2020 Dumpster Fire (Enter at your own risk)

[Nodak78]

14 minutes ago, Hayduke1 said:

Who, pray tell, do you believe are "normal people"?  Seems like more coded language. 

This ought to be interesting... 

Normal people know if they are normal.  If you ask the question, sorry.

[UNDlaw80]

4 minutes ago, Yote 53 said:

So basically we're back to the virus being about as deadly as the flu.  IMO, the only numbers that count are hospitalizations and deaths.  The more positive tests without health issues the better because that simply means the virus is not as deadly.  That's a good thing, people.  I hope those lines tracking positive cases and deaths continue to diverge at a rapid rate.

Set the COVID pandemic aside, what happened the last two nights in NYC was a sh*tshow embarrassment (pretty much the entire last month+ has been a circus).  The F-ing looney bin whacks are taking over the country and the Democrat run city governments are doing nothing to restore order.  In fact, they are appeasing the mob by defunding police departments and slashing budgets.  It is Democrats doing this and Democrat "leaders" like AOC are calling for more cuts to the PD.  Normal people are watching this circus and will in no way vote for the Democrats even though many of us believe Trump is an embarrassment.  You won't see us put up Trump yard signs or slapping on bumper stickers because we don't want to have our property vandalized.  We won't answer a poll saying we'll vote for Trump because being outed as a Trump voter is just not worth the harassment.  What will happen is like what happened last time, we'll go to the polls where it is private, hold our noses, and vote for Trump again because the alternative is a party that has been hijacked by whack jobs.

Hopefully by 2024 we've come to our senses and a new Populist party is formed of people from the center of both the Democratic and Republican parties and we can get rid of the whackos on both fringes.

 

No chance.  The people of the center (both left and right) will, first and foremost, vote establishment given the option.     It's the populist movement that's responsible for the wacko fringe elements gaining influence.  See Tea Party/Trumpism on the right, Sanders supporters on the left.    

[Walsh Hall]

7 minutes ago, Hayduke1 said:

Who, pray tell, do you believe are "normal people"?  Seems like more coded language. 

This ought to be interesting... 

The "normal" people are the 80-90% of people that think that Trump is a complete buffoon, that Biden is losing his marbles, and that the fringe on the left and right are outright dangerous.  Unfortunately to get the (D) nomination they needed to move so far left it's nuts.  The political consensus is that the absolute best thing Biden can do is hide and say absolutely nothing.  That's pretty telling about the status of the candidates.

Just as with Hillary, it shows how awful the (D) candidate is that the 2016 and 2020 elections are/were even in doubt.  

Any moderate and coherent candidate would be fantastic, too bad their isn't one.

[Hayduke1]

7 minutes ago, Nodak78 said:

Normal people know if they are normal.  If you ask the question, sorry.

So, like you? 

That's funny. 

[Gma loves hockey]

Maybe it would have been better if Dr Ben Carson was in office- someone with medical knowledge to help direct with the Corona virus, and if he disagreed with someone who has skin pigment it would be because he disagreed-not because he is "racist".   The old catch two birds with one stone adage.

 

[homer]

1 hour ago, UNDlaw80 said:

 

You realize this is option #1 in Trumps playbook, right?   Never in the history of our country has a President ridiculed people like Trump has.  

OK I get it....people are attracted to the fight in him, especially when it's aimed at the 'lib-tards'.   He’s the perfect showman who gives his supporters the performance they want in today's reality TV world mentality.  But underneath all the bluster there's very little content.  Sure, he can ride that wave when things are going well.  But in difficult times such as these his incompetence is glaring.  The act doesn't work.            

 

 

 

 

My first thought is this is good right?

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2020/07/01/health/remdesivir-drug-supply-us-intl/index.html

[MrEdway]

2 hours ago, Hayduke1 said:

reliable media sources

LMFAO.

[The Sicatoka]

On 7/1/2020 at 12:18 PM, Goon said:

Interesting. 

 

"New cases" data makes for good headlines. 

The important data is hospitalizations ("Collapse the system!") and deaths. 

The blue line is a good thing under the assumption that once you've had it you can not catch it again; the blue line minus the orange (?) line is the herd immunity growth line. 

[The Sicatoka]

2 hours ago, Hayduke1 said:

... reliable media sources ... 

Sadly, of late, that gets filed alongside:

jumbo shrimp
civil engineer
paid volunteer

[wxman91]

 

17 hours ago, Nodak78 said:

Grew the GDP.  Grew employment until Covid and Dem(Marxist) protests.  

GDP growth for Trump in calendar 2018 and 2019 (before COVID) was 2.4%.  If you go back to the start of his term, it averages 2.5%

GDP growth in Obama's 2nd term averaged 2.4%.

The Employment-Population Ratio for those aged 25-54 (one of the better indicators) under the last three years of Obama increased from 76.1% to 78.1% (up 2.0%).

The same ratio under three years of Trump has gone up from 78.1% to 80.4% (up 2.3%).

So, a massive tax cut resulted in almost no extra GDP growth and minimal additional job growth.

16 hours ago, homer said:

Average household income was up.  Unemployment was down and if you didn’t make money in the stock market the last 3 years, it’s your own fault.  If you didn’t have a high school degree, there is still plenty of opportunity to make $18-$20 per hour in construction jobs.  Money to be made the last 3 years if you wanted.  Still lots of construction going on right now.  

50% of American households don't have stock holdings.

Household income growth was up from 2.7% in Obama's final year to 3.1% last year.  That is good.  But it is also to be expected in a continued tightening labor market.  You won't want to hear this, but the same thing would have happened under Hillary.

 

The fact is that the economy under Obama matches up well against the economy under Trump, but Trump's bravado was able to shift the conversation to a "booming" economy.  The real "fake news" is that it is his efforts that have resulted in a better economy (at least until COVID), rather than the natural economic cycle after a debt-induced near-depression.

[homer]

1 minute ago, wxman91 said:

 

GDP growth for Trump in calendar 2018 and 2019 (before COVID) was 2.4%.  If you go back to the start of his term, it averages 2.5%

GDP growth in Obama's 2nd term averaged 2.4%.

The Employment-Population Ratio for those aged 25-54 (one of the better indicators) under the last three years of Obama increased from 76.1% to 78.1% (up 2.0%).

The same ratio under three years of Trump has gone up from 78.1% to 80.4% (up 2.3%).

So, a massive tax cut resulted in almost no extra GDP growth and minimal additional job growth.

50% of American households don't have stock holdings.

Household income growth was up from 2.7% in Obama's final year to 3.1% last year.  That is good.  But it is also to be expected in a continued tightening labor market.  You won't want to hear this, but the same thing would have happened under Hillary.

 

The fact is that the economy under Obama matches up well against the economy under Trump, but Trump's bravado was able to shift the conversation to a "booming" economy.  The real "fake news" is that it is his efforts that have resulted in a better economy (at least until COVID), rather than the natural economic cycle after a debt-induced near-depression.

I’m fairly confident it would not have happened under Hillary and neither of us has any way to prove otherwise.  I’m only basing that off the further regulation she or the Democratic Party would have put on certain industries that had really strong last 3 years.  They are scared to death of further regulation and further price increases of what they need to do their jobs.  Money they cannot charge more to recoup.  

[Redneksioux]

28 minutes ago, The Sicatoka said:

"New cases" data makes for good headlines. 

The important data is hospitalizations ("Collapse the system!") and deaths. 

The blue line is a good thing under the assumption that once you've had it you can not catch it again; the blue line minus the orange (?) line is the herd immunity growth line. 

Can you point us to a reliable media source reporting that once you have coronavirus you cannot become infected again?

[homer]

4 minutes ago, wxman91 said:

 

GDP growth for Trump in calendar 2018 and 2019 (before COVID) was 2.4%.  If you go back to the start of his term, it averages 2.5%

GDP growth in Obama's 2nd term averaged 2.4%.

The Employment-Population Ratio for those aged 25-54 (one of the better indicators) under the last three years of Obama increased from 76.1% to 78.1% (up 2.0%).

The same ratio under three years of Trump has gone up from 78.1% to 80.4% (up 2.3%).

So, a massive tax cut resulted in almost no extra GDP growth and minimal additional job growth.

50% of American households don't have stock holdings.

Household income growth was up from 2.7% in Obama's final year to 3.1% last year.  That is good.  But it is also to be expected in a continued tightening labor market.  You won't want to hear this, but the same thing would have happened under Hillary.

 

The fact is that the economy under Obama matches up well against the economy under Trump, but Trump's bravado was able to shift the conversation to a "booming" economy.  The real "fake news" is that it is his efforts that have resulted in a better economy (at least until COVID), rather than the natural economic cycle after a debt-induced near-depression.

To add: how much of that 50% is due to choosing not to invest vs not being able to?  Also, there is a very large percentage of young people who choose not to invest in stocks but choose real estate or precious metals.  Both of those would be doing very well now as well.    

[Nodak78]

16 minutes ago, wxman91 said:

 

GDP growth for Trump in calendar 2018 and 2019 (before COVID) was 2.4%.  If you go back to the start of his term, it averages 2.5%

GDP growth in Obama's 2nd term averaged 2.4%.

The Employment-Population Ratio for those aged 25-54 (one of the better indicators) under the last three years of Obama increased from 76.1% to 78.1% (up 2.0%).

The same ratio under three years of Trump has gone up from 78.1% to 80.4% (up 2.3%).

So, a massive tax cut resulted in almost no extra GDP growth and minimal additional job growth.

50% of American households don't have stock holdings.

Household income growth was up from 2.7% in Obama's final year to 3.1% last year.  That is good.  But it is also to be expected in a continued tightening labor market.  You won't want to hear this, but the same thing would have happened under Hillary.

 

The fact is that the economy under Obama matches up well against the economy under Trump, but Trump's bravado was able to shift the conversation to a "booming" economy.  The real "fake news" is that it is his efforts that have resulted in a better economy (at least until COVID), rather than the natural economic cycle after a debt-induced near-depression.

Obama GDP was on a low base.  Trump was on a high base.  Much much different.

[Hayduke1]

24 minutes ago, wxman91 said:

 

GDP growth for Trump in calendar 2018 and 2019 (before COVID) was 2.4%.  If you go back to the start of his term, it averages 2.5%

GDP growth in Obama's 2nd term averaged 2.4%.

The Employment-Population Ratio for those aged 25-54 (one of the better indicators) under the last three years of Obama increased from 76.1% to 78.1% (up 2.0%).

The same ratio under three years of Trump has gone up from 78.1% to 80.4% (up 2.3%).

So, a massive tax cut resulted in almost no extra GDP growth and minimal additional job growth.

50% of American households don't have stock holdings.

Household income growth was up from 2.7% in Obama's final year to 3.1% last year.  That is good.  But it is also to be expected in a continued tightening labor market.  You won't want to hear this, but the same thing would have happened under Hillary.

 

The fact is that the economy under Obama matches up well against the economy under Trump, but Trump's bravado was able to shift the conversation to a "booming" economy.  The real "fake news" is that it is his efforts that have resulted in a better economy (at least until COVID), rather than the natural economic cycle after a debt-induced near-depression.

Facts and reasonable arguments aren't sitting well with these folks.  

Thank God they know hockey or this website would be worthless. 

[petey23]

5 hours ago, Hayduke1 said:

I see. 

So, by denying the authenticity of reliable media sources you feel entitled to keep your head buried either in the sand or in an orifice conveniently located about three feet away.

Well, good luck with that.  

I don't think you understand the meaning of the word reliable.

This isn't the 1950's or even the 1970's  where you could pick up a newspaper and read an actual accounting of something that happened.

 

[mikejm]

3 hours ago, The Sicatoka said:

"New cases" data makes for good headlines. 

The important data is hospitalizations ("Collapse the system!") and deaths. 

The blue line is a good thing under the assumption that once you've had it you can not catch it again; the blue line minus the orange (?) line is the herd immunity growth line. 

A close friend of mine is head of emergency response in Texas. He told me early this week ICU beds are filling up very quickly. Some suburban Houston hospitals are already full. My SO is a regional executive with a national healthcare provider. They are very worried their Arizona ICU beds will be overwhelmed within days.

This is all because of the push to re-open. Look at the deflection points on your graph.

[UND1983]

8 minutes ago, mikejm said:

A close friend of mine is head of emergency response in Texas. He told me early this week ICU beds are filling up very quickly. Some suburban Houston hospitals are already full. My SO is a regional executive with a national healthcare provider. They are very worried their Arizona ICU beds will be overwhelmed within days.

This is all because of the push to re-open. Look at the deflection points on your graph.

Go check last years ICU capacity at this time.  Hint: It's always like that.  You guys are getting played by fearporn, which is obviously working.

[wxman91]

2 hours ago, Nodak78 said:

Obama GDP was on a low base.  Trump was on a high base.  Much much different.

I purposely didn’t start from 2009 to not be intellectually dishonest.  This argument doesn’t really hold for GDP.  It could potentially be used for E/P ratio if we were closer to the long term average peak, but we weren’t.

Putting it a different way, the projections from the current administration about GDP growth was that it would bring sustained growth in the 3-4% level and Trump and his surrogates often hinted at 5%+.  By this metric, the tax cuts have certainly failed.

[wxman91]

3 hours ago, homer said:

To add: how much of that 50% is due to choosing not to invest vs not being able to?  Also, there is a very large percentage of young people who choose not to invest in stocks but choose real estate or precious metals.  Both of those would be doing very well now as well.    

It isn’t hard to find data out there that shows that half of Americans don’t have retirement accounts and a majority couldn’t cover $1000 from savings.  I don’t know where you are getting this “large percentage” of young people from, but it doesn’t align with the data.

By the way, go check out the data on Household Wealth by race and let me know what you think about that.

[homer]

32 minutes ago, wxman91 said:

It isn’t hard to find data out there that shows that half of Americans don’t have retirement accounts and a majority couldn’t cover $1000 from savings.  I don’t know where you are getting this “large percentage” of young people from, but it doesn’t align with the data.

By the way, go check out the data on Household Wealth by race and let me know what you think about that.

Data is  also out there to show more people under the age of 35 don’t invest in stocks vs physical investments.  It’s been that way since the crash in 2008.   You can find that just as easily.  

I don’t care about people’s savings accounts.  In some (not all) cases it’s a choice.  Right now in Fargo construction companies will pay a warm body regardless of color $18/ hr.  60+ hour weeks.  Do the math.  Good money and it’s everywhere right now.   

[homer]

1 hour ago, mikejm said:

A close friend of mine is head of emergency response in Texas. He told me early this week ICU beds are filling up very quickly. Some suburban Houston hospitals are already full. My SO is a regional executive with a national healthcare provider. They are very worried their Arizona ICU beds will be overwhelmed within days.

This is all because of the push to re-open. Look at the deflection points on your graph.

Don’t forget the riots/protests.  

[UNDlaw80]

Wow.  Masks now mandatory in Texas.  

[mikejm]

1 hour ago, UND1983 said:

Go check last years ICU capacity at this time.  Hint: It's always like that.  You guys are getting played by fearporn, which is obviously working.

No one is "playing" anyone: these are first-person reports from front-line healthcare professionals.
The fact is, we relaxed restrictions too soon, and idiots walking around without masks or partying like it is spring break are kicking infections into overdrive.

And according to contact tracing in Colorado, NOT ONE covid infection is the result of protests, peaceful or otherwise. 

[SiouxBoys]

1 minute ago, mikejm said:

No one is "playing" anyone: these are first-person reports from front-line healthcare professionals.
The fact is, we relaxed restrictions too soon, and idiots walking around without masks or partying like it is spring break are kicking infections into overdrive.

And according to contact tracing in Colorado, NOT ONE covid infection is the result of protests, peaceful or otherwise. 

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha…….

 

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