2022 Football Season

[UND1983]

4 minutes ago, Irish said:

And that's the rub - a problem created by Chaves' bizarre decision to extend a 5-6 coach whose coaching that season could only charitably be described as sup-par.  

Chaves extended a 5-6 coach?  no sh*t huh.....

[UND-FB-FAN]

2 hours ago, jdub27 said:

What position would you look to give a guy who's been a grad assistant for 2 years and spent the rest of his career as an LB coach? Are we talking DC or HC? 
 

How do you think Stig changed from an average coach for a few decades to whatever you'd consider him now?
Do you really think Entz is a great head coach? Or was he born on 3rd base with the program he took over?

I think Entz and Stig both have had grossly superior coaching staffs compared to Bubba’s UND staff. The concern is coaching, but it definitely is a group effort. By no means are the shortcomings entirely on Bubba’s shoulders, but rather the entire staff. 
 

SDSU’s offensive coordinator from last year is now head coach at Idaho, which had a good season. Entz is a goofy individual, but has maintained the championship brand at NDSU. As much crap as Tyler Roehl and Hedberg get, including from their own fans, I think they do a mighty fine job. The results speak for themselves.  

[UND-FB-FAN]

2 hours ago, Sioux>Bison said:

Is Bubba the reason we don’t have that roster?

Bubba *AND* his entire staff, yes. Recruiting is only a start; coaching and development starts after the commitment. The coaching and development part is average, just as is the recruiting. Certainly not above average or championship level. 
 

*Now, I’ll admit, the essentially minimum wage that some of UND’s coaches are payed is an absolute barrier and a problem.

[UND-FB-FAN]

1 hour ago, Sioux>Bison said:

And UND is finally putting in some focus on football finally too so where is the difference?

and SDSU still has no national title 

UND’s focus on football? If it’s so important to them and they want to “put in a focus”, then they need to put their money where their mouth is. The coaching salary pool is abysmal. Now simply paying the coaches more won’t make them coach better (although it could with more resources), but it will allow for more qualified hires. 

[UND-FB-FAN]

1 hour ago, SooToo said:

Certainly room for improvement, and recruiting definitely open to criticism, but  it's difficult to fault defensive scheme or coaching decisions with such big swings in performance year-to-year. Looks more like a personnel issue: What/who changed for UND from 2021 to 2022?

 

It’s not just the scheme, so you’re right, but there is a coaching deficiency beyond that. The roster management at UND is awful.

Coaches recruit the players, and develop them not only physically but mentally. They are mentors, or not very good ones, depending on how they approach it. 

For UND, the personnel issues you suggest are certainly there, but it’s on the coaches to prevent those holes by recruiting and developing better players. How they approach the program and “patch holes” is a part of the job description. 
 

Bubba and his current staff are AVERAGE at running a division I college football program. 

[jdub27]

33 minutes ago, UND-FB-FAN said:

I think Entz and Stig both have had grossly superior coaching staffs compared to Bubba’s UND staff. The concern is coaching, but it definitely is a group effort. By no means are the shortcomings entirely on Bubba’s shoulders, but rather the entire staff. 
 

SDSU’s offensive coordinator from last year is now head coach at Idaho, which had a good season. Entz is a goofy individual, but has maintained the championship brand at NDSU. As much crap as Tyler Roehl and Hedberg get, including from their own fans, I think they do a mighty fine job. The results speak for themselves.  

 

22 minutes ago, UND-FB-FAN said:

It’s not just the scheme, so you’re right, but there is a coaching deficiency beyond that. The roster management at UND is awful.

Coaches recruit the players, and develop them not only physically but mentally. They are mentors, or not very good ones, depending on how they approach it. 

For UND, the personnel issues you suggest are certainly there, but it’s on the coaches to prevent those holes by recruiting and developing better players. How they approach the program and “patch holes” is a part of the job description. 
 

Bubba and his current staff are AVERAGE at running a division I college football program. 

 

Yet Bubba and his staff will a roster riddled with D2 players and terrible scheme to the playoffs?

I mean, not everything is duckies and bunnies, but you can't rail on absolutely everything being broken (athletic department, coaching staff, players, scheme, etc). Somehow they are getting "OK" results. That doesn't happen when nothing is good and everything is bad.

[UND-FB-FAN]

1 hour ago, jdub27 said:

 

 

Yet Bubba and his staff will a roster riddled with D2 players and terrible scheme to the playoffs?

I mean, not everything is duckies and bunnies, but you can't rail on absolutely everything being broken (athletic department, coaching staff, players, scheme, etc). Somehow they are getting "OK" results. That doesn't happen when nothing is good and everything is bad.

Oh c’mon. Please see above, which I wrote “Bubba and his current staff are AVERAGE at running a division I college football program. ”

[jdub27]

38 minutes ago, UND-FB-FAN said:

Oh c’mon. Please see above, which I wrote “Bubba and his current staff are AVERAGE at running a division I college football program. ”

Literally the most positive thing you've ever said about them. There are plenty of other comments where you've described them as anything but average.

[Oxbow6]

UND has no one on the first team All-conference MVFC team. How is Bo not first team All-MVC for starters?

[SuhakiYeahYeah]

9 minutes ago, Oxbow6 said:

UND has no one on the first team All-conference MVFC team. How is Bo not first team All-MVC for starters?

Because he plays for und and they prefer big names over actual performers.

[UNDBIZ]

12 minutes ago, Oxbow6 said:

UND has no one on the first team All-conference MVFC team. How is Bo not first team All-MVC for starters?

 

[UNDBIZ]

https://valley-football.org/news/2022/11/28/2022-missouri-valley-football-all-conference-teams.aspx

MVFC teams without a 1st team all conference player:

UND, that's it.

[SiouxHawkGuy]

Something stinks 

[geaux_sioux]

11 minutes ago, UNDBIZ said:

https://valley-football.org/news/2022/11/28/2022-missouri-valley-football-all-conference-teams.aspx

MVFC teams without a 1st team all conference player:

UND, that's it.

At some point we just need to say !@#$ everyone and be like the Raiders back in the day. Just win baby!

[UND-FB-FAN]

3 hours ago, geaux_sioux said:

At some point we just need to say !@#$ everyone and be like the Raiders back in the day. Just win baby!

Well that should’ve been well known a decade ago coming out of the nickname debacle! Also could’ve hired DeBoer! But here we are, just figuring it out now that we need to win for respect! 
 

UND can’t go around 0.500 every season and just expect everyone to just kiss their feet.

[Siouxperman8]

Bubba runner up to Stiegelmeier for MVFC coach of the year. 

[JohnboyND7]

2 hours ago, Oxbow6 said:

UND has no one on the first team All-conference MVFC team. How is Bo not first team All-MVC for starters?

two of the guys in front of him had more yards and touchdowns in fewer games.  The third guy played two fewer games, but their stats/game were nearly identical.  Maybe voters were giving him credit for doing it on a trash team in Terre Haute.  Who knows.  I'm guessing Bo will sleep just fine.

Total Stats:

Conference Only Stats (pretty neat lol):

 

[Oxbow6]

27 minutes ago, JohnboyND7 said:

two of the guys in front of him had more yards and touchdowns in fewer games.  The third guy played two fewer games, but their stats/game were nearly identical.  Maybe voters were giving him credit for doing it on a trash team in Terre Haute.  Who knows.  I'm guessing Bo will sleep just fine.

Total Stats:

Conference Only Stats (pretty neat lol):

 

Is it really that black and white???

[JohnboyND7]

13 minutes ago, Oxbow6 said:

Is it really that black and white???

I have zero idea what voters consider. I saw your post and figured I'd go look at the numbers on the MVFC website. The conference stat comparison was pretty funny to see though

[homer]

3 hours ago, UND-FB-FAN said:

Well that should’ve been well known a decade ago coming out of the nickname debacle! Also could’ve hired DeBoer! But here we are, just figuring it out now that we need to win for respect! 
 

UND can’t go around 0.500 every season and just expect everyone to just kiss their feet.

 But Western Illinois can…

[rochsioux]

4 hours ago, UNDBIZ said:

https://valley-football.org/news/2022/11/28/2022-missouri-valley-football-all-conference-teams.aspx

MVFC teams without a 1st team all conference player:

UND, that's it.

Obviously UND did not submit a high enough financial bid to get anyone on the first team. 

[SiouxBoys]

Just now, rochsioux said:

Obviously UND did not submit a high enough financial bid to get anyone on the first team. 

Chaves strikes again.

[The Sicatoka]

3 minutes ago, rochsioux said:

Obviously UND did not submit a high enough financial bid to get anyone on the first team. 

Oh no, that was last year’s criteria. This is based on … well, um, whatever crap they make up this time. 

[shep]

43 minutes ago, rochsioux said:

Obviously UND did not submit a high enough financial bid to get anyone on the first team. 

I'm surprised no one from Weber State made the first team.

[iramurphy]

12 hours ago, UND-FB-FAN said:

Credit to your initial anecdote providing some context to the winemaking theory. That was nice and insightful. There can be more to the story, no doubt, and perhaps Bubba is a championship-caliber coach who just has got a bad break at Duluth and now UND, without the appropriate support. But let’s be honest; that’s wishful thinking and unlikely. 
 

Your opinion is valued, just like everyone’s is. However, interestingly, your smoke and mirror posts continue to cover up a glowing issue. “Our debates won’t be part of those decisions”. So, you’re saying that our opinions (this forum likely has some of the most loyal fans/alumni on it, but we’re perhaps a bit too outspoken. Well, after all, that’s the point of this forum!) won’t be valued. Perhaps the suit coats at UND should value our opinions. The University of North Dakota is a public institution. Albeit I admit it has to occur via different channels than an online forum, obviously. There are several well-educated folks that support UND that have *chosen* to not pursue athletic department leadership, not the other way around. 
 

We understand that your opinion is that Bubba has put together a strong staff and Bubba is a strong coach. We understand that he recruits Detroit Lakes and you are satisfied with the recruiting efforts.

I respectfully disagree that he is a “strong coach”. He is an average division I coach. The programs at NDSU and SDSU are currently superior. Change will need to be made for UND to supplant these programs. Again, smoke and mirrors to move the conversation away from coaching is a fine tactic, and your opinion is valued, but I don’t agree with it. From an odds perspective, you are right: UND won’t terminate Bubba. It’s not because it’s wrong to terminate him, but rather that UND’s athletic department is financially conservative and does not want to be a national player in football. They have hockey for that. 
 

We all will carry on. You have accepted that, and support what you can. That is fine. Others, on this forum, still cling to a pipe dream that one day UND can win another national championship in football. I do as well, and for the time being, will support UND in that quest. But, my opinion is that level of accomplishment will require a change in current football leadership. 

Again, carry on. Happy Holidays. 

My comments about Charles Shaw didn’t include anything about Bubba. I said Bubba put together a strong staff I didn’t say he was a strong coach. I said I thought Bubba and staff had done a good job recruiting. I didn’t say I was satisfied and I didn’t mention Detroit Lakes. In fact I said we need to get better. Bubba doesn’t recruit DL by the way. DL is assigned to one of the assistants. 
There is nothing “ smoke and mirrors “ about my comments regarding that our comments on SS.com won’t be part of the discussion regarding coaching decisions. Bubba just got an extension and they got to the playoffs. Decision makers don’t rely on fan web sites to make decisions. Do any of us have the credentials that would bring us to that table?  
I assume we all want UND to be successful. That means top tier FCS team year in and year out. To me, it also means preparing for an FBS move if that is in our best interest. Until change occurs, then clamoring about changing coaches is fruitless. That isn’t “smoke and mirrors”. I wasn’t happy with this season either but focus now needs to develop and improve the players we have and continue to recruit the best talent available. Our coaches and players need to get better and our fans need to get better. I think we have the nucleus with these players and this staff to improve. Hopefully, we can hang on to our commits and bring in some additional talent to compete at the top FCS level.