UNDBIZ Posted February 10, 2016 Share Posted February 10, 2016 8 minutes ago, The Sicatoka said: UND must maintain and retain the trademark. See the Settlement Agreement, section 2.j "Intellectual Property". To maintain and retain a trademark (a trade mark) the mark must be used in trade, or as section 2.j says "commercial use". Trade or commercial use means sales of goods with the name or logo. It's not that difficult. But what about the illuminati? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdub27 Posted February 10, 2016 Author Share Posted February 10, 2016 3 hours ago, UNDBIZ said: But what about the illuminati? I bet even they would be in awe with some of the conspiracy theories that have come out of the nickname saga. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FSSD Posted February 10, 2016 Share Posted February 10, 2016 Everyone is missing the issue here... the issue is that these items are not available online. So, only locals have a chance at getting this merchandise. THAT IS JUST WRONG AND IT MUST STOPPED. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
obborg Posted February 11, 2016 Share Posted February 11, 2016 1 hour ago, The Sicatoka said: UND must maintain and retain the trademark. Then what is the NCAA's hidden motivation for forcing us to retain it? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigskyvikes Posted February 11, 2016 Share Posted February 11, 2016 Hahaha, I had to come on here and see the melt down happening because of that beautiful Sioux gear for sale! I wish I could predict winning numbers this good! For whoever said the REA is behind this....wow! Read a little, this has been in the paper and many other places stating this was coming so people and the tribes couldn't start selling Sioux gear because UND gave it up and isn't using it anymore. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigskyvikes Posted February 11, 2016 Share Posted February 11, 2016 2 hours ago, runaroundsioux said: There is an old saying "The wound will heal,but the scar still remains." A few on here have become a little over zealous with their "demand" that the "Sioux Only", "Hockey Only", "Sioux Forever" crowd ,or whatever other derogatory term you come up with, "adapt and accept" the new name, and that you're not a "true fan"if you don't. It may or may not happen. Continually sticking your finger in the wound isn't going to help the healing process. That a few dozen sweatshirts would send you off into a conspiracy tizzy is a little disconcerting. In other words, lighten up. Good stuff here! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Sicatoka Posted February 11, 2016 Share Posted February 11, 2016 13 hours ago, obborg said: Then what is the NCAA's hidden motivation for forcing us to retain it? Control. The NCAA wants that logo under the control of an organization (UND) the NCAA can control (or is it manipulate). Were UND to give up the trademark rights the mark goes to the open market (loss of control for both UND and the NCAA). Again, it's not that difficult. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UND1983 Posted February 11, 2016 Share Posted February 11, 2016 16 hours ago, runaroundsioux said: There is an old saying "The wound will heal,but the scar still remains." A few on here have become a little over zealous with their "demand" that the "Sioux Only", "Hockey Only", "Sioux Forever" crowd ,or whatever other derogatory term you come up with, "adapt and accept" the new name, and that you're not a "true fan"if you don't. It may or may not happen. Continually sticking your finger in the wound isn't going to help the healing process. That a few dozen sweatshirts would send you off into a conspiracy tizzy is a little disconcerting. In other words, lighten up. It was a nickname of a college. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
obborg Posted February 11, 2016 Share Posted February 11, 2016 1 hour ago, The Sicatoka said: Were UND to give up the trademark rights the mark goes to the open market (loss of control for both UND and the NCAA). This sentence is the truth, but not the whole truth. In fact the settlement itself provides a specific option to give up the trademark rights without letting them go to the open market. Unless you consider the tribes part of the open market. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
siouxstudent Posted February 11, 2016 Share Posted February 11, 2016 This thread...What A Time To Be Alive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hayduke Posted February 11, 2016 Share Posted February 11, 2016 FFS... in the grand scheme of things it was just a nickname. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Siouxperfan7 Posted February 11, 2016 Share Posted February 11, 2016 19 hours ago, runaroundsioux said: There is an old saying "The wound will heal,but the scar still remains." A few on here have become a little over zealous with their "demand" that the "Sioux Only", "Hockey Only", "Sioux Forever" crowd ,or whatever other derogatory term you come up with, "adapt and accept" the new name, and that you're not a "true fan"if you don't. It may or may not happen. Continually sticking your finger in the wound isn't going to help the healing process. That a few dozen sweatshirts would send you off into a conspiracy tizzy is a little disconcerting. In other words, lighten up. I have no problem with people buying these products and continuing to have Sioux apparel/merchandise/etc. Be proud of the Sioux name that we had as our nickname for so many years. I certainly am. My point was that moving forward, all of us as UND fans need to accept the new nickname. We cannot have half the fans at a UND sporting event that are wearing and yelling "Sioux" and the other wearing and yelling "Fighting Hawks". Is this really the type of culture that you think is best for UND and its athletic programs? 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InHeavenThereIsNoBeer Posted February 11, 2016 Share Posted February 11, 2016 UND Bookstore just released hats, a green and grey one with the Brien logo(neither fitted) and a fitted green hat with the geometric logo. I went with the geometric to match my new sweatshirt. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darell1976 Posted February 11, 2016 Share Posted February 11, 2016 Have they ever released hockey jerseys, with the Blackhawk logo? That would be a nice throwback jersey to get. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sprig Posted February 11, 2016 Share Posted February 11, 2016 1 hour ago, InHeavenThereIsNoBeer said: UND Bookstore just released hats, a green and grey one with the Brien logo(neither fitted) and a fitted green hat with the geometric logo. I went with the geometric to match my new sweatshirt. Siouxshop as well. Also baseball type shirts, and some other clothes items. Black Brien hats also. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Sicatoka Posted February 11, 2016 Share Posted February 11, 2016 4 hours ago, obborg said: This sentence is the truth, but not the whole truth. In fact the settlement itself provides a specific option to give up the trademark rights without letting them go to the open market. Unless you consider the tribes part of the open market. I said if UND were to "give up" the rights. That's different from assigning or transferring the rights. A transference retains control (by a tribe); giving them up (by not using them) releases them to the open market. Again, the key in this: retain control of the mark. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
82SiouxGuy Posted February 11, 2016 Share Posted February 11, 2016 3 hours ago, darell1976 said: Have they ever released hockey jerseys, with the Blackhawk logo? That would be a nice throwback jersey to get. UND doesn't have rights to use the Blackhawk logo. That is a major reason why they quit using it, along with complaints from people even then. They will not be releasing throwback jerseys with the Blackhawk logo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darell1976 Posted February 11, 2016 Share Posted February 11, 2016 2 minutes ago, 82SiouxGuy said: UND doesn't have rights to use the Blackhawk logo. That is a major reason why they quit using it, along with complaints from people even then. They will not be releasing throwback jerseys with the Blackhawk logo. That sucks. I remember when Baker discontinued use of the logo a lot of people were pissed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
82SiouxGuy Posted February 11, 2016 Share Posted February 11, 2016 3 minutes ago, darell1976 said: That sucks. I remember when Baker discontinued use of the logo a lot of people were pissed. That was right around the time that the Standing Rock Tribal Council had their first vote asking UND to quit using the Sioux nickname. I don't remember the actual timeline as to which came first. But the main reason UND quit using the logo was because the Chicago Blackhawks told them to quit using it. UND didn't really have a lot of choice in the matter if I recall. The geometric had been used for quite a while before that, so they went with it as the main logo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
90siouxfan Posted February 11, 2016 Share Posted February 11, 2016 5 hours ago, Siouxperfan7 said: I have no problem with people buying these products and continuing to have Sioux apparel/merchandise/etc. Be proud of the Sioux name that we had as our nickname for so many years. I certainly am. My point was that moving forward, all of us as UND fans need to accept the new nickname. We cannot have half the fans at a UND sporting event that are wearing and yelling "Sioux" and the other wearing and yelling "Fighting Hawks". Is this really the type of culture that you think is best for UND and its athletic programs? Do you think this will cause fans to stop coming? Or players to quit playing? Maybe an old cheer from the eighties will develop, Taste Great, Less Filling.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackheart Posted February 12, 2016 Share Posted February 12, 2016 6 hours ago, 90siouxfan said: Do you think this will cause fans to stop coming? Or players to quit playing? Maybe an old cheer from the eighties will develop, Taste Great, Less Filling.... Wow! Sounds like chaos. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CMSioux Posted February 12, 2016 Share Posted February 12, 2016 If UND were to transfer/give rights to the O'Brien logo to Spirit Lake it would become the NCAA's worst nightmare. It wouldn't take long for it to become even more rampant. Either they would screw up the process for protecting the logo by failing to protect unauthorized use (they would need to be diligent about monitoring and addressing unlicensed use) or even worse handing it over to the company that manage their casino, who seeing the marketing value would flood the market. I highly doubt UND would ever consider this option. As it remains they can make a run of clothing every so often and make a nice little chunk of change - and if it is available every year there will always be students that gravitate toward it. This logo is never going away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post petey23 Posted February 12, 2016 Popular Post Share Posted February 12, 2016 On 2/10/2016 at 11:34 AM, stoneySIOUX said: 2 hours ago, CMSioux said: If UND were to transfer/give rights to the O'Brien logo to Spirit Lake it would become the NCAA's worst nightmare. It wouldn't take long for it to become even more rampant. Either they would screw up the process for protecting the logo by failing to protect unauthorized use (they would need to be diligent about monitoring and addressing unlicensed use) or even worse handing it over to the company that manage their casino, who seeing the marketing value would flood the market. I highly doubt UND would ever consider this option. As it remains they can make a run of clothing every so often and make a nice little chunk of change - and if it is available every year there will always be students that gravitate toward it. This logo is never going away. This^. If UND was to turn it over to the Tribes and the Tribes were interested in making money and lots of it, they would flood the market with Sioux apparel all over North Dakota and online and Hawks apparel would barely make a blip. As it is with UND in control of the logo they have control of how and when and where it is marketed. The Logo is NEVER going away......and it shouldn't ever go away completely. I know that our education system is rewriting history books but the Sioux name should always remain a part of UND's history. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dagies Posted February 12, 2016 Share Posted February 12, 2016 15 hours ago, 90siouxfan said: Do you think this will cause fans to stop coming? Or players to quit playing? Maybe an old cheer from the eighties will develop, Taste Great, Less Filling.... I had forgotten about this one! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Green Posted February 12, 2016 Share Posted February 12, 2016 If the Sioux Logo and Name is so offensive the NCAA/UND should have retired the Logo and name never to be manufactured by them again. It all about the money. Fear that no one would purchase UND or Fighting Hawk merchandise if able to purchase Sioux merchandise from another source. Once again the NCAA proves how hypocritical they are. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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