UND to cut women's hockey

[geaux_sioux]

7 hours ago, brianvf said:

Is she now looking up "endowment" in the dictionary? 

It's not the size of the endowment that matters it's all about how you use it.... Right?

[The Sicatoka]

10 hours ago, jdub27 said:

... when UND had experts in compliance come in before decisions were made ...

If UND had done this without that step I'd be terrified. Instead, they brought in Baker Donelson. 

And the guy leading BD's Title IX resource group? Uh, yeah, ... "proactive", "litigation avoidance" ... as in he does the audit of what you're going to do before you do it because he knows what the auditors from US OCR will come looking for and he makes sure what OCR finds is all legally compliant. 

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Mr. Cohen joins as a shareholder in Baker Donelson's Atlanta office, where he will focus his practice on representing institutions and their athletic departments in their legal affairs.  His Title IX compliance work includes defending colleges and universities against Title IX investigations by the federal Office for Civil Rights, providing proactive Title IX audits and compliance reviews, and developing litigation avoidance strategies. He serves as a Special Assistant Attorney General in two states to represent certain public institutions in Title IX matters. Mr. Cohen also advises colleges and universities on legal aspects of their strategic planning initiatives, NCAA governance issues and changing athletic conference affiliations.

 https://www.bakerdonelson.com/Baker-Donelson-Launches-Title-IX-Higher-Education-Group 

[Maddogg1971]

10 hours ago, SS0016 said:

Who else is tired of the Lamoureux twins? Now that they both are making 70k to 100k, are they still selling tshirts as a fundraiser?  what a joke, when are people gonna wise up to there personal motives.  Its all about them.

I am I am I am!!! 

[Siouxperfan7]

As most things go in regards to social media outrage, people have already moved on from this story and focused their aggression on their next social injustice battle the need to fight..  

[southpaw]

On 4/22/2017 at 3:42 PM, SS0016 said:

Schlossman has many awards in journalism and has done a ton of great work.  But, the way he handled the WIH cut was one sided and very unprofessional.  He has lost a lot of credibility by overly supporting the WIH program and the twins.  He needs to be subjective and report the facts, UND can't afford WIH.

His articles have certainly been objective.

His personal twitter has not.  But it doesn't have to be.

[fightingsioux4life]

12 hours ago, SS0016 said:

Who else is tired of the Lamoureux twins? Now that they both are making 70k to 100k, are they still selling tshirts as a fundraiser?  what a joke, when are people gonna wise up to there personal motives.  Its all about them.

The best way to deal with this is to not comment on it day after day after day. The more chatter there is by the public, the longer it will drag on.

[fightingsioux4life]

7 minutes ago, southpaw said:

His articles have certainly been objective.

His personal twitter has not.  But it doesn't have to be.

That is my feeling on this as well.

[UNDBIZ]

18 minutes ago, southpaw said:

His articles have certainly been objective.

He hasn't outright lied in his articles, but he's certainly omitted pertinent facts at times and focused on making UND administration look bad.

[UNDBIZ]

Whoever runs the HawksReport twitter, thanks for the numbers from the other schools.

[petey23]

45 minutes ago, UNDBIZ said:

Whoever runs the HawksReport twitter, thanks for the numbers from the other schools.

I am guessing that the hopes in Fargo are that the investigators fly directly into Grand Forks.

[FSSD]

So, without relocation UND and NDSU are at the same % interesting.

[SIOUXFAN97]

15 hours ago, SS0016 said:

Who else is tired of the Lamoureux family? Now that they both are making 70k to 100k, are they still selling tshirts as a fundraiser?  what a joke, when are people gonna wise up to there personal motives.  Its all about them.

me.

[SJHovey]

The Lamoureux family's  contributions to North Dakota hockey certainly exceed, by miles, the contributions of anyone on this board.  I think its time to stop ripping them.  Just my two cents.

[Blackheart]

Just now, SJHovey said:

The Lamoureux family's  contributions to North Dakota hockey certainly exceed, by miles, the contributions of anyone on this board.  I think its time to stop ripping them.  Just my two cents.

People will stop ripping them when they stop ripping UND.

[UND1983]

9 minutes ago, SJHovey said:

The Lamoureux family's  contributions to North Dakota hockey certainly exceed, by miles, the contributions of anyone on this board.  I think its time to stop ripping them.  Just my two cents.

OK, Ace.  The way they slandered UND, Kennedy, and Faison makes them fair game.  They made it personal and then tried to starting using "sexism" and "title ix" when they realized the merits of the program were not nearly enough.  

UND was just fine before them and will be just fine without them, now and into the future.  They made their feelings clear.  

 

[Siouxperfan7]

21 minutes ago, SJHovey said:

The Lamoureux family's  contributions to North Dakota hockey certainly exceed, by miles, the contributions of anyone on this board.  I think its time to stop ripping them.  Just my two cents.

If you don't want to get ripped on, quit making false claims and false accusations.  That being said, I don't think any Lamoureux family member is getting too offended by comments made towards them on a message board.  

[The Sicatoka]

Other NDUS schools affected by the state budget are cutting sports, programs, departments (Dickinson State). 

Like I've said, I'd like to hear more than just grousing; I'd like to hear the solution provided by the Lamoureux twins. 

[Siouxperfan7]

18 minutes ago, The Sicatoka said:

Other NDUS schools affected by the state budget are cutting sports, programs, departments (Dickinson State). 

Like I've said, I'd like to hear more than just grousing; I'd like to hear the solution provided by the Lamoureux twins. 

Their solution is to force officials to cave to (supposed) moral outcry in the name of gender equality.  Worked with USA hockey, why not try the same strategy with UND I guess.  

[cberkas]

44 minutes ago, The Sicatoka said:

Other NDUS schools affected by the state budget are cutting sports, programs, departments (Dickinson State). 

Like I've said, I'd like to hear more than just grousing; I'd like to hear the solution provided by the Lamoureux twins. 

Their solution will be to get everyone in the WCHA to boycott until the WCHA gives UND $60 million.

[SWSiouxMN]

4th player found a new home:  Stanley to BU. 

[Siouxperfan7]

So with 4 players now, with more to come, leaving the program....is this issue over now?  YOu would think if there was any chance of a Title IX lawsuit being successful, the players would certainly stick around.  Good for the players that see the writing on the wall and accept reality.  UND womens hockey may not longer be around, but they still have the opportunity to continue their playing career and education elsewhere.  

[SIOUXFAN97]

1 hour ago, SJHovey said:

The Lamoureux family's  contributions to North Dakota hockey certainly exceed, by miles, the contributions of anyone on this board.  I think its time to stop ripping them.  Just my two cents.

zero natty's.

[SJHovey]

49 minutes ago, Blackheart said:

People will stop ripping them when they stop ripping UND.

They have a right to rip on UND.  That doesn't mean the decision by UND was wrong, but if there is anyone who has a right to be angry, frustrated and disappointed with the actions of UND regarding the women's hockey program, it's the Lammy twins.

Let's just ignore the rest of the family's connections and contributions to UND hockey.  The Lammy twins gave up an opportunity to be stars on championship teams for nothing more than an opportunity to join a horrid program, in their hometown, and try to breathe some life into it.  I'd say they were successful.  Some have suggested failure because of the lack of national championships, but all things being equal they certainly put the women's hockey team on the map.

I don't necessarily disagree with UND's decision.  Something had to be done, and this probably made as much sense fiscally as any others.  But the way the school handled it was sub-optimal, to put it mildly.  Frankly, it probably bothers me more the lack of outrage over the cutting of the other programs (didn't they care?) or the lack of outrage that our school can't get it's fiscal house in order and seemed to be caught by surprise by all of this.

[Nodak78]

5 minutes ago, SJHovey said:

They have a right to rip on UND.  That doesn't mean the decision by UND was wrong, but if there is anyone who has a right to be angry, frustrated and disappointed with the actions of UND regarding the women's hockey program, it's the Lammy twins.

Let's just ignore the rest of the family's connections and contributions to UND hockey.  The Lammy twins gave up an opportunity to be stars on championship teams for nothing more than an opportunity to join a horrid program, in their hometown, and try to breathe some life into it.  I'd say they were successful.  Some have suggested failure because of the lack of national championships, but all things being equal they certainly put the women's hockey team on the map.

I don't necessarily disagree with UND's decision.  Something had to be done, and this probably made as much sense fiscally as any others.  But the way the school handled it was sub-optimal, to put it mildly.  Frankly, it probably bothers me more the lack of outrage over the cutting of the other programs (didn't they care?) or the lack of outrage that our school can't get it's fiscal house in order and seemed to be caught by surprise by all of this.

Then take it out on the previous president.  President Kennedy is getting the house in order.  I believe he handled a bad situation the best he could.

[Siouxphan27]

25 minutes ago, Siouxperfan7 said:

So with 4 players now, with more to come, leaving the program....is this issue over now?  YOu would think if there was any chance of a Title IX lawsuit being successful, the players would certainly stick around.  Good for the players that see the writing on the wall and accept reality.  UND womens hockey may not longer be around, but they still have the opportunity to continue their playing career and education elsewhere.  

It could be argued 4 spots just opened up for future Finnish Olympians.