Time to Boo Berry?

[brianvf]

4 minutes ago, MafiaMan said:

But Michigan’s 25 straight winning seasons trumps North Dakota’s 21, amiright?

These pretzels are making me thirsty.

[MafiaMan]

3 minutes ago, brianvf said:

These pretzels are making me thirsty.

C’mon, that was funny.  

[1966guy]

1 hour ago, Irish said:

I don't see anyone who is not safe - remember, this is the AD who extended the 5-6 Bubba after one of the worst season of coaching calls I have ever seen.  

 

I'm talking about safe with this fickle fan base not the A D.  

[tnt]

1 hour ago, Dustin said:

Ok, maybe you've convinced me.  Maybe not.  If being really dominant for a couple of eras with a huge gap between eras is what you like, I definitely see your point.  I am not going to argue that Michigan isn't one of college hockey's top-tier programs.

My approach is to the argument is similar to yours, but slightly more inclusive of other successes.  I also weigh time between titles, championship game appearances,  conference titles (both regular and tournament) as marks of consistent success.

The most puzzling part of your argument, to me, was: "Michigan may not have won an NCAA title but they have been pretty damn consistent since winning theirs."  Let's see.  Since 1998:

National Championships:  UND 2, Michigan 0

National Championship game appearances: UND 4, Michigan 1

Frozen Fours: UND 10, Michigan 7

NCAA appearances: UND 20, Michigan 18

Conference Regular Season titles: UND 10, Michigan 6

Conference Tournament titles: Michigan 8, UND 6

 

Both teams have been very consistent, no doubt.  I still like UND's resume better.  But that's just me.

And until recent Big Ten success and when they used to be in the WCHA Michigan hasn't had the same league grind to get into the national tournament.  Some of the old CCHA teams they used to face haven't exactly been ripping up the NCHC. 

[fightingsioux4life]

50 minutes ago, 90siouxfan said:

Oh gosh, hope this doesn't mean you are rescinding your endowment to the program.   Please reconsider,  we will be in dire straights without your support.

#biteme

[stoneySIOUX]

17 minutes ago, MafiaMan said:

But Michigan’s 25 straight winning seasons trumps North Dakota’s 21, amiright?

9 minutes ago, MafiaMan said:

C’mon, that was funny.  

I desperately want this convo to end, but yes, this made me LOL

[stoneySIOUX]

Just now, fightingsioux4life said:

#biteme

Glad you're rolling with the assigned bit  good on you, brother. We need consistency here! #

[90siouxfan]

Just now, fightingsioux4life said:

#biteme

lol, third grade was awesome for me too, we has "I know you are, but what am I?"...   fun stuff, those were the days.

[fightingsioux4life]

Just now, stoneySIOUX said:

Glad you're rolling with the assigned bit  good on you, brother. We need consistency here! #

That is how I respond to snotty little comments that add nothing to the discussion.

[siouxkid12]

57 minutes ago, brianvf said:

Haha, yes.
The rest of my post still stands.

Michigan won their first 6 titles before UND won their first in 1959.
So, since 1959, Michigan has won 3 titles and UND has won 8.
And, if we're looking at consistency...
UND's longest stretches without making the NCAA tourney was 10 years (69-78) and 6 years (91-96).
Michigan's longest stretches without making the NCAA's was 12 years (65-76) and 14 years (78-90).

So...once again, if we’re comparing these two programs over the last 10/20/30/40 years, I’d take UND every time. 

Again, you are moving the goalpost to fit your narrative. You asked how many of those numbers were done before UND had a program going and the answer is zero. Now you move the goal post to say how many were won before UND won their title? 
There was never any mention about time frames, the original question was all about both program's overall history. 

 

[siouxweet]

This thread will be going strong either Friday at about 10 or Sat around 9:30.  This team needs to win back to back games against 2 very good teams, something it hasn't done ALL year.  What makes anyone think they will do it against SCSU and Denver??

[brianvf]

9 minutes ago, siouxkid12 said:

Again, you are moving the goalpost to fit your narrative. You asked how many of those numbers were done before UND had a program going and the answer is zero. Now you move the goal post to say how many were won before UND won their title? 
There was never any mention about time frames, the original question was all about both program's overall history. 

Sweet bejesus. Alrighty. 
I prefer UND’s overall history. You like Michigan. No worries! 

[MafiaMan]

8 minutes ago, siouxweet said:

This thread will be going strong either Friday at about 10 or Sat around 9:30.  This team needs to win back to back games against 2 very good teams, something it hasn't done ALL year.  What makes anyone think they will do it against SCSU and Denver??

SCSU is ripe for the picking and Denver will be playing not to get hurt on Saturday.  I’m sayin’ there’s a chance.  

[Sweethockey]

11 minutes ago, siouxweet said:

This thread will be going strong either Friday at about 10 or Sat around 9:30.  This team needs to win back to back games against 2 very good teams, something it hasn't done ALL year.  What makes anyone think they will do it against SCSU and Denver??

Faith brother, nothing but faith!

[InHeavenThereIsNoBeer]

6 hours ago, InHeavenThereIsNoBeer said:

Don't worry, someone nearly everyone will find a downside to it

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[Dustin]

21 minutes ago, MafiaMan said:

SCSU is ripe for the picking and Denver will be playing not to get hurt on Saturday.  I’m sayin’ there’s a chance.  

Yup.  I like our draw of St. Cloud.  Better than UMD.  And, what are the chances that Denver beats us five times in a row?

[90siouxfan]

LoL, I have a similar policy applied to entitled snotty punks.

[brianvf]

3 minutes ago, Dustin said:

And, what are the chances that Denver beats us five times in a row?

Fair to strong. 

[burd]

39 minutes ago, brianvf said:

Sweet bejesus. Alrighty. 
I prefer UND’s overall history. You like Michigan. No worries! 

I don’t know:  Michigan was awful dam good during the hula hoop era.  

Then, with the British Invasion, they just went away, rarely to be heard from again.    

They get great recruits though.  

[siouxforce19]

19 minutes ago, Dustin said:

Yup.  I like our draw of St. Cloud.  Better than UMD.  And, what are the chances that Denver beats us five times in a row?

Last time we played Denver a 5th time after going 0-4 against them in the regular season, UND won the semi-final Final Five game against DU and went on to beat SCSU in the championship. 2010 I believe. 

[stoneySIOUX]

8 minutes ago, SiouxFanSince1990 said:

What’s this with Jake and Berry? Was there a disagreement during Saturday nights postgame or something?

Bubbs made a comment that "Jake will need to keep talking about us" after they won on Saturday. Came off rather .... terse? ... No one knows the real story, however. 

[stoneySIOUX]

3 minutes ago, SiouxFanSince1990 said:

Sounds like Berry is insecure. He’d probably shut this site down if he could. 

Or, the other possibility is that we don't know the real story and it was an inside joke between the two. I can absolutely see both being possible.

Bubbs and the squad have certainly earned some criticism this season, and rightfully so. With that said, he's a human, and I'm sure gets exhausting to hear it nonstop. Maybe some of that bubbled over? 

Overall, maybe developing a chip on his shoulder wouldn't be a bad thing for a stretch run? 

[lawkota]

50 minutes ago, siouxforce19 said:

Last time we played Denver a 5th time after going 0-4 against them in the regular season, UND won the semi-final Final Five game against DU and went on to beat SCSU in the championship. 2010 I believe. 

Wow.

 

[Goon]

6 hours ago, AJS said:

No, but you along with the local media (or media adjacent) might be the only people that feel like finishing a game over .500 somehow equals a successful season for a program like UND. 

I do understand why @Goon would leave it here though. We saw what happened to Brandt on Saturday night when he was critical of the teams play on Friday. Big mistake, Berry doesn't do criticism. Media better get in line. 

I just added it for conversation. I neither endorse it or reject it. It’s just a stat. TBH, I am not for burning the program to the ground unless this becomes a pattern. When the league was formed, former head coach Dave Hakstol said during a press conference that good teams from our league will fail to make the tourney due to the difficulty of our conference. I think we’re seeing that come to fruition. 

 

 

[Goon]

15 minutes ago, SiouxFanSince1990 said:

Sounds like Berry is insecure. He’d probably shut this site down if he could. 

That’s a bad take. It would be fun having you ask him if he’s insecure. I think @stoneySIOUX is right. It’s probably an inside joke.