UND and the Big Sky could go FBS

[dmksioux]

1 hour ago, SiouxVolley said:

Big 12 Commish Bob Bowlsby was quoted in the Des Moines Register that an NCAA split is likely coming.  Possibly a school would have to be FBS plus a few higher basketball conferences like the Big East, A10, WCC, and MVC.  Approximately half the DI school would get demoted.

That is the biggest reason that UND should move up.

Not sure what you mean by this.  If you are talking about a P5-G6 split, then why would UND have to move up now?  The WAC, or whatever FBS conference you believe UND is getting in to, will be part of the second tier, along with many other "upper level" FCS schools.  Unless your saying the second tier won't accept FCS level conferences to move up to the second level en mass?  Which is pure speculation.  If a new level of FBS/DI football is formed, there will have to be new rules drawn up.  

[SiouxVolley]

1 hour ago, dmksioux said:

Not sure what you mean by this.  If you are talking about a P5-G6 split, then why would UND have to move up now?  The WAC, or whatever FBS conference you believe UND is getting in to, will be part of the second tier, along with many other "upper level" FCS schools.  Unless your saying the second tier won't accept FCS level conferences to move up to the second level en mass?  Which is pure speculation.  If a new level of FBS/DI football is formed, there will have to be new rules drawn up.  

A P5 line is too exclusive.  An FBS line plus other power basketball conferences is more inclusive and would be almost half of the current DI.

Kennedy and Faison have more information on this than we do.

[The Sicatoka]

4 hours ago, SiouxVolley said:

Big 12 Commish Bob Bowlsby was quoted in the Des Moines Register ... 

http://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/sports/college/iowa-state/randy-peterson/2016/07/05/peterson-column/86723254/

Bowlsby says "the top 80 or so". That aligns roughly to what Nick Saban and Karl Benson (SBC commish) were saying five years ago. Now this guy with this same smoke. 

[SIOUXFAN97]

1 hour ago, The Sicatoka said:

http://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/sports/college/iowa-state/randy-peterson/2016/07/05/peterson-column/86723254/

Bowlsby says "the top 80 or so". That aligns roughly to what Nick Saban and Karl Benson (SBC commish) were saying five years ago. Now this guy with this same smoke. 

if we end up being number 81 like we were thirty years ago ill be pissed...

[dmksioux]

44 minutes ago, SIOUXFAN97 said:

if we end up being number 81 like we were thirty years ago ill be pissed...

I have no idea if or how this split will occur, but if it does, UND won't be included in the top tier of FBS/DI whatever you want to call it.  We aren't even in the top 100 DI schools.  The best we can hope for is the second tier.

[nodakvindy]

CBS and Turner are paying 1.1 billion a year for March Madness until 2032.  You don't kill the goose that lays the golden eggs. 

[bison73]

2 minutes ago, nodakvindy said:

CBS and Turner are paying 1.1 billion a year for March Madness until 2032.  You don't kill the goose that lays the golden eggs. 

What ever happens in football will have no effect on that.

[Herd]

7 hours ago, SiouxVolley said:

Big 12 Commish Bob Bowlsby was quoted in the Des Moines Register that an NCAA split is likely coming.  Possibly a school would have to be FBS plus a few higher basketball conferences like the Big East, A10, WCC, and MVC.  Approximately half the DI school would get demoted.

That is the biggest reason that UND should move up.

What's the difference whether you move up and are demoted from the top level, or whether you are FCS and not part of top level?  Either way you will be able to move to tier II.  It doesn't matter if you move up or not, you won't be part of tier I.

[ArchyAlum11]

Seeing as how a budget shortfall just forced und to disband mens baseball I don't think the school will be taking on the extra scholarships that FBS requires.

[Siouxperfan7]

SiouxVolley, I wish you would turn the debate from how UND is going to go FBS to whther or not UND wants to go FBS and can the afford it.  After cutting two programs in the last couple months, I don't think that UND is in the financial status to be looking at adding all these scholarships as well as other expenses that will increase with an FBS move.  I have heard absolutely nothing from Faison or any of the Presidents we have had here even make a hint that UND is looking into this.  YOu have all these scenarios of how it is going to happen but ZERO evidence that UND even wants to do it?  (Or anoy other Big Sky school for that matter).  

[southpaw]

51 minutes ago, Siouxperfan7 said:

SiouxVolley, I wish you would turn the debate from how UND is going to go FBS to whther or not UND wants to go FBS and can the afford it.  After cutting two programs in the last couple months, I don't think that UND is in the financial status to be looking at adding all these scholarships as well as other expenses that will increase with an FBS move.  I have heard absolutely nothing from Faison or any of the Presidents we have had here even make a hint that UND is looking into this.  YOu have all these scenarios of how it is going to happen but ZERO evidence that UND even wants to do it?  (Or anoy other Big Sky school for that matter).  

Didn't you hear? Those crickets mean something big is going to happen. 

[mksioux]

On 7/5/2016 at 9:36 PM, Cratter said:

...or the best you can hope for is beating Jacksonville state in front of 20,000 in a place called Frisco.

I'll take that please.  Where can we sign up?

[Cratter]

2 hours ago, mksioux said:

I'll take that please.  Where can we sign up?

The 80s, 90s, or  00s, when UNDs best hope was to beat Grand Valleys in a high school stadium in some place called Florence.

 

..kind of ironic.

[mksioux]

13 minutes ago, Cratter said:

The 80s, 90s, or  00s, when UND was happy to hope to beat Grand Valleys in a high school stadium in some place called Florence.

 

..kind of ironic.

That was fun too.  

[SiouxVolley]

12 hours ago, Siouxperfan7 said:

SiouxVolley, I wish you would turn the debate from how UND is going to go FBS to whther or not UND wants to go FBS and can the afford it.  After cutting two programs in the last couple months, I don't think that UND is in the financial status to be looking at adding all these scholarships as well as other expenses that will increase with an FBS move.  I have heard absolutely nothing from Faison or any of the Presidents we have had here even make a hint that UND is looking into this.  YOu have all these scenarios of how it is going to happen but ZERO evidence that UND even wants to do it?  (Or anoy other Big Sky school for that matter).  

FBS is easier to afford than FCS if a school has a stadium of greater than 15 k.  Cutting baseball and men's golf may have been a cost cutting move on paper, but it also prepared the way for FBS as UND wouldn't have Title IX issues which would have made FBS vastly more expensive.

Why did the Big Sky go to 12 full members and 14 football members if it didn't have something up its sleeve?  The Montanas told the rest of the Big Sky that they were WAC bound if they didn't accept UND and USD.  Having a Dakota presence is big for the Montanas, but why?  It certainly hasn't paid dividends for them up to this point.  This is a long game where all the cards haven't been played yet.  The Montanas in 2011 were not ready for FBS.  They have made progress on that front.  That concept of planning long term is lacking among many posters.

[bison73]

28 minutes ago, SiouxVolley said:

FBS is easier to afford than FCS if a school has a stadium of greater than 15 k.  Cutting baseball and men's golf may have been a cost cutting move on paper, but it also prepared the way for FBS as UND wouldn't have Title IX issues which would have made FBS vastly more expensive.

Why did the Big Sky go to 12 full members and 14 football members if it didn't have something up its sleeve?  The Montanas told the rest of the Big Sky that they were WAC bound if they didn't accept UND and USD.  Having a Dakota presence is big for the Montanas, but why?  It certainly hasn't paid dividends for them up to this point.  This is a long game where all the cards haven't been played yet.  The Montanas in 2011 were not ready for FBS.  They have made progress on that front.  That concept of planning long term is lacking among many posters.

That certainly is a lot of extrapolation.

[nd1sufan]

1 hour ago, SiouxVolley said:

FBS is easier to afford than FCS if a school has a stadium of greater than 15 k.  Cutting baseball and men's golf may have been a cost cutting move on paper, but it also prepared the way for FBS as UND wouldn't have Title IX issues which would have made FBS vastly more expensive.

Why did the Big Sky go to 12 full members and 14 football members if it didn't have something up its sleeve?  The Montanas told the rest of the Big Sky that they were WAC bound if they didn't accept UND and USD.  Having a Dakota presence is big for the Montanas, but why?  It certainly hasn't paid dividends for them up to this point.  This is a long game where all the cards haven't been played yet.  The Montanas in 2011 were not ready for FBS.  They have made progress on that front.  That concept of planning long term is lacking among many posters.

What good does a 20k seat stadium do if you only get 8k to go to the games? Who is going to get excited about UTGVU or Lamar or any of the teams in your WAC/BSC? Besides the extra expense for scholarships, your football salaries will probably have to triple to be average in the G5 level of FBS. My guess is the Idaho coach is one of if not the lowest paid HC in the FBS and he makes 2-3 times what Bubba makes. You would have to pay your coordinators a lot more than Bubba is making now. An FBS move to this conference will be a financial drain, not a financial winfall. 

 

[SIOUXFAN97]

42 minutes ago, nd1sufan said:

What good does a 20k seat stadium do if you only get 8k to go to the games? Who is going to get excited about UTGVU or Lamar or any of the teams in your WAC/BSC? Besides the extra expense for scholarships, your football salaries will probably have to triple to be average in the G5 level of FBS. My guess is the Idaho coach is one of if not the lowest paid HC in the FBS and he makes 2-3 times what Bubba makes. You would have to pay your coordinators a lot more than Bubba is making now. An FBS move to this conference will be a financial drain, not a financial winfall. 

 

to make money you have to spend money...

"hey ralph you sure you wanna build 15k seat hockey arena?"...said the dumbest pos ever...

[jdub27]

11 hours ago, SiouxVolley said:

Cutting baseball and men's golf may have been a cost cutting move on paper, but it also prepared the way for FBS as UND wouldn't have Title IX issues which would have made FBS vastly more expensive.

Unintended results. There was zero thought given to an FBS move while the decision was being made, especially considering they tried to find ways to save both sports and cutting them was a last resort and was directed by Schafer. UND would still have Title IX issues without adding additional scholarships if they moved up to FBS. There were only 6-7 scholarships cut, going FBS would add 22.

[Gothmog]

It's interesting to note that the conversation in this thread has shifted from discussions of when and how UND would move up to why UND should move up.

Progress, I guess.

 

[Siouxperfan7]

45 minutes ago, Gothmog said:

It's interesting to note that the conversation in this thread has shifted from discussions of when and how UND would move up to why UND should move up.

Progress, I guess.

 

Could they.......maybe

Should they......No

Will they......No.

Why are we still talking about this?!!

[SiouxVolley]

1 hour ago, Gothmog said:

It's interesting to note that the conversation in this thread has shifted from discussions of when and how UND would move up to why UND should move up.

Progress, I guess.

 

Since bizon trolls are such all-knowing of everything FCS, why does Wichita St hate the idea of the MVFC?  That has never been answered here even though even Kolpack has written about it.

Why does the Wichita St President want FBS and seems likely they will get a football only invite?  Which conference will give them that invite?  Those questions have never been answered by trolls.

Wichita St is a lot like UND.  Basketball school vs hockey school.  Similar enrollments.  Both emphasize aerospace, business, and entreprenship.  Why would Wichita St be after FBS, when they could be in the penultimate FCS conference, but clearly reject  it.?

[JohnboyND7]

11 minutes ago, SiouxVolley said:

Since bizon trolls are such all-knowing of everything FCS, why does Wichita St hate the idea of the MVFC?  That has never been answered here even though even Kolpack has written about it.

Why does the Wichita St President want FBS and seems likely they will get a football only invite?  Which conference will give them that invite?  Those questions have never been answered by trolls.

Wichita St is a lot like UND.  Basketball school vs hockey school.  Similar enrollments.  Both emphasize aerospace, business, and entreprenship.  Why would Wichita St be after FBS, when they could be in the penultimate FCS conference, but clearly reject  it.?

Because being FCS does nothing for their brand.

[SiouxVolley]

8 minutes ago, JohnboyND7 said:

Because being FCS does nothing for their brand.

Would argue the same for UND, as hockey will predominate football at the FCS level.

 

Whereas at NDSU, FCS is where they hang their hat.

[Gothmog]

1 hour ago, SiouxVolley said:

Since bizon trolls are such all-knowing of everything FCS, why does Wichita St hate the idea of the MVFC?  That has never been answered here even though even Kolpack has written about it.

Why does the Wichita St President want FBS and seems likely they will get a football only invite?  Which conference will give them that invite?  Those questions have never been answered by trolls.

Wichita St is a lot like UND.  Basketball school vs hockey school.  Similar enrollments.  Both emphasize aerospace, business, and entreprenship.  Why would Wichita St be after FBS, when they could be in the penultimate FCS conference, but clearly reject  it.?

Is there a point hiding somewhere in your post?