your constant negative comments and firing everyone you want the gray hairs to do.  How about the ones with big noses?  Better yet big yabbas?  
I doubt you have the ability to understand how stupid your recent posts are. Most can understand why you want a coaching change whether they agree or not. This recent post tells a lot about where you are coming from. 

[Nodak78]

6 hours ago, SWSiouxMN said:

Believe in The Word my friend

SW you are not alone.  UIW is a scoring machine.  If they get a good lead the Bison may not be able to catch up.