geaux_sioux Posted March 18, 2023 Author Share Posted March 18, 2023 16 hours ago, iramurphy said: I’d be curious as to why you believe that about NFL teams. Each NFL club spends millions to evaluate potential players. They watch lots of film over years to evaluate not only ability but potential. They will know before spending millions on a player how well these numbers transfer to game speed and quickness etc. If you would have commented that there are media people who focus on off season numbers I might agree. The better college programs watch film and often will also watch them in their other sports. We used to watch how well potential recruits moved their feet playing BB. One of the reasons colleges want to get potential recruits to their camps is to see if their reported strength, speed and stats are accurate and how they stack up against other recruits. RIP Al Davis but he would usually draft a couple of the workout warriors that killed it at the combine and didn’t have the best film. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iramurphy Posted March 18, 2023 Share Posted March 18, 2023 3 hours ago, geaux_sioux said: RIP Al Davis but he would usually draft a couple of the workout warriors that killed it at the combine and didn’t have the best film. Ok, depending on how far back one wants to go it wasn’t uncommon. The athletes that may be under the radar and have great workouts now have film. Occasionally, a team will sign a guy who didn’t play college FB but it’s usually a FA contract. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sioux>Bison Posted March 21, 2023 Share Posted March 21, 2023 On 3/16/2023 at 10:15 AM, gundy1124 said: Tests like Tarzan, played......... So like that Ag player that got drafted by the Packers, luckily he figured out his drop problem Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fightingsioux4life Posted March 21, 2023 Share Posted March 21, 2023 On 3/17/2023 at 4:14 PM, iramurphy said: I’d be curious as to why you believe that about NFL teams. Each NFL club spends millions to evaluate potential players. They watch lots of film over years to evaluate not only ability but potential. They will know before spending millions on a player how well these numbers transfer to game speed and quickness etc. If you would have commented that there are media people who focus on off season numbers I might agree. The better college programs watch film and often will also watch them in their other sports. We used to watch how well potential recruits moved their feet playing BB. One of the reasons colleges want to get potential recruits to their camps is to see if their reported strength, speed and stats are accurate and how they stack up against other recruits. And yet the NFL draft remains one gigantic crap shoot. As does college recruiting. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iramurphy Posted March 21, 2023 Share Posted March 21, 2023 30 minutes ago, fightingsioux4life said: And yet the NFL draft remains one gigantic crap shoot. As does college recruiting. Yes, it’s certainly not an exact science. Lots of first round busts in the NFL and many promising hs players never get on the field in college. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gundy1124 Posted March 21, 2023 Share Posted March 21, 2023 11 hours ago, Sioux>Bison said: So like that Ag player that got drafted by the Packers, luckily he figured out his drop problem That's a stretch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forksandspoons Posted March 29, 2023 Share Posted March 29, 2023 Anyone attending the pro day that can post results? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NDRA Posted March 29, 2023 Share Posted March 29, 2023 5 hours ago, forksandspoons said: Anyone attending the pro day that can post results? Wondering the same. Any results posted somewhere? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Siouxperfan7 Posted March 29, 2023 Share Posted March 29, 2023 Hearing from someone who was there that the Niners, Browns, Vikings, Packers, Raiders, Chiefs, Bucs, and Blue Bombers were all there. Might be a few more. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Siouxperfan7 Posted March 29, 2023 Share Posted March 29, 2023 Maag running some routes. IMG_2720.MOV IMG_2721.MOV 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NDRA Posted April 1, 2023 Share Posted April 1, 2023 Did anyone ever post any results/times from pro day? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hawkster Posted April 3, 2023 Share Posted April 3, 2023 Anyone hear anything on Waletzko and his rehab? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nodak78 Posted April 13, 2023 Share Posted April 13, 2023 I really believe Hoos can play in the NFL. If he gets the chance he will succeed. I wish we had him for 4 years. But Danny needs a bonus for providing the year he had at UND. https://nfldraftdiamonds.com/2023/04/tyler-hoosman-2/ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forksandspoons Posted April 13, 2023 Share Posted April 13, 2023 42 minutes ago, Nodak78 said: I really believe Hoos can play in the NFL. If he gets the chance he will succeed. I wish we had him for 4 years. But Danny needs a bonus for providing the year he had at UND. https://nfldraftdiamonds.com/2023/04/tyler-hoosman-2/ Agreed. I honestly believe he has the vision and power to be an NFL back if given a chance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SIOUXFAN97 Posted April 13, 2023 Share Posted April 13, 2023 37 minutes ago, forksandspoons said: Agreed. I honestly believe he has the vision and power to be an NFL back if given a chance. matt forte 2.1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sioux94 Posted April 13, 2023 Share Posted April 13, 2023 1 hour ago, Nodak78 said: I really believe Hoos can play in the NFL. If he gets the chance he will succeed. I wish we had him for 4 years. But Danny needs a bonus for providing the year he had at UND. https://nfldraftdiamonds.com/2023/04/tyler-hoosman-2/ I still remember the week of the UNI game, their fans laughing about how their 3rd-4th string RB was now our #1 RB. The laugh was on them. I think he will at least make a practice squad somewhere, hopefully he is at least given a shot. Nice to see him wearing the North Dakota shirt in the interview. If he does make it at the next level......definitely a big thanks to the North Dakota football program........with honorable mention going to Weah 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UND-FB-FAN Posted April 13, 2023 Share Posted April 13, 2023 10 hours ago, Nodak78 said: I really believe Hoos can play in the NFL. If he gets the chance he will succeed. I wish we had him for 4 years. But Danny needs a bonus for providing the year he had at UND. https://nfldraftdiamonds.com/2023/04/tyler-hoosman-2/ Bonus? Next HC at UND? Bubba to AD or AA? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
petey23 Posted April 13, 2023 Share Posted April 13, 2023 20 minutes ago, UND-FB-FAN said: Bonus? Next HC at UND? Bubba to AD or AA? Whoever the next coach is at UND better be someone who in the interview says that he will bring in a mix of experience and rising young coaches to be his asssitants and he plans on winning enough that he is at UND for 5 years before moiving on to his better, bigger job. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post iramurphy Posted April 13, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted April 13, 2023 5 hours ago, petey23 said: Whoever the next coach is at UND better be someone who in the interview says that he will bring in a mix of experience and rising young coaches to be his asssitants and he plans on winning enough that he is at UND for 5 years before moiving on to his better, bigger job. Head coaching contracts tend to include a two way buyout clause. If the school wants to fire a coach before the of the contract the buyout is in the contract. If the coach wants to leave early, there should be a buyout clause with cost to get out of contract. (Often paid by the new employer). It seems Bubba has been doing what you mentioned regarding assistants. Without looking up to see who I missed: Eric Schmidt, Jordan Gigli, Robbie Rouse, Steven Crutchley are a few that have been on the move. Freund, Pawlak, Flyger, and (despite his detractors on this forum) Kostich are all young coaches who will likely have opportunities for successful coaching careers. I think considering assistant coaching salaries, that is impressive. Bubba, his staff and these players all plan on winning. I believe Bubba’s focus is accomplishing his goal of conference championships, annual playoff runs and ultimately a national championship. I don’t believe he is thinking about possible future opportunities unless those goals are accomplished. Most of us are getting impatient, some are frustrated and want to start over. Either way, until contract time it doesn’t matter. To me, this will be the most important year for Bubba. We have gone through the struggles of the move to FCS, the struggles of finding a conference, the success of winning a conference championship (albeit The Great West), the struggles of switching conferences, then the excitement and optimism by winning the Big Sky followed by the frustration of laying an egg in the playoffs. The program is disrupted again with a move to a new conference a playoff appearance, another laid egg then the success of a conference championship followed by another laid egg, followed by another playoff year with limited success ultimately ending in failure so far to reach our ultimate goal. To his credit Bubba has steered the ship through some rough waters. Facilities are much improved but not there yet. Asst salaries have a ways to go yet. (Bubba has given part of his salary to go to asst salaries). I believe Chaves sees and feels any change would be too big of a setback. Despite all of the thorough vetting of potential replacements by our forum folks, I haven’t seen anything that would indicate making a change would be beneficial right now. Every time contracts are renewed would be the opportunity to re-evaluate the need for change. Just my opinion. 1 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nodak78 Posted April 13, 2023 Share Posted April 13, 2023 30 minutes ago, iramurphy said: Head coaching contracts tend to include a two way buyout clause. If the school wants to fire a coach before the of the contract the buyout is in the contract. If the coach wants to leave early, there should be a buyout clause with cost to get out of contract. (Often paid by the new employer). It seems Bubba has been doing what you mentioned regarding assistants. Without looking up to see who I missed: Eric Schmidt, Jordan Gigli, Robbie Rouse, Steven Crutchley are a few that have been on the move. Freund, Pawlak, Flyger, and (despite his detractors on this forum) Kostich are all young coaches who will likely have opportunities for successful coaching careers. I think considering assistant coaching salaries, that is impressive. Bubba, his staff and these players all plan on winning. I believe Bubba’s focus is accomplishing his goal of conference championships, annual playoff runs and ultimately a national championship. I don’t believe he is thinking about possible future opportunities unless those goals are accomplished. Most of us are getting impatient, some are frustrated and want to start over. Either way, until contract time it doesn’t matter. To me, this will be the most important year for Bubba. We have gone through the struggles of the move to FCS, the struggles of finding a conference, the success of winning a conference championship (albeit The Great West), the struggles of switching conferences, then the excitement and optimism by winning the Big Sky followed by the frustration of laying an egg in the playoffs. The program is disrupted again with a move to a new conference a playoff appearance, another laid egg then the success of a conference championship followed by another laid egg, followed by another playoff year with limited success ultimately ending in failure so far to reach our ultimate goal. To his credit Bubba has steered the ship through some rough waters. Facilities are much improved but not there yet. Asst salaries have a ways to go yet. (Bubba has given part of his salary to go to asst salaries). I believe Chaves sees and feels any change would be too big of a setback. Despite all of the thorough vetting of potential replacements by our forum folks, I haven’t seen anything that would indicate making a change. Every time contracts are renewed would be the opportunity to re-evaluate the need for change. Just my opinion. This right here. Bubba is helping staff from becoming even more of a revolving door. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
petey23 Posted April 13, 2023 Share Posted April 13, 2023 46 minutes ago, iramurphy said: Head coaching contracts tend to include a two way buyout clause. If the school wants to fire a coach before the of the contract the buyout is in the contract. If the coach wants to leave early, there should be a buyout clause with cost to get out of contract. (Often paid by the new employer). It seems Bubba has been doing what you mentioned regarding assistants. Without looking up to see who I missed: Eric Schmidt, Jordan Gigli, Robbie Rouse, Steven Crutchley are a few that have been on the move. Freund, Pawlak, Flyger, and (despite his detractors on this forum) Kostich are all young coaches who will likely have opportunities for successful coaching careers. I think considering assistant coaching salaries, that is impressive. Bubba, his staff and these players all plan on winning. I believe Bubba’s focus is accomplishing his goal of conference championships, annual playoff runs and ultimately a national championship. I don’t believe he is thinking about possible future opportunities unless those goals are accomplished. Most of us are getting impatient, some are frustrated and want to start over. Either way, until contract time it doesn’t matter. To me, this will be the most important year for Bubba. We have gone through the struggles of the move to FCS, the struggles of finding a conference, the success of winning a conference championship (albeit The Great West), the struggles of switching conferences, then the excitement and optimism by winning the Big Sky followed by the frustration of laying an egg in the playoffs. The program is disrupted again with a move to a new conference a playoff appearance, another laid egg then the success of a conference championship followed by another laid egg, followed by another playoff year with limited success ultimately ending in failure so far to reach our ultimate goal. To his credit Bubba has steered the ship through some rough waters. Facilities are much improved but not there yet. Asst salaries have a ways to go yet. (Bubba has given part of his salary to go to asst salaries). I believe Chaves sees and feels any change would be too big of a setback. Despite all of the thorough vetting of potential replacements by our forum folks, I haven’t seen anything that would indicate making a change. Every time contracts are renewed would be the opportunity to re-evaluate the need for change. Just my opinion. I appreciate and respect your opinion and think Bubba has done an average job with the hand he had to play. I think we missed the boat in not hiring DeBoer when we had the chance. In short I don't think UND should be a final destination spot for a Football or Basketball coach. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iramurphy Posted April 13, 2023 Share Posted April 13, 2023 6 minutes ago, petey23 said: I appreciate and respect your opinion and think Bubba has done an average job with the hand he had to play. I think we missed the boat in not hiring DeBoer when we had the chance. In short I don't think UND should be a final destination spot for a Football or Basketball coach. No disagreement here on either point. The first ship has sailed years ago so for me it’s a moot point. Agree with your second comment but with certain exceptions. (Successful program, likely veteran coach with personal reasons for staying). 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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nodak651 Posted April 14, 2023 Share Posted April 14, 2023 On 4/13/2023 at 9:50 AM, iramurphy said: Head coaching contracts tend to include a two way buyout clause. If the school wants to fire a coach before the of the contract the buyout is in the contract. If the coach wants to leave early, there should be a buyout clause with cost to get out of contract. (Often paid by the new employer). It seems Bubba has been doing what you mentioned regarding assistants. Without looking up to see who I missed: Eric Schmidt, Jordan Gigli, Robbie Rouse, Steven Crutchley are a few that have been on the move. Freund, Pawlak, Flyger, and (despite his detractors on this forum) Kostich are all young coaches who will likely have opportunities for successful coaching careers. I think considering assistant coaching salaries, that is impressive. Bubba, his staff and these players all plan on winning. I believe Bubba’s focus is accomplishing his goal of conference championships, annual playoff runs and ultimately a national championship. I don’t believe he is thinking about possible future opportunities unless those goals are accomplished. Most of us are getting impatient, some are frustrated and want to start over. Either way, until contract time it doesn’t matter. To me, this will be the most important year for Bubba. We have gone through the struggles of the move to FCS, the struggles of finding a conference, the success of winning a conference championship (albeit The Great West), the struggles of switching conferences, then the excitement and optimism by winning the Big Sky followed by the frustration of laying an egg in the playoffs. The program is disrupted again with a move to a new conference a playoff appearance, another laid egg then the success of a conference championship followed by another laid egg, followed by another playoff year with limited success ultimately ending in failure so far to reach our ultimate goal. To his credit Bubba has steered the ship through some rough waters. Facilities are much improved but not there yet. Asst salaries have a ways to go yet. (Bubba has given part of his salary to go to asst salaries). I believe Chaves sees and feels any change would be too big of a setback. Despite all of the thorough vetting of potential replacements by our forum folks, I haven’t seen anything that would indicate making a change would be beneficial right now. Every time contracts are renewed would be the opportunity to re-evaluate the need for change. Just my opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shep Posted April 15, 2023 Share Posted April 15, 2023 On 4/13/2023 at 7:47 AM, UND-FB-FAN said: Bonus? Next HC at UND? Bubba to AD or AA? Danny Bubba to the Champions Club fundraising. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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