Sioux>Bison Posted May 30, 2023 Share Posted May 30, 2023 3 hours ago, SIOUXFAN97 said: u could....but money So you are going to have 5 schools drop their men’s soccer teams? They could find another conference at a minimum. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sioux>Bison Posted May 30, 2023 Share Posted May 30, 2023 7 hours ago, fightingsioux4life said: That was about access to East Coast media markets. What does Colorado State have to offer? They are a better academic institution than Boise St. They are one of the few schools that the Big 12 or PAC-12 would pick up if desperate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nodak651 Posted May 30, 2023 Share Posted May 30, 2023 Houston Christian (HCU) Huskies Houston, Texas Ryan Pratt Incarnate Word (UIW) Cardinals San Antonio, Texas Kiki Lara Liberty Flames Lynchburg, Va. Kelly Findley Any reason the league couldn't make a pitch to the OVC Soccer affiliates? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Sicatoka Posted May 30, 2023 Author Share Posted May 30, 2023 OVC just brought soccer in-house. That's how we got here. Pretty sure Fenton isn't going to convince TX and VA schools to fly over the OVC to the Summit. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nodak651 Posted May 30, 2023 Share Posted May 30, 2023 30 minutes ago, The Sicatoka said: OVC just brought soccer in-house. That's how we got here. Pretty sure Fenton isn't going to convince TX and VA schools to fly over the OVC to the Summit. The schools I mentioned will all be affiliates to the OVC starting this year, though, and the Texas schools are hardly passing over the OVC to get to Tulsa and Kansas City. The Summit schools are a lot easier to fly to commercially, as well. Liberty has money and could be attracted to the bigger cities and better universities in the Summit League, especially if the Texas schools join. The Summit League also has a million dollars from WIU to help sweeten the pot. Would rather pay for Soccer affiliates than add a bottom feeder D1 program for all sports. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SiouxHawkGuy Posted May 30, 2023 Share Posted May 30, 2023 https://www.cbssports.com/college-football/news/colorado-holds-substantive-talks-with-big-12-as-buffaloes-consider-leaving-pac-12/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
farce poobah Posted May 31, 2023 Share Posted May 31, 2023 4 hours ago, The Sicatoka said: OVC just brought soccer in-house. That's how we got here. Pretty sure Fenton isn't going to convince TX and VA schools to fly over the OVC to the Summit. ORU is evangelical ... so is Liberty. (HCU is Baptist and UIW is Catholic.) Yeah, I'm grasping at straws here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SWSiouxMN Posted May 31, 2023 Share Posted May 31, 2023 Or, and here me out: Fenton goes to the Dakota 4 and says: One of you start a M Soccer program. Profit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SIOUXFAN97 Posted May 31, 2023 Share Posted May 31, 2023 6 minutes ago, SWSiouxMN said: Or, and here me out: Fenton goes to the Dakota 4 and says: One of you start a M Soccer program. Profit u mean when i mentioned that und should drop mens tennis and add men's soccer....here comes the flak my man Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnboyND7 Posted May 31, 2023 Share Posted May 31, 2023 On 5/29/2023 at 4:02 PM, fightingsioux4life said: That was about access to East Coast media markets. What does Colorado State have to offer? A team in Colorado that a reasonably large number of people care about. Anyone in the Dakotas looking down on them is very tone deaf. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Sicatoka Posted May 31, 2023 Author Share Posted May 31, 2023 9 hours ago, JohnboyND7 said: A team in Colorado that a reasonably large number of people care about. Anyone in the Dakotas looking down on them is very tone deaf. CSU is a fine institution, but it's not the State University of New Jersey (aka Rutgers). Rutgers always wins because of media market (NYC eyeballs) and AAU status. Athletics? CSU. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnboyND7 Posted May 31, 2023 Share Posted May 31, 2023 3 hours ago, The Sicatoka said: CSU is a fine institution, but it's not the State University of New Jersey (aka Rutgers). Rutgers always wins because of media market (NYC eyeballs) and AAU status. Athletics? CSU. Was the hypo between Rutgers and CSU? I wasn't reading super closely Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Sicatoka Posted May 31, 2023 Author Share Posted May 31, 2023 4 minutes ago, JohnboyND7 said: Was the hypo between Rutgers and CSU? I wasn't reading super closely At mention of "east coast markets" people tend to howl about Rutgers in the B1G; it's one-dimensional thought. Conferences want multi-dimensional fits: academics, athletics, demographics. See: B1G and BTAA.org. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SIOUXFAN97 Posted June 2, 2023 Share Posted June 2, 2023 How the heck did University of South Florida get AAU status? wth and....ucf got the big12 invite over them....weird Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Sicatoka Posted June 5, 2023 Author Share Posted June 5, 2023 The Colorado Board of Regents is meeting in executive session "June 6" (but their announcement can't decide if that's Tue or Wed ). Speculation is CU from PAC to BXII is topic. (Others say they have a personnel/accountant issue.) I struggle with "to BXII" as their alumni and donor base is California, not WV/KS/OK. Or is the PAC media deal that bad it's worth the risk. We'll see. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SWSiouxMN Posted June 6, 2023 Share Posted June 6, 2023 https://www.outkick.com/colorado-arizona-big-12-pac-12-move-report/ chaos ready to start up again??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Sicatoka Posted June 6, 2023 Author Share Posted June 6, 2023 If the BXII gets CU and 'zona, don't be surprised if they go after San Diego State. It's the remaining SoCal high value proposition and takes away all of SoCal (USC/UCLA/SDSU) from the PAC. That would be the middle of the end of the PAC (the beginning was USC/USCA to B1G). SDSU to BXII would open a Mountain West slot. As much as some want to believe otherwise, I'd expect the MW to backfill from Texas if they backfill; then again the MW may just end up with remnants from an imploded PAC, specifically WasSU and OrSU (lowest value in PAC) and be happy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FSSD Posted June 6, 2023 Share Posted June 6, 2023 1 hour ago, The Sicatoka said: If the BXII gets CU and 'zona, don't be surprised if they go after San Diego State. It's the remaining SoCal high value proposition and takes away all of SoCal (USC/UCLA/SDSU) from the PAC. That would be the middle of the end of the PAC (the beginning was USC/USCA to B1G). SDSU to BXII would open a Mountain West slot. As much as some want to believe otherwise, I'd expect the MW to backfill from Texas if they backfill; then again the MW may just end up with remnants from an imploded PAC, specifically WasSU and OrSU (lowest value in PAC) and be happy. Interesting thoughts, but I would think that targeting Utah (SLC) and ASU (PHX) would be more impactful. College Athletics is about football and football is about rivalries. And those two bring the rivalries back with 'zona and BYU. Plus, it might help with state politics also. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SWSiouxMN Posted June 6, 2023 Share Posted June 6, 2023 10 minutes ago, FSSD said: Interesting thoughts, but I would think that targeting Utah (SLC) and ASU (PHX) would be more impactful. College Athletics is about football and football is about rivalries. And those two bring the rivalries back with 'zona and BYU. Plus, it might help with state politics also. Bring back the Holy War. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Sicatoka Posted June 6, 2023 Author Share Posted June 6, 2023 9 minutes ago, FSSD said: Interesting thoughts, but I would think that targeting Utah (SLC) and ASU (PHX) would be more impactful. College Athletics is about football and football is about rivalries. And those two bring the rivalries back with 'zona and BYU. Plus, it might help with state politics also. I don't disagree. The 4 Corners (UU, UA, ASU, CU) have to look tempting to the BXII. Some claim UU wants to keep aligning with Cali-Stan and UW/UO as long as possible. That's dangerous as they could be left behind. How badly does the BXII want to "dagger" the PAC? An SDSU move would be the dagger. We're in "duck mode" - seems calm on surface, paddling like mad underneath. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Sicatoka Posted June 6, 2023 Author Share Posted June 6, 2023 13 minutes ago, FSSD said: Interesting thoughts, but I would think that targeting Utah (SLC) and ASU (PHX) would be more impactful. SoCal offers access to students, alumni, and donors that few other places can rival. Lots and lots of moving parts. What's causing all this? It looks like the PAC media deal will be smaller than the BXII. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Sicatoka Posted June 6, 2023 Author Share Posted June 6, 2023 Mentioning "dagger", the MVC or the WAC could dagger the Summit right now by offering ORU. Summit would be down to four men's soccer and five (including affil UNoColo) baseball. And no great backfill options. Crazy? The MVC used to be in Tulsa. And recent MVC moves have all worked against SL interests.* *Adding Murray State to MVC and forcing them, by promises made, into MVFC knowing it would not impress Dak4; that left an OVC hole that WIU couldn't pass up which hurt the SL. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SIOUXFAN97 Posted June 6, 2023 Share Posted June 6, 2023 fenton right now...... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FSSD Posted June 6, 2023 Share Posted June 6, 2023 4 minutes ago, The Sicatoka said: Mentioning "dagger", the MVC or the WAC could dagger the Summit right now by offering ORU. Summit would be down to four men's soccer and five (including affil UNoColo) baseball. And no great backfill options. Crazy? The MVC used to be in Tulsa. And recent MVC moves have all worked against SL interests.* *Adding Murray State to MVC and forcing them, by promises made, into MVFC knowing it would not impress Dak4; that left an OVC hole that WIU couldn't pass up which hurt the SL. Oh yeah, I get the Summit League. I was never a fan of moving to the Summit League. But, there is going to be a lot of movement in the West this time. So, you are going to see opportunities popping up that were not possible before. If the 4 Dakota schools are not locked together. Then UND made a major strategic blunder. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sioux>Bison Posted June 6, 2023 Share Posted June 6, 2023 1 hour ago, FSSD said: Oh yeah, I get the Summit League. I was never a fan of moving to the Summit League. But, there is going to be a lot of movement in the West this time. So, you are going to see opportunities popping up that were not possible before. If the 4 Dakota schools are not locked together. Then UND made a major strategic blunder. NDSU and SDSU could jump to the MWC and leave UND and USD to beg the Big Sky to let them back in… Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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