Drop Fighting Hawks name

[darell1976]

27 minutes ago, UND1981 said:

Odds are we are going to end up with some garbage like this.

For what UND is paying they better come up with something better than this.

[iramurphy]

On ‎2‎/‎14‎/‎2016 at 9:48 AM, SiouxSlickers11 said:

Look at all the sheep in this thread.  All the people that are willing to just accept "Fighting Hawks."  It's embarrassing and a suitable name for a Pee Wee Football team.  Not a proud University.  Mascots are supposed to be meaningful!  Something that people can feel and get behind.  Not a generic BS acronym.  I wont stand for the new name and neither should you.  Be a sheepdog and fight back or just sit back and get rolled over your whole life. 

We  didn't have a "mascot". We had a logo. The logo was what was best about the Fighting Sioux name. Apparently the people who granted the University permission to use the name years ago, passed away or  changed their mind, or were overruled, or as some claim, maybe didn't  have the authority to grant it in the first place. Doesn't matter what I wanted the name is gone and whining about it won't bring it back.

At this point in time I prefer to distance the University from the old name. It was something out of my control and out of the control of the coaches players and Kelly. We have wasted too much time and money over something that really doesn't matter all that much. Some seem to spend more time worrying about the nickname than we do about winning games and moving the University forward. The people on the reservations, who could have taken the necessary steps to keep the name  didn't.  There is nothing sacred or meaningful about a nickname or mascot.  Most of them are animals, mythical creatures or legends.  One of my Chippewa friends once commented that we should have changed the name to Chippewa cuz they were the ones who defeated the Sioux and drove them west into the Dakotas. Who the hell cares that the name is now Fighting Hawks?  Wan't even on my radar as a choice but I really don't care. I do care about our athletes coaches and programs and know we need to move forward.

You can be a sheepdog and piss on a fire hydrant and you will be just as far ahead as you will chasing windmills and ranting about a name.  How about we focus on what is more important right now such as  increasing our resources for our athletic teams and university and improving our chance of success.  We have a better chance of accomplishing something and we can each make a difference.

25 Years ago I spent some time in the sand. If I can stand to hear a bunch of college idiots being disrespectful during the national anthem instead of honoring those who gave their lives , than you should be able to stand for a change in the name.

[dakotadan]

1 hour ago, darell1976 said:

 

 

This Marquette?

Yes, that Marquette. And you might want to look into their nickname history and how their alumni and fans voicing their opinion has influenced their nickname. 

[darell1976]

14 minutes ago, dakotadan said:

Yes, that Marquette. And you might want to look into their nickname history and how their alumni and fans voicing their opinion has influenced their nickname. 

Looks like Marquette had a vote, and Warriors won't be coming back anytime soon being 11 years from their last nickname vote.

  

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Marquette's intercollegiate athletic teams were the "Warriors" from May 1954 to July 1994 when the nickname was changed to the "Golden Eagles", on the grounds that previous logos had been disrespectful to Native Americans. The football team was known as "Golden Avalanche" through its final season in 1960, and other teams were known as "Warriors," "Blue and Gold," and "Hilltoppers".^[71] The Marquette Warriors (the nickname that preceded Golden Eagles) won the NCAA basketball championship in 1977.^[72] In 2004, Marquette began to consider changing the name back to Warriors, but instead the Board of Trustees changed the nickname to simply "Gold". An intensely negative reaction by students, faculty, alumni, and fans led to yet another series of votes, which eventually pitted "Golden Eagles" against "Hilltoppers". Respondents were told in advance that write-in votes for "Warriors" would not be tabulated, although those results were later released, and "Golden Eagles" was restored in June 2005.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marquette_University#People

[MrEdway]

At the game in Denver Friday night. Heard plenty of Let's Go Sioux.  Saw lots of Sioux jerseys. Saw no Fighting Hawks gear. Heard no Fighting Hawks cheers. Only time I heard Fighting Hawks was over the PA when the Sioux scored a goal.

[NoiseInsideMyHead]

25 minutes ago, MrEdway said:

At the game in Denver Friday night. Heard plenty of Let's Go Sioux.  Saw lots of Sioux jerseys. Saw no Fighting Hawks gear. Heard no Fighting Hawks cheers. Only time I heard Fighting Hawks was over the PA when the Sioux scored a goal.

Hmmm...of all the places for a grass-roots movement in support of the Fighting Hawks, I figured Denver would be high on the list.

[niouxsiouxfan]

On 2/17/2016 at 6:07 PM, NoiseInsideMyHead said:

Hmmm...of all the places for a grass-roots movement in support of the Fighting Hawks, I figured Denver would be high on the list.

i like what you did there!

[Brucesky02]

I don't understand why...but the story on the Sioux merchandise found its way to the ESPN college sports homepage. All I can figure is they have some algorithm that determined I wanted to see it based on my IP.

[The Sicatoka]

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NCAA officials did not respond to repeated email and phone messages.

http://espn.go.com/college-sports/story/_/id/14801908/north-dakota-sells-fighting-sioux-items-satisfy-ncaa-settlement

Not surprised. 

[ScottM]

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"They all are incorporating some element of the old Fighting Sioux logo onto the Fighting Hawks," Schafer said. "And we're not going there."

I doubt that will stop the aspirations of some.

[XCheck]

All three of the choices were weak and the Fighting Hawks nickname is lame at best.  Of course having had the best nickname in college sports for decades, we had nowhere to go but down.  

[darell1976]

29 minutes ago, XCheck said:

All three of the choices were weak and the Fighting Hawks nickname is lame at best.  Of course having had the best nickname in college sports for decades, we had nowhere to go but down.  

Your last sentence could be said by every school or team from Elementry through the pros who has had a nickname for decades and decades only to have the PC police change it. 

[XCheck]

28 minutes ago, XCheck said:

All three of the choices were weak and the Fighting Hawks nickname is lame at best.  Of course having had the best nickname in college sports for decades, we had nowhere to go but down.  

Like many others, I have been very frustrated about having our nickname taken away.  It has been hard too accept.  However, we owe it to UND athletes that lay it on the line for their team and school to get behind this new name.  It can't inspire the athletes to hear the new name denigrated. They keep putting up the W's and that is what counts.

[johndahl]

How about this for Fighting 'Hawks?

[UNDBIZ]

1 hour ago, johndahl said:

How about this for Fighting 'Hawks?

Change the colors and I like it but doubt it'll happen. Using an "S" would be hard to explain too. Is that from an old Sioux jersey? 

[NoiseInsideMyHead]

3 hours ago, johndahl said:

How about this for Fighting 'Hawks?

Don't know why I never noticed it before..."Here come your University of North Dakota Spearfishing Yellow Snakes"!  Is it too late to suggest a new name?

[Blackheart]

5 hours ago, XCheck said:

Like many others, I have been very frustrated about having our nickname taken away.  It has been hard too accept.  However, we owe it to UND athletes that lay it on the line for their team and school to get behind this new name.  It can't inspire the athletes to hear the new name denigrated. They keep putting up the W's and that is what counts.

So you're saying you have to support the nickname to support the team?  I'm not sure I buy that.

[yababy8]

"Right now people are holding on to the old one because there isn't an alternative," Schafer said. "There's nothing else there."

Sure Ed, just like the Sioux fans chanting "Sioux Forever" last season were only doing so to honor the last group of seniors to wear the Sioux jersey...

It"s simply amazing how in line our leaders are to the nararative of the agenda.  

But I do love how they are failing to accomplish their final act-shaming Sioux fans.  "Support the student athletes" is about all they have left..  Really?? I think most of the atheletes are all about the Sioux name, or they don't really care... comon, were going to make victims out of the atheletes over the name now? REALLY?

 

Remember, A name is what you call yourself.  Go Sioux!

[darell1976]

8 hours ago, Blackheart said:

So you're saying you have to support the nickname to support the team?  I'm not sure I buy that.

You don't have to support the new name, but don't be a jackass by booing it is the point. Go ahead and cheer go Sioux all you wish....some choose to cheer go Hawks.

[jdub27]

7 hours ago, yababy8 said:

But I do love how they are failing to accomplish their final act-shaming Sioux fans.  "Support the student athletes" is about all they have left..  Really?? I think most of the atheletes are all about the Sioux name, or they don't really care... comon, were going to make victims out of the atheletes over the name now? REALLY?

I'd tell you that you're wrong but you would know that if you looked at student-athletes that aren't men's hockey players. But that might prevent you from being able to play the victim card since you are being "shamed" so that's understandably inconvenient.

Also, I'm not sure how most of the student-athletes could even be all about the Sioux name since I'm pretty sure there isn't a single one left on campus who wore the Sioux name/logo in competition.

[UND1983]

7 hours ago, yababy8 said:

 

But I do love how they are failing to accomplish their final act-shaming Sioux fans.  "Support the student athletes" is about all they have left..  Really?? I think most of the atheletes are all about the Sioux name, or they don't really care... comon, were going to make victims out of the atheletes over the name now?

Hockey players.  They are the one's who act like they know what it's like to wear the Sioux jersey and won't acknowledge the change.  

The rest of the sports are embracing the change.  

[InHeavenThereIsNoBeer]

7 minutes ago, UND1983 said:

Hockey players.  They are the one's who act like they know what it's like to wear the Sioux jersey and won't acknowledge the change.  

The rest of the sports are embracing the change.  

I don't think you have to wear the jersey to understand the culture that still exists within the Men's hockey program.  I've heard many players and coaches still let a "play Sioux hockey" slip.  Maybe some of the other sports could benefit from this attitude as the hockey team is the most successful on campus?  I'm really sick of people singling out hockey players and "hockey only fans" too, as if those fans are somehow above it.  Yes we are changing nicknames and it may take Men's hockey longer but IMO they embraced the Sioux name more than other sports so could be part of it. 

[UND1981]

10 minutes ago, InHeavenThereIsNoBeer said:

I'm really sick of people singling out hockey players and "hockey only fans" too, as if those fans are somehow above it. 

Agreed.   

[UND1983]

11 minutes ago, InHeavenThereIsNoBeer said:

I don't think you have to wear the jersey to understand the culture that still exists within the Men's hockey program.  I've heard many players and coaches still let a "play Sioux hockey" slip.  Maybe some of the other sports could benefit from this attitude as the hockey team is the most successful on campus?  I'm really sick of people singling out hockey players and "hockey only fans" too, as if those fans are somehow above it.  Yes we are changing nicknames and it may take Men's hockey longer but IMO they embraced the Sioux name more than other sports so could be part of it. 

Above what?

[darell1976]

26 minutes ago, InHeavenThereIsNoBeer said:

I don't think you have to wear the jersey to understand the culture that still exists within the Men's hockey program.  I've heard many players and coaches still let a "play Sioux hockey" slip.  Maybe some of the other sports could benefit from this attitude as the hockey team is the most successful on campus?  I'm really sick of people singling out hockey players and "hockey only fans" too, as if those fans are somehow above it.  Yes we are changing nicknames and it may take Men's hockey longer but IMO they embraced the Sioux name more than other sports so could be part of it. 

Only because they had a building built with a thousand Sioux logos and had a giant Sioux logo on their jersey, or else the football team wore a Sioux logo on their jersey, had Sioux in the endzones and had a couple Sioux logos at Memorial Stadium, the basketball teams has Sioux on their court to this day, they did have Sioux on their jerseys but yet all those sports got over losing the name and fans of those sports starting embracing the new name, except hockey because it's the hockey only crowd that still wants Sioux back at all costs, it's the hockey only crowd you hear booing the new name over the PA, so don't blame us for calling a duck a duck.