niouxsiouxfan Posted November 21, 2015 Posted November 21, 2015 That's bull$%!#. If they want this thing to work they should allow anyone to submit. A local artist could get way more support (Ben Brein) and would actually understand what was so special about fighting sioux and what the standard is for UND.Completely agree. Saw this on other thread. They should have the logo designed by someone local and/or within UND.https://www.change.org/p/the-university-of-northd-dakota-fighting-hawks-logo?recruiter=22043669&utm_source=share_petition&utm_medium=facebook&utm_campaign=share_page&utm_term=mob-xs-share_petition-custom_msg Quote
geaux_sioux Posted November 21, 2015 Author Posted November 21, 2015 Anyone on here have any experience/knowledge about copyright laws? PM me please. Quote
bigskyvikes Posted November 21, 2015 Posted November 21, 2015 Reason I did not want Hawks as the nickname. Example of how we are now just one of many Hawk schools, not even getting it correct Check out @UNDSID's Tweet: https://twitter.com/UNDSID/status/668094589664784384?s=09 Quote
tnt Posted November 21, 2015 Posted November 21, 2015 And absolutely will never be allowed.I agree, probably won't happen, but it isn't a headdress and feathers are a part of birds. This would be the perfect tie to the past like the Herald talked about, while not being blatant. Quote
Hayduke Posted November 21, 2015 Posted November 21, 2015 Check out @UNDSID's Tweet: https://twitter.com/UNDSID/status/668094589664784384?s=09These things will happen with new name. It'll happen less in the future. But it will happen. Hey, at least it wasn't saying UND Bison. Quote
4evrSIOUX Posted November 21, 2015 Posted November 21, 2015 I was at the game last night. The Sioux chants were as loud as ever. Everyone has really embraced this fabulous new nickname. I was glad the annoucers said North Dakota and not FH. The only Hawks I heard all night was a couple of SCSU fans screaming "let's go Hawks". The many North Dakota fans around him just looked at him. Boy, do we love our new nickname! Quote
obborg Posted November 21, 2015 Posted November 21, 2015 The fact that the last logo's designer was an alum was an important ingredient to its uniqueness, and ultimately its success. For them to slam the door on the toes of any potential homegrown creativity is a bullet in the foot. Quote
dagies Posted November 21, 2015 Posted November 21, 2015 The fact that the last logo's designer was an alum was an important ingredient to its uniqueness, and ultimately its success. For them to slam the door on the toes of any potential homegrown creativity is a bullet in the foot.Completely agree Quote
UNDBIZ Posted November 21, 2015 Posted November 21, 2015 A marketing firm could submit a proposal that involves crowd-sourcing logo ideas. I'm still holding out some hope for this process. Quote
dakotadan Posted November 21, 2015 Posted November 21, 2015 Check out @UNDSID's Tweet: https://twitter.com/UNDSID/status/668094589664784384?s=09I'm just impressed that the UND SID twitter account actually tweeted something about UND and not some MLB crap. I don't think that my lack of confidence in any person sitting in an office at UND could get much lower right now. 1 Quote
Sodacker Posted November 21, 2015 Posted November 21, 2015 "The university will soon issue a Request for Proposal (RFP) inviting professional marketing firms to submit proposals for development of a graphic identity, including a logo and style guidelines, to accompany the new nickname.UND is not soliciting or accepting graphic identity suggestions from other parties. The selected vendor will work with UND stakeholders to develop potential identities."There is no way that the agency that gets this proposal submits anything close to what was going around on the Internet as a hawk logo. I do hope they get the message that a Fighting Hawk doesn't have to be a bird ie: it could tie in with the school and regions aviation history. It went so well last time bringing in the professionals why wouldn't we double down. I thought that we could pick a name and move on but if this continues it may very well linger until we have to do this all again. Getting a great logo would be the only saving grace and getting some random company to create our logo doesn't bode well for it. Quote
dakotadan Posted November 21, 2015 Posted November 21, 2015 Hey, at least it wasn't saying UND Bison. NDSU BisonDickinson State Blue HawksMiami University Red Hawks 12 in one hand, a dozen in the other. We have about as generic a name as we can possibly get. So what does it matter what school we are mistaken for? 1 Quote
Goon Posted November 21, 2015 Posted November 21, 2015 (edited) I'm just impressed that the UND SID twitter account actually tweeted something about UND and not some MLB crap. I don't think that my lack of confidence in any person sitting in an office at UND could get much lower right now. That's Jayson personal twitter account and he's a big MLB fan. The @UNDMHockey twitter account is the one that go for UND hockey info. Edited November 21, 2015 by Goon Quote
dagies Posted November 21, 2015 Posted November 21, 2015 A marketing firm could submit a proposal that involves crowd-sourcing logo ideas. I'm still holding out some hope for this process. I hope so but this "professional marketing firm" thing just scares me Quote
NoiseInsideMyHead Posted November 22, 2015 Posted November 22, 2015 I hope so but this "professional marketing firm" thing just scares mePick a product you like, any product. Look at it. Look at its packaging, its design, its logo. Look at its advertising. 99.9999% of all of that was created by professionals. And whatever input the owner had, I'm pretty sure that was vetted by the pros as well.Design is part art, part science, part process, part emotion, part listening, part understanding, part luck, part skill, part passion, and part ego.It seems a little premature to write off UND on this one. We can only hope the toxic atmosphere of the nickname debate doesn't scare away the best designers. 3 Quote
dagies Posted November 22, 2015 Posted November 22, 2015 Pick a product you like, any product. Look at it. Look at its packaging, its design, its logo. Look at its advertising. 99.9999% of all of that was created by professionals. And whatever input the owner had, I'm pretty sure that was vetted by the pros as well.Design is part art, part science, part process, part emotion, part listening, part understanding, part luck, part skill, part passion, and part ego.It seems a little premature to write off UND on this one. We can only hope the toxic atmosphere of the nickname debate doesn't scare away the best designers.I thought about that. And you're right and maybe that will work. I see the majority of sports logos and I am not encouraged. You hire a firm that does this, and you get one like everyone else's. Not that many are all that great, IMO.Maybe it will work. I hope so. I'd be more comfortable knowing that someone who has some passion for the topic is involved, vs. someone working for a paycheck. Quote
tnt Posted November 22, 2015 Posted November 22, 2015 I thought about that. And you're right and maybe that will work. I see the majority of sports logos and I am not encouraged. You hire a firm that does this, and you get one like everyone else's. Not that many are all that great, IMO.Maybe it will work. I hope so. I'd be more comfortable knowing that someone who has some passion for the topic is involved, vs. someone working for a paycheck. Especially if they are trying to create something that will not have any hint of offensiveness or controversy. 1 Quote
Old Time Hockey Posted November 22, 2015 Posted November 22, 2015 From Twitter:52m Tom Miller @tommillergfUND wins 45-21 over Cal Poly. Watch ESPNU at 10 a.m. to see if Fawks make the FCS playoff field. What the Fawk is a Fawk Tom? 1 Quote
Cratter Posted November 22, 2015 Posted November 22, 2015 I'm so proud of my alma mater. John BuccigrossVerified account@BuccigrossJohn Buccigross Retweeted Eli DuncanFighting Hawks? Don't like it. Sounds like an elementary school nickname. Quote
geaux_sioux Posted November 23, 2015 Author Posted November 23, 2015 I've applied for a copyright on my logo design so now I feel better about posting them. I've digitalized them in illustrator and did a couple quick photoshop renderings with hypothetical merchandise. Again, let me know what you think and feel free to be very critical because I'm dead serious about pursuing this. Another thing to remember is that even though UND said they will not accept outside submissions it is America after all and if there is enough support for a good idea I feel they would be open to a logo designed by a local artist who happens to be an alum and former athlete at UND. It would also save a ton of money so there's that. 3 Quote
geaux_sioux Posted November 23, 2015 Author Posted November 23, 2015 This is how the logo would look with different backdrops 4 Quote
geaux_sioux Posted November 23, 2015 Author Posted November 23, 2015 (edited) And some merchfighting hawks trucker hat.pdffighting hawks green hat.pdf Edited November 23, 2015 by geaux_sioux 3 Quote
Ray77 Posted November 23, 2015 Posted November 23, 2015 And some mercyfighting hawks trucker hat.pdffighting hawks green hat.pdfVery nice! Not sure how realistic this is, but I really hope this is the new logo. I can't imagine a professional firm coming up with anything even close to this...they'll come up with something very generic and vanilla. This is a great logo with some slight ties to the past. Nice job! 2 Quote
geaux_sioux Posted November 23, 2015 Author Posted November 23, 2015 Very nice! Not sure how realistic this is, but I really hope this is the new logo. I can't imagine a professional firm coming up with anything even close to this...they'll come up with something very generic and vanilla. This is a great logo with some slight ties to the past. Nice job!That's the thing, if we want the logo out of our hands we can sit on them. Or, we can spread better options around and show alternatives. I think we all know that a logo by an alum would help the new nickname catch on faster and sell better. I want Ben Brein to do the logo but I'm not dumb enough to assume they would even contact him so i figured I would take some initiative and hopefully create something decent. Quote
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