petey23 Posted June 2, 2020 Posted June 2, 2020 5 minutes ago, SiouxBoys said: Don't worry. Come November you'll have a chance to vote for the guy who was with him for eight years as he promises you change and how things will be different. Biden is gonna get done in the first 100 days what he couldn't get done or even try to get done in his over 16000 days in DC while people try and manage his dementia.
Vegas_Sioux Posted June 2, 2020 Posted June 2, 2020 1 hour ago, SIOUXFAN97 said: wonder what would happen is the MSM highlighted how GF handled the last week? the procession for Holte was beautiful. first responders from twin valley, lisbon, fargo, shelly....... They’d be disappointed in how grand forks handled it, I mean they didn’t storm the hospital or jail demanding the suspect. 1
UNDlaw80 Posted June 2, 2020 Posted June 2, 2020 41 minutes ago, SiouxBoys said: Don't worry. Come November you'll have a chance to vote for the guy who was with him for eight years as he promises you change and how things will be different. It's my opinion that true racial justice won't come from any politician (left or right). It's too ingrained. However change WILL occur when America's demographics shift. Like it or not, it's gonna happen. A lot in white America are scared $hitless of this eventuality because the notion of what 'traditional cultural America' is will be flipped upside down. White privilege will cease to exist. ...but until that time, in my opinion, politicians have the duty to pave the way for justice, or at least not make the situation worse. This is certainly not occurring at the highest level right now. -100k coronavirus dead; 1 in 4 Americans unemployed; the economy in the toilet; race riots in the streets; cities on fire.......and Trump hiding in a bunker after-which he does a photo op with a bible in the air. Is America Great Again yet? Is this seriously the America you guys want? Or is everything fine and dandy as long as the 'slowflakes' are owned. 1
yzerman19 Posted June 2, 2020 Posted June 2, 2020 23 minutes ago, UNDlaw80 said: It's my opinion that true racial justice won't come from any politician (left or right). It's too ingrained. However change WILL occur when America's demographics shift. Like it or not, it's gonna happen. A lot in white America are scared $hitless of this eventuality because the notion of what 'traditional cultural America' is will be flipped upside down. White privilege will cease to exist. I don’t know if white America is scared, but I do agree that the death of the boomer generation will advance equality.
planet2county Posted June 2, 2020 Posted June 2, 2020 A start https://www.twincities.com/2020/06/02/mn-human-rights-department-files-civil-rights-charge-against-minneapolis-pd /https://www.twincities.com/2020/06/02/87-fires-in-5-days-in-twin-cities-task-force-formed-to-track-down-arsonists/
yzerman19 Posted June 2, 2020 Posted June 2, 2020 1 minute ago, UNDlaw80 said: ...but until that time, in my opinion, politicians have the duty to pave the way for justice, or at least not make the situation worse. This is certainly not occurring at the highest level right now. -100k coronavirus dead; 1 in 4 Americans unemployed; the economy in the toilet; race riots in the streets; cities on fire.......and Trump hiding in a bunker after-which he does a photo op with a bible in the air. Is America Great Again yet? Is this seriously the America you guys want? Or is everything fine and dandy as long as the 'slowflakes' are owned. It almost feels orchestrated how things were just kinda coasting along, then bang, bang the whole underbelly exposed.
SiouxBoys Posted June 2, 2020 Posted June 2, 2020 4 minutes ago, UNDlaw80 said: ...but until that time, in my opinion, politicians have the duty to pave the way for justice, or at least not make the situation worse. This is certainly not occurring at the highest level right now. -100k coronavirus dead; 1 in 4 Americans unemployed; the economy in the toilet; race riots in the streets; cities on fire.......and Trump hiding in a bunker after-which he does a photo op with a bible in the air. Is America Great Again yet? Is this seriously the America you guys want? Or is everything fine and dandy as long as the 'slowflakes' are owned. It's just all a coincidence, isn't it? Country was doing quite well. So well that Trump was going to cake walk his way to a second term. And then boom. !@#$ hits the fan. Just all one big coincidence. Nothing to see here. 2
Oxbow6 Posted June 3, 2020 Posted June 3, 2020 Cody Holte was honored today as a true hero. Cody was white. The individual who killed him was not. Anyone expect protests, riots and looting in the downtown streets of GF any time soon over this senseless killing? 2
UNDlaw80 Posted June 3, 2020 Posted June 3, 2020 58 minutes ago, yzerman19 said: It almost feels orchestrated how things were just kinda coasting along, then bang, bang the whole underbelly exposed. It certainly happened quickly. But remember, even before coronavirus this country was walking on egg-shells with division. Obviously division has always existed, and it has bubbled up more explicitly at times. But never, ever, have we had President whose platform was built on exploiting division to the extent Trump does. Look at his rallies. There is not 1 single unifying word coming out of his mouth....“us against them” and “he's a loser” reality TV show mentality. He set the tone, and now our entire country (left and right) is following this method and has become a joke. Politics aside, Reagan, Bush, Clinton, GWB, Obama all had the decency to not utterly demonize the segment of America that didn't agree with them. Trump doesn't do this, he does the opposite. I can understand how it may be appealing to some, but it doesn't work if you're job is to represent every citizen. I’m not surprised in the slightest this country is on fire. You elect a divisive clown, expect a circus. 3 3
dynato Posted June 3, 2020 Posted June 3, 2020 Just now, Oxbow6 said: Cody Holte was honored today as a true hero. Cody was white. The individual who killed him was not. Anyone expect riots and looting in the downtown streets of GF any time soon? I would fully expect riots if the city decided to wait for a few days and not immediately apprehend the murderer, especially if his death was live streamed to the world for all to see.
UND1983 Posted June 3, 2020 Posted June 3, 2020 24 minutes ago, dynato said: I would fully expect riots if the city decided to wait for a few days and not immediately apprehend the murderer, especially if his death was live streamed to the world for all to see. Uh, the guy shot multiple people and was apprehended after doing it, like immediately while the gun was still smoking. The Minneapolis cop situation was a bit more complex than that. Even you can admit that, right?
bison73 Posted June 3, 2020 Posted June 3, 2020 3 hours ago, SiouxScore said: Never driven a semi have no idea how long it takes. I knew he was on the highway legally before they announced the closing and said that in my posts. Still doesn't mean he couldn't have exited off, there was like 2 hours between when they announced they'd be closing the interstate at 5 and when the incident happened. Maybe he did his best to slow down and he certainly did lay on the horn. There was no way he had slowed down to 30 by the time he got to the front of that crowd though. Watching cell phone video he was way over 30 when you saw those protesters diving out of the way. No matter the intent or lack thereof it was a scary situation and thankfully disaster seems to have been avoided. What makes you think he knew what was going on in Minny at the time? Watching the news while he was driving? I listen to Sirrus . There is no news. 1
dynato Posted June 3, 2020 Posted June 3, 2020 3 minutes ago, UND1983 said: Uh, the guy shot multiple people and was apprehended after doing it, like immediately while the gun was still smoking. The Minneapolis cop situation was a bit more complex than that. Even you can admit that, right? Define complexity. Both individuals were murdered in broad daylight. In one of these murders, justice was served immediately and the community could move on to recovering. The other murder was live streamed and resulted in widespread riots because the murderers were protected instead of being apprehended and held accountable in urgent fashion. Reminder: I am not the one trying to stretch the situation, draw parallels, and use an officers death to favor my narrative.
homer Posted June 3, 2020 Posted June 3, 2020 2 hours ago, UNDlaw80 said: It's my opinion that true racial justice won't come from any politician (left or right). It's too ingrained. However change WILL occur when America's demographics shift. Like it or not, it's gonna happen. A lot in white America are scared $hitless of this eventuality because the notion of what 'traditional cultural America' is will be flipped upside down. White privilege will cease to exist. ...but until that time, in my opinion, politicians have the duty to pave the way for justice, or at least not make the situation worse. This is certainly not occurring at the highest level right now. -100k coronavirus dead; 1 in 4 Americans unemployed; the economy in the toilet; race riots in the streets; cities on fire.......and Trump hiding in a bunker after-which he does a photo op with a bible in the air. Is America Great Again yet? Is this seriously the America you guys want? Or is everything fine and dandy as long as the 'slowflakes' are owned. I don’t agree that any race is scared. Just cause you suggest it doesn’t make it true. I think most would welcome all the issues facing urban areas to disappear when the demographics flip like you suggest. 1
Siouxphan27 Posted June 3, 2020 Posted June 3, 2020 1 hour ago, dynato said: I would fully expect riots if the city decided to wait for a few days and not immediately apprehend the murderer, especially if his death was live streamed to the world for all to see. The Floyd situation isn’t anywhere near as black and white (pardon the pun) as the Grand Forks shooting. Going by the letter of the law, proving beyond a reasonable doubt the charge of murder by the cop is going to be difficult to prove. At which point the riot to end all riots will probably commence.
Frozen4sioux Posted June 3, 2020 Posted June 3, 2020 1 minute ago, homer said: I don’t agree that any race is scared. Just cause you suggest it doesn’t make it true. I think most would welcome all the issues facing urban areas to disappear when the demographics flip like you suggest. This. This is the problem, it wasn't taught by parents to kids, it wasn't taught in school. In fact the opposite was, their special little opinions matter, no matter the lack of validity, this attitude also makes them vulnerable to others insane incorrect suggestions. 2
The Sicatoka Posted June 3, 2020 Posted June 3, 2020 Justice takes time. And patience. And fortitude. And belief. Sadly we live in a world of immediate gratification, where violence is confused with strength, and moral ambiguity is lauded. What the Minneapolis cop did was wrong. Harming others by mayhem is wrong.
Frozen4sioux Posted June 3, 2020 Posted June 3, 2020 3 minutes ago, Frozen4sioux said: This. This is the problem, it wasn't taught by parents to kids, it wasn't taught in school. In fact the opposite was, their special little opinions matter, no matter the lack of validity, this attitude also makes them vulnerable to others insane incorrect suggestions. Holy crap and not 20 seconds after I post this, the idiocracy is demonstrated by a tweet...... Point. Validated "Dozens of public health and disease experts have signed an open letter in support of the nationwide anti-racism protests. "White supremacy is a lethal public health issue that predates and contributes to COVID-19," they wrote. https://t.co/EewPNgDSu3 "
The Sicatoka Posted June 3, 2020 Posted June 3, 2020 My fear is they overcharge the cop and he is acquitted. They can prove murder three easily. 1
Cratter Posted June 3, 2020 Posted June 3, 2020 Some Governors saying it's ok to protest for things they like during coronavirus but not ok to gather for things they dont like like church. Who knew it was ok to kill grandma in some instances. 2
Cratter Posted June 3, 2020 Posted June 3, 2020 Media is mad they can no longer blame any "future spikes" on people eating indoors.
UND1983 Posted June 3, 2020 Posted June 3, 2020 1 hour ago, dynato said: Define complexity. Both individuals were murdered in broad daylight. In one of these murders, justice was served immediately and the community could move on to recovering. The other murder was live streamed and resulted in widespread riots because the murderers were protected instead of being apprehended and held accountable in urgent fashion. Reminder: I am not the one trying to stretch the situation, draw parallels, and use an officers death to favor my narrative. It took them 1.5 days to charge the shooter in GF. It took 4 days to charge the police officer, who is obviously extended a greater benefit of the doubt due to his position and the unknowns of what led up to it.
Sioux>Bison Posted June 3, 2020 Posted June 3, 2020 10 hours ago, 802Sioux said: In the case of policing issues. If civil forfeiture continues the money taken goes to schools and drug rehab not police hardware. If a person is fired from a department for cause there is a board similar to that for nurses where they are forced to register so they can’t be rehired. All civilian complaints must be considered when reviewing any current case so patterns can emerge. Co workers viewing the violence should be considered as participating in the same way driving the get away car for a killer makes you guilty. Brutality settlements should be made from police union and retirement accounts. Retaliating for reporting any abuse should be a felony with real time behind it. The limits on their immunity should be severely curtailed Good luck getting that past the police unions! Democrats are the ones who are protecting the unions....... 1
dynato Posted June 3, 2020 Posted June 3, 2020 57 minutes ago, Siouxphan27 said: The Floyd situation isn’t anywhere near as black and white (pardon the pun) as the Grand Forks shooting. Going by the letter of the law, proving beyond a reasonable doubt the charge of murder by the cop is going to be difficult to prove. At which point the riot to end all riots will probably commence. If you know the law, you know there are multiple levels of murder in MN: first, second, and third degrees. There are also several levels of manslaughter, which rely less on intent and more on if the death happened under your control. Third degree murder is the killing of an individual, without premeditation, without intent to kill, while acting without regard for human life. This is the one that will most likely be pursued. Floyd was clearly killed by an individual. The cop clearly acted without regard for human life. Floyd was killed without premeditation. So first degree murder is thrown out. Clear intent to kill will decide whether second or third degree is pursued, which is incredibly difficult to prove beyond reasonable doubt as you said. There is video evidence that shows bystanders and the victim warning the officer of his questionable actions leading to his own death. The cop made the conscious decision to ignore warning, continuing his actions, which in the eyes of the law can be seen as a change from negligence to willful intent to kill. Ultimately it is up to the prosecuting party to confidently prove their case. Final verdict will likely depend on how good the guys lawyer is and if he enters a plea deal or not. 33 minutes ago, UND1983 said: It took them 1.5 days to charge the shooter in GF. It took 4 days to charge the police officer, who is obviously extended a greater benefit of the doubt due to his position and the unknowns of what led up to it. Saying it took only 4 days undermines the massive effort needed to put pressure on an unjust system in order for equal action to be taken against the officer. It took historic levels of widespread protests across nearly every state. Protests that extended into rioting and looting as a result of something so simple as holding four people who were bad at their job accountable for their actions. Despite being aware of being recorded, the officers lied on official reports. Revealing this systematic lie to the world was the catalyst for what we are now experiencing. If the cops were treated as normal citizens, they would have been arrested and charged promptly for causing a mans death. They would not be given several days or the benefit of the doubt considering they lied about the event that took place, with quick video and witness evidence to prove it. Cops are typically held to the same, if not stricter standards than every day citizens due to their training and position of power. This should be no different. If the authoritative, life ending power of the police wasn't so present and feared in their community, bystanders could have been able to prevent the cop from killing a fellow citizen.
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