Conference Realignments - Take 2

[SIOUXFAN97]

mvc cities populations

belmont 700k (nashville)  

bradley 110k (peoria, il)

drake 212k (des moines)

evansville 115k

illinois chicago 2.6m

illinois state 55k (normal, il)

indiana state 60k (terre haute, in)

missouri state 170k (springfield mo)

murray state 17k 

northern iowa 40k (cedar falls, ia)

southern illinois 21k (cardondale il)

valporaiso 35k

about 4.1 million

 

summit league populations (missining macomb)

denver 710k

umkc 510k

omaha 500k

und 60k

ndsu 125k

oral roberts 415k

st thomas 4m minny and st paul

usd 11k

sdsu 25k

about 6.3 million

 

mvc endowment    2.1 billion (missing ui-chicago...not sure how to figure it out since it's all campuses?)

summit league endowment 2.7 billion (minus western illinois)

 

where's fenton!!!!!!!!

 

 

[FSSD]

Before the tSL goes looking for a school they need to decide what type of conference they want to be:

1)  Status quo with Olympic sports  2)  Support Hockey?  3)  Support Football?

Based on those answers.  You start your search for the right school.  I think the tSL can afford to wait and see how things shakeout over the next year or two. 

[gfNDfan]

On 5/12/2023 at 1:11 PM, SWSiouxMN said:

What was your favorite Western Illinois moment. 

...cricket...cricket...anyone?

[SiouxHawkGuy]

On 5/12/2023 at 1:11 PM, SWSiouxMN said:

What was your favorite Western Illinois moment. 

Their student broadcasts 

[SIOUXFAN97]

14 hours ago, gfNDfan said:

...cricket...cricket...anyone?

i think it was western at the betty...western's big guy got fouled hard and he was on his back....he did that move where you used force to flip yourself back onto you feet without using your hands...pretty impressive at his size

[SWSiouxMN]

14 hours ago, SiouxHawkGuy said:

Their student broadcasts 

I said FAVORITE moment.

[CMSioux]

15 hours ago, SiouxHawkGuy said:

Their student broadcasts 

The bar can never get lower. 

[HoopsFan03]

On 5/12/2023 at 1:11 PM, SWSiouxMN said:

What was your favorite Western Illinois moment. 

I’ll always remember Western Illinois for that guy that dropped 46 on Brady Danielson last season

[goyotes]

My favorite moment is March 9, 2019 when the 8 seed Necks upset the 1 seed Bunnies

[Kab]

What is the exit fee from the summit 

[SWSiouxMN]

2 minutes ago, Kab said:

What is the exit fee from the summit 

Since they are leaving so quickly

[The Sicatoka]

On 5/12/2023 at 2:56 PM, zonadub said:

Didn’t the Summit already add Lindenwood men’s soccer?

Yes and no.

The OVC announced men's soccer starting this fall. The OVC teams (including LU) playing in the Summit are going there. And now they take WIU. 

Summit men's soccer is five. 

[SWSiouxMN]

Maybe a Dakota school should start mens soccer....

I'm not saying who, just saying.

[UNDBIZ]

On 5/13/2023 at 8:31 PM, Sioux>Bison said:

Big difference between UNI and UNC, the dakotas barely belong on the same level as UNI

UNI is a regional university and the Dakotas are national universities, so yes, they don't belong on the same level.

[rochsioux]

On 5/13/2023 at 9:33 PM, SIOUXFAN97 said:

mvc cities populations

belmont 700k (nashville)  

bradley 110k (peoria, il)

drake 212k (des moines)

evansville 115k

illinois chicago 2.6m

illinois state 55k (normal, il)

indiana state 60k (terre haute, in)

missouri state 170k (springfield mo)

murray state 17k 

northern iowa 40k (cedar falls, ia)

southern illinois 21k (cardondale il)

valporaiso 35k

about 4.1 million

 

summit league populations (missining macomb)

denver 710k

umkc 510k

omaha 500k

und 60k

ndsu 125k

oral roberts 415k

st thomas 4m minny and st paul

usd 11k

sdsu 25k

about 6.3 million

 

mvc endowment    2.1 billion (missing ui-chicago...not sure how to figure it out since it's all campuses?)

summit league endowment 2.7 billion (minus western illinois)

 

where's fenton!!!!!!!!

 

 

Not sure I understand how you’re counting population here. You’ve got Chicago at 2.6m and Minneapolis/St. Paul at 4m. It looks like you are using the metro area for Minneapolis/St. Paul but just the city of Chicago?  If you use the Chicago metro area it is near 10m. 

[SIOUXFAN97]

1 hour ago, SWSiouxMN said:

Maybe a Dakota school should start mens soccer....

I'm not saying who, just saying.

watch what you say about men's soccer....i got dragged thru the mud by even mentioning it COULD/SHOULD be added

[nodak651]

Just found this... super in-depth rundown on the history of the NCC.  Pretty incredible how often the Dakota schools have flirted with the Montanas and Idaho.  The guy has a rundown on the history of every single conference.  Edit: not every conference, but worth checking out his channel.

 

[SIOUXFAN97]

43 minutes ago, rochsioux said:

Not sure I understand how you’re counting population here. You’ve got Chicago at 2.6m and Minneapolis/St. Paul at 4m. It looks like you are using the metro area for Minneapolis/St. Paul but just the city of Chicago?  If you use the Chicago metro area it is near 10m. 

just asked google....all of em are what google answered.

[zonadub]

On 5/13/2023 at 6:31 PM, Sioux>Bison said:

Big difference between UNI and UNC, the dakotas barely belong on the same level as UNI

Honest question, ‘cuz I did not stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night…

 

What is the difference between UNI, UNC and UMKC and Omaha? Aren’t they basically the same except they are located in large cities, so the city becomes their name rather than UWM (University of Western Missouri) and UEN (University of Eastern Nebraska)?

[SIOUXFAN97]

18 minutes ago, zonadub said:

Honest question, ‘cuz I did not stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night…

 

What is the difference between UNI, UNC and UMKC and Omaha? Aren’t they basically the same except they are located in large cities, so the city becomes their name rather than UWM (University of Western Missouri) and UEN (University of Eastern Nebraska)?

umkc and un-omaha are branches of the main campuses of missouri-columbia and nebraska-lincoln....uni and unc are kinda like ndac...started as ag or teacher colleges or someting and morphed into a 4 year university over time?

[SiouxHawkGuy]

1 hour ago, nodak651 said:

Just found this... super in-depth rundown on the history of the NCC.  Pretty incredible how often the Dakota schools have flirted with the Montanas and Idaho.  The guy has a rundown on the history of every single conference.  

 

Duluth and Mankato could probably go DI without football. 

[SIOUXFAN97]

5 minutes ago, SiouxHawkGuy said:

Duluth and Mankato could probably go DI without football. 

what conference?

[SiouxHawkGuy]

37 minutes ago, SIOUXFAN97 said:

what conference?

Summit

[SIOUXFAN97]

14 minutes ago, SiouxHawkGuy said:

Summit

Fenton thinks otherwise....

[FSSD]

4 hours ago, zonadub said:

Honest question, ‘cuz I did not stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night…

 

What is the difference between UNI, UNC and UMKC and Omaha? Aren’t they basically the same except they are located in large cities, so the city becomes their name rather than UWM (University of Western Missouri) and UEN (University of Eastern Nebraska)?

It is interesting to see the changes in the Summit League over the last 20 years.  Today the best ways to describe the Summit League:

• National Research Universities (R1 or R2) - R&D Exp $25 million to $165 million
• Flagship Universities (Rural) / Urban (Public/Private)
• Academic Spending over $200 million to $500 million
• US News National Rank (100 to 300)
• Med School, Law School, or Land Grant

 These are the schools that the tSL should be considering as future members.

Currently, the only outlier on this is Oral Roberts.