Who would UND hire?

[sioux24/7]

9 minutes ago, jdub27 said:

UND received $10 million from Altru in 2012, which was the same amount that NDSU received from Sanford in 2010.

Doesn't mean there isn't a future opportunity, but that wasn't a coincidence.

Well never mind about what I said! Thanks for pointing that out for me. 

[UND Fan]

1 hour ago, jdub27 said:

UND received $10 million from Altru in 2012, which was the same amount that NDSU received from Sanford in 2010.

Doesn't mean there isn't a future opportunity, but that wasn't a coincidence.

UND did get a commitment for $10M from Altru in 2012. Many do not know that it was to be paid over 10 years - $1M/year for the 10 years. 
I better not provide too much info but let's just say UND has not received 10 checks. 

[UND-FB-FAN]

3 hours ago, Irish said:

Blame hockey all you want but the sad fact is that Football's current problems are largely self-inflicted and could have been corrected.

Agree to a point. Not sure how football’s poor salary pool is entirely football’s fault. 
 

All programs need a stimulus at some point. Heck, UND hockey got a $100M one a bit ago. 
 

UND football’s resources are not at the top compared to their regional competitors. At some point, the athletic department’s priorities and their relationship (or lack thereof) with boosters needs to be looked at also. 

[UND-FB-FAN]

3 hours ago, gfhockey said:

Why don’t the big donors step forward for football? Should be a ton more football alumni then hockey alumni

Because priority doesn’t appear to be there. Chaves and his department doesn’t make it a priority; that lies with hockey. People constantly donating to just hockey (which honestly doesn’t need anymore) and receiving publicity for doing so. 

[UND-FB-FAN]

2 hours ago, Irish said:

Totally agree - however this question now needs to be postponed until 2025 because apparently the Athletic Director looked at his  coaching-  last year (in which he had some of the worst in-game coaching I have ever seen)  decided he needed an extension.  This is why we are mired in mediocrity.  

Beyond puzzling… and frustrating.

[AJS]

4 hours ago, siouxkid12 said:

You and him are taking my post out of context. I said that NDSU has one contender and UND could potentially have 2 sports be contenders if they were smart. Name me one other sports that NDSU can say they will be contenders in?

Our men's and women's teams basketball teams and volleyball team have made the NCAA tournaments too but I definitely wouldn't be calling them contenders

Who cares if neither UND or NDSU will ever be a contender to win it all in NCAA Basketball. Just making the men's tournament will give you more press then winning the NCAA Hockey or FCS Football National Championship. Make it to the 2nd round and it's X5. The NCAA Men's Basketball Tournament it's all about just getting in. NDSU over the past decade has had about a 50/50 shot each year of making it. They play in the Summit League final virtually every year. There's no comparison between NDSU and UND in the NCAA's biggest tournament. 

[jdub27]

53 minutes ago, UND-FB-FAN said:

Because priority doesn’t appear to be there. Chaves and his department doesn’t make it a priority; that lies with hockey. 

Just curious if you have any actual proof of this or it is all your anecdotal evidence?
Because from what I've seen, which is just my anecdotal experience, is the opposite of this.

Obviously they haven't pulled in any $100 million donors, but name more than a couple schools who have ever done that.
And I wouldn't say that just because they haven't pulled in any 8 figure donations doesn't mean that it isn't a priority. Those things takes years to cultivate and there was quite a few relationships that needed repairing for various reasons.
I mean, they managed to figure out a creative way to get Memorial Village done. They are incredibly close to Phase 2 of the HPC. Those aren't small tasks coming off the back-end of the $300 million Spirit campaign.

[siouxkid12]

4 hours ago, fightingsioux4life said:

100% agree with you here. She does not represent "the hand that feeds us"; she is siphoning off money that could be used to help UND athletics as a whole. Also, it was RALPH Engelstad who built the arena, not his daughter. The idea that we have to find another $100 million donor for FB and whatever else is the wrong approach. Smaller donations from a larger pool of alumni would be a much better approach to fundraising.

Look at her track record at UNLV. She wanted her person left in charge at UNLV and when they wanted to get rid of them, she had her lawyer rescind the money ($14M). Forgive me but I must be old fashioned and once you donated money to someone or something, you no longer get a say in how things are ran.

[siouxkid12]

35 minutes ago, AJS said:

Who cares if neither UND or NDSU will ever be a contender to win it all in NCAA Basketball. Just making the men's tournament will give you more press then winning the NCAA Hockey or FCS Football National Championship. Make it to the 2nd round and it's X5. The NCAA Men's Basketball Tournament it's all about just getting in. NDSU over the past decade has had about a 50/50 shot each year of making it. They play in the Summit League final virtually every year. There's no comparison between NDSU and UND in the NCAA's biggest tournament. 

That is just not true. You're going to sit there with a stone cold face and believe that? How many people still talk about those games in the NCAA tournament? ZERO. How many people talk about College Game Day being in Fargo or 5 straight national championships NDSU won? 

[UND-FB-FAN]

22 minutes ago, jdub27 said:

Just curious if you have any actual proof of this or it is all your anecdotal evidence?
Because from what I've seen, which is just my anecdotal experience, is the opposite of this.

Obviously they haven't pulled in any $100 million donors, but name more than a couple schools who have ever done that.
And I wouldn't say that just because they haven't pulled in any 8 figure donations doesn't mean that it isn't a priority. Those things takes years to cultivate and there was quite a few relationships that needed repairing for various reasons.
I mean, they managed to figure out a creative way to get Memorial Village done. They are incredibly close to Phase 2 of the HPC. Those aren't small tasks coming off the back-end of the $300 million Spirit campaign.

Just anecdotal, but plan on more specific conversations soon. Ultimately, as I’ve said, I think the agreement with REA/Engelstad, McGarry has also been limiting. REA takes in 52% of ticket revenue - all of that just directly or indirectly goes to hockey. UND has no say in that going to football. 

[Und246]

When you win as many titles as NDSU has won you definitely get some attention. But for all the other fcs schools winning a title is dwarfed by being in the March madness event. FCS is generally small potatoes.  

[UND-FB-FAN]

9 minutes ago, siouxkid12 said:

Look at her track record at UNLV. She wanted her person left in charge at UNLV and when they wanted to get rid of them, she had her lawyer rescind the money ($14M). Forgive me but I must be old fashioned and once you donated money to someone or something, you no longer get a say in how things are ran.

Absolutely! Completely agree 1000%.

herein lies the issue with her and the donation UND accepted 

[Bison06]

11 minutes ago, siouxkid12 said:

That is just not true. You're going to sit there with a stone cold face and believe that? How many people still talk about those games in the NCAA tournament? ZERO. How many people talk about College Game Day being in Fargo or 5 straight national championships NDSU won? 

I think the poster may have been referencing attention on a national level when comparing NCAA Basketball vs FCS football/NCAA Hockey.

On that point specifically, the original poster may have actually understated the differences. 

NDSU’s current run is an outlier. Under normal circumstances, just making the NCAA basketball tournament is much more publicity nationally than an FCS championship or a hockey national championship.

[CMSioux]

9 hours ago, farce poobah said:

Wow!

UND loses its first game to an FCS opponent this season and a thread discussing football coaching staff gets almost 200 new posts.

Most schools would kill for that kind of passion in their fan base.

Not sure most schools look at discussions about firing a head coach as positive. 

[nodak651]

16 minutes ago, CMSioux said:

Not sure most schools look at discussions about firing a head coach as positive. 

Something something indifference etc

[The Sicatoka]

Why do UND football fans want to compare their program to NDSU's?

Let's look at a more reasonable benchmark: Why can't UND compete on the same level as SDSU, an average-at-best football program in DII?

How did UND manage to fall below what SDSU has accomplished in football? The Jacks got into DI more for basketball, not football. Yet they've managed to become a contender in football with their DII coach.

What has stopped UND doing the same? (If you're going to go with a usual drivel answer, please don't.) 
 

[UND Fan]

2 hours ago, UND-FB-FAN said:

Just anecdotal, but plan on more specific conversations soon. Ultimately, as I’ve said, I think the agreement with REA/Engelstad, McGarry has also been limiting. REA takes in 52% of ticket revenue - all of that just directly or indirectly goes to hockey. UND has no say in that going to football. 

That might be a pretty good deal. With the limited attendance at other revenue sports, hockey probably accounts for much more than 52% of all ticket revenue!

[Dustin]

8 minutes ago, The Sicatoka said:

Why do UND football fans want to compare their program to NDSU's?

Multiple reasons, and surprised you'd have to ask.

A) As a school, NDSU represents the primary alternative for ND / northern MN kids who are also considering UND, so they are a natural rival, both competing for the same students.  This makes for many friends/families with ties to each school, creating interpersonal dynamics, hopefully not taken too seriously, but oftentimes is.  We want our school to show up as the "superior" in athletic contests, because, hey, who doesn't want their team to win?

B) UND / NDSU football (and all sports, really) is/was a classic college rivalry.  It had (and still should have) a trophy.  A contest was played every year for decades (and now finally again).  Same conference for decades (and now finally again).  Just as the schools compete the same students, the football programs compete for the same student-athletes.  Lots of interpersonal dynamics at play here again.

C)  UND holds a winning record over NDSU head-to-head.  Throughout time, UND has beaten NDSU more times than lost, so why wouldn't we want more of that??  We ultimately expect it.  We ultimately deserve it.

[The Sicatoka]

So why aren't we ahead of SDSU? 

[UND1983]

Just now, The Sicatoka said:

So why aren't we ahead of SDSU? 

Recruiting 

[Dustin]

1 minute ago, The Sicatoka said:

So why aren't we ahead of SDSU? 

Because they had a 4 year head start.

[Dustin]

2 minutes ago, The Sicatoka said:

So why aren't we ahead of SDSU? 

I would also argue that SDSU isn’t that far ahead of us in football.  At least we’ve beaten them.

[UND1983]

They are ahead in playoff wins, making playoffs, beating NDSU.  We need to get to that level.

[Irish]

34 minutes ago, Dustin said:

Multiple reasons, and surprised you'd have to ask.

A) As a school, NDSU represents the primary alternative for ND / northern MN kids who are also considering UND, so they are a natural rival, both competing for the same students.  This makes for many friends/families with ties to each school, creating interpersonal dynamics, hopefully not taken too seriously, but oftentimes is.  We want our school to show up as the "superior" in athletic contests, because, hey, who doesn't want their team to win?

B) UND / NDSU football (and all sports, really) is/was a classic college rivalry.  It had (and still should have) a trophy.  A contest was played every year for decades (and now finally again).  Same conference for decades (and now finally again).  Just as the schools compete the same students, the football programs compete for the same student-athletes.  Lots of interpersonal dynamics at play here again.

C)  UND holds a winning record over NDSU head-to-head.  Throughout time, UND has beaten NDSU more times than lost, so why wouldn't we want more of that??  We ultimately expect it.  We ultimately deserve it.

It used to be a great rivalry - every town had a contingent of NDSU fans and one of UND fans.  Game day was a big event.  Now outside of Grand Forks there isn't much of a UND following and on game day we just have to hope it isn't a blow out.  Our failure to move up when they did and our commitment to mediocre coaches who are allowed to stay too long has made this rivalry a joke.

[AJS]

3 hours ago, siouxkid12 said:

That is just not true. You're going to sit there with a stone cold face and believe that? How many people still talk about those games in the NCAA tournament? ZERO. How many people talk about College Game Day being in Fargo or 5 straight national championships NDSU won? 

Let's call it brand recognition. I'm not saying what I'd chose as a fan, I'm saying national eyeballs. What would be the biggest on any given year?

• Making the Men's NCAA Basketball Tournament
• Winning the Frozen Four
• Winning the FCS Title Game

Am I off base here? It's definitely making the NCAA Basketball Tournament. Which do you think it is?