Conference Realignments - Take 2

[fightingsioux4life]

1 hour ago, The Sicatoka said:

IF (<- big IF) the B1G called and asked UND to be part of the BTHC it'd be hard not to take it if nothing else to put the B1G logo on the website and jersey for the instant marketing. 

And what if the financial terms are unacceptable to UND?

[The Sicatoka]

21 minutes ago, fightingsioux4life said:

And what if the financial terms are unacceptable to UND?

" ... it'd be hard ... " <- meaning not impossible.

The numbers would have to work. That's any deal: it must be mutually beneficial. 

But it would be hard to walk away from B1G affiliation. 

However, no worries, UCLA will add hockey before they'd invite UND. 

[SIOUXFAN97]

2 hours ago, The Sicatoka said:

The B1G number is going from 58 to almost 100. 

Between that kind of cash, plus the BTAA, the only way you'll see someone leave the B1G is out the back door by the bouncer. 

backdoor?  Nebraska?

[SIOUXFAN97]

34 minutes ago, The Sicatoka said:

" ... it'd be hard ... " <- meaning not impossible.

The numbers would have to work. That's any deal: it must be mutually beneficial. 

But it would be hard to walk away from B1G affiliation. 

However, no worries, UCLA will add hockey before they'd invite UND. 

wonder if both ucla AND usc both add varsity hockey quickly....

[fightingsioux4life]

52 minutes ago, The Sicatoka said:

" ... it'd be hard ... " <- meaning not impossible.

The numbers would have to work. That's any deal: it must be mutually beneficial. 

But it would be hard to walk away from B1G affiliation. 

However, no worries, UCLA will add hockey before they'd invite UND. 

If the financial numbers would be beneficial to UND, then I wouldn't have a problem with it. Until then, we should stick with the NCHC.

[The Sicatoka]

30 minutes ago, SIOUXFAN97 said:

backdoor?  Nebraska?

Why are you assuming anyone will be? 

I just stated the "how it would happen." No one leaves willingly. 

[SIOUXFAN97]

11 minutes ago, The Sicatoka said:

Why are you assuming anyone will be? 

I just stated the "how it would happen." No one leaves willingly. 

lost AAU status....give em the boot...plus they suck everything except bronco busting.

[The Sicatoka]

2 minutes ago, SIOUXFAN97 said:

lost AAU status....give em the boot...plus they suck everything except bronco busting.

If the B1G were going to drop N for losing AAU status it would've happened years ago.

Nebraska entered the B1G in 2011 and lost AAU later that same year. 

[SIOUXFAN97]

31 minutes ago, The Sicatoka said:

If the B1G were going to drop N for losing AAU status it would've happened years ago.

Nebraska entered the B1G in 2011 and lost AAU later that same year. 

lots more AAU schools will be available shortly...drop dead weight in nebraska and blame them for losing aau and add aau virginia and or north  carolina......easy math 

[The Sicatoka]

29 minutes ago, SIOUXFAN97 said:

lots more AAU schools will be available shortly...drop dead weight in nebraska and blame them for losing aau and add aau virginia and or north  carolina......easy math 

If it's so easy, why in the dozen years since 2011 hasn't "drop N" happened. Clearly they can pick and choose any time they want (USC/UCLA). 

[SIOUXFAN97]

6 minutes ago, The Sicatoka said:

If it's so easy, why in the dozen years since 2011 hasn't "drop N" happened. Clearly they can pick and choose any time they want (USC/UCLA). 

bc there hasn't been much conference realignment amongst the bigger conferences in a while....

if the big 10 had to choose between north carolina or nebraska...that's an easy call bc you can't keep/add em all unless the amount of conference members is infinite....

[FSSD]

1 hour ago, SIOUXFAN97 said:

lots more AAU schools will be available shortly...drop dead weight in nebraska and blame them for losing aau and add aau virginia and or north  carolina......easy math 

I believe that there were some politics involved with Texas using it's influence to push Nebraska out.  I believe that most of the issues was around the State of Nebraska moving the Medical School to a separate entity versus being under UNL.  I believe that Syracuse also left that year questioning the politics of the organization.  Since then Iowa St. has left AAU also.  Not sure what the kerfuffle is all about.  But, there have several articles in the news recently about redefining the definitions around AAU status. 

[SIOUXFAN97]

will be interesting to watch Central Florida...were added to big 12 to fill the florida market and added a school when big 12 was seen as on their deathbed....flash forward and now it seems like big12 mightbe able to add some really nice schools after big10 and sec eat first........so if miami and fsu are still sitting there for the taking does the big 12 say sorry ucf...but we got florida covered with miami and  fsu and you are kicked out back to the Sun Belt cusa or AAC....especiially if miami and fsu make it a requirement to join the big 12...

once again....easy maths for me on that call...see ya knights!

[The Sicatoka]

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WSU has made steady progress toward balancing the athletics budget the past several years. Unfortunately, though, we are facing tremendous headwinds that will make closing out fiscal year 2023 more challenging than expected.

As has already been widely reported, each Pac‑12 university will see a significant decrease in revenue distribution. This decrease is a result of overpayments from one of the conference media partners that must be resolved. Relocation of the Pac‑12 headquarters out of San Francisco exceeded budget projections as well. Additionally, WSU projects that Cougar Athletics exceeded its expenditures for the year due to inadequate documentation of revenues and expenses.

 

Seriously? Washington State University can't track and document its revenues and expenses? That screams "big time". 

And they were overpaid by media during Covid and media want that money back. Whups. 

And there has to be a good joke in there about the PAC12 leaving San Fran. 

I still do believe they (WasSU) and OrSU will be left with only MWC chairs when the PAC12 fire sale music stops. (The MWC might inherit the "PAC" name with them.) 

https://from.wsu.edu/president/2023/athletics-budget-update/email.html?fbclid=IwAR0oBIZ12NRADBpImnZ5kci5XQ_Ok3kVY6vyz_LdLNWfO8qB5HnzMWwWc2A 

[SIOUXFAN97]

9 minutes ago, The Sicatoka said:

Seriously? Washington State University can't track and document its revenues and expenses? That screams "big time". 

And they were overpaid by media during Covid and media want that money back. Whups. 

And there has to be a good joke in there about the PAC12 leaving San Fran. 

I still do believe they (WasSU) and OrSU will be left with only MWC chairs when the PAC12 fire sale music stops. (The MWC might inherit the "PAC" name with them.) 

https://from.wsu.edu/president/2023/athletics-budget-update/email.html?fbclid=IwAR0oBIZ12NRADBpImnZ5kci5XQ_Ok3kVY6vyz_LdLNWfO8qB5HnzMWwWc2A 

if they get the pac name do they get what is left in the PAC bank account too?

[The Sicatoka]

17 minutes ago, SIOUXFAN97 said:

if they get the pac name do they get what is left in the PAC bank account too?

Depends on how the conference closes the doors.

• If they vote to dissolve (takes like 3/4 vote) the assets are divided.
• If teams just leave the assets stay with "last man standing" as does the name. 

I'd bet that WasSU and OrSU are not left alone as last two at the table full of money. I'd guess the remaining other eight will "just happen" to vote to dissolve and allocate the day before the "surprise" mail* from the B1G or BXII shows up.  

My guess is some coming Monday UW/UO/Cali-Stan and the Four Corners vote to dissolve (8-2) vote. The following day are eight "surprise" pressers announcing new conference homes for each. 

 

*PAC bylaws do not allow a school to vote on dissolution after they announce departure. 

[The Sicatoka]

Were the Dakota 4 Shanghai'd by the MVC? 

The MVC now has Murray State (FB in MVFC).

The MVC now has six FB schools (IllSU, IndSU, Murray, UNI, MoiSt, SIU). <-- The MVC could pull in football (out from the MVFC).
They'd likely pull in Youngstown and probably Robert Morris (who's looking for a home). There's eight. That works. 
And they become a stronger all-sports conference with football, football their way however meaning BB first. 
As their bonus ... no more trips to play FB in the Dakotas. 

Should that happen, what's left of the MVFC? xDSUs and UxDs. (Remember: WIU is gone to the OVC.) 

Looking at this through the MVC lens, this feels uncomfortably orchestrated. (Get Murray in to MVC/MVFC knowing WIU would leave for OVC.) 

It looks like the MVC-first schools are setting up to hang the Dakota 4 out to dry, at least in football, and likely with the Summit too (by getting WIU to leave). 

[SiouxHawkGuy]

30 minutes ago, The Sicatoka said:

Were the Dakota 4 Shanghai'd by the MVC? 

The MVC now has Murray State (FB in MVFC).

The MVC now has six FB schools (IllSU, IndSU, Murray, UNI, MoiSt, SIU). <-- The MVC could pull in football (out from the MVFC).
They'd likely pull in Youngstown and probably Robert Morris (who's looking for a home). There's eight. That works. 
And they become a stronger all-sports conference with football, football their way however meaning BB first. 
As their bonus ... no more trips to play FB in the Dakotas. 

Should that happen, what's left of the MVFC? xDSUs and UxDs. (Remember: WIU is gone to the OVC.) 

Looking at this through the MVC lens, this feels uncomfortably orchestrated. (Get Murray in to MVC/MVFC knowing WIU would leave for OVC.) 

It looks like the MVC-first schools are setting up to hang the Dakota 4 out to dry, at least in football, and likely with the Summit too (by getting WIU to leave). 

Dakota 4 should really be FBS

[SIOUXFAN97]

6 hours ago, The Sicatoka said:

Were the Dakota 4 Shanghai'd by the MVC? 

The MVC now has Murray State (FB in MVFC).

The MVC now has six FB schools (IllSU, IndSU, Murray, UNI, MoiSt, SIU). <-- The MVC could pull in football (out from the MVFC).
They'd likely pull in Youngstown and probably Robert Morris (who's looking for a home). There's eight. That works. 
And they become a stronger all-sports conference with football, football their way however meaning BB first. 
As their bonus ... no more trips to play FB in the Dakotas. 

Should that happen, what's left of the MVFC? xDSUs and UxDs. (Remember: WIU is gone to the OVC.) 

Looking at this through the MVC lens, this feels uncomfortably orchestrated. (Get Murray in to MVC/MVFC knowing WIU would leave for OVC.) 

It looks like the MVC-first schools are setting up to hang the Dakota 4 out to dry, at least in football, and likely with the Summit too (by getting WIU to leave). 

Well put...... Fenton gonna go to war!!

[The Sicatoka]

On 5/23/2023 at 3:33 PM, The Sicatoka said:

Seriously? Washington State University can't track and document its revenues and expenses? That screams "big time". 

And they were overpaid by media during Covid and media want that money back. Whups. 

And there has to be a good joke in there about the PAC12 leaving San Fran. 

I still do believe they (WasSU) and OrSU will be left with only MWC chairs when the PAC12 fire sale music stops. (The MWC might inherit the "PAC" name with them.) 

https://from.wsu.edu/president/2023/athletics-budget-update/email.html?fbclid=IwAR0oBIZ12NRADBpImnZ5kci5XQ_Ok3kVY6vyz_LdLNWfO8qB5HnzMWwWc2A 

WasSU has a mess, and it's compounded by PAC bad decisions, and lack of a new PAC media deal, and the general uncertainty of a PAC future. 

https://www.deseret.com/2023/5/24/23735072/wsu-financial-woes-signal-red-flag-from-pac-12-country 

[The Sicatoka]

With WIU leaving the Summit/MVFC we've been focused on the loss of a core Summit member and sport: Summit is short (5 need 6) enough to consider men's soccer a sport. That's a problem. That's been the focus. 

What was missed is that the power has fully shifted in the MVFC:

Before Murray in WIU out: 5 MVC, 5 Summit, 1 Horizon
After Murray in WIU out: 6 MVC, 4 Summit, 1 Horizon  

Now, instead of a faction having to sway YSU (Horizon), the MVC faction has a simple majority all the time. 

[The Sicatoka]

12 hours ago, SIOUXFAN97 said:

Well put...... Fenton gonna go to war!!

It's not really his war. The Summit was collateral damage. 

The MVC forced Murray into the MVFC by making promises without talking to the Dakota 4 first. (That's what set off NDSU back in the day.) They also knew WIU was fragile and would backfill the OVC. (Strategic and tactical moves by MVC.) 

WIU leaving made MVFC at 12 back to 11, and now 6 (a standing majority) MVC members <- power shift. 

The fact that WIU leaving for the OVC would also harm the Summit was a bonus, a distraction from the MVFC power dynamic shift. 

But as with any change, it is opportunity.
Let's see what Fenton does with it.
I'd like to see him call out the MVC and what their intentions are. Then act accordingly. 

[zonadub]

UND should have stayed in the Big Sky.

[farce poobah]

2 hours ago, The Sicatoka said:

With WIU leaving the Summit/MVFC we've been focused on the loss of a core Summit member and sport: Summit is short (5 need 6) enough to consider men's soccer a sport. That's a problem. That's been the focus. 

What was missed is that the power has fully shifted in the MVFC:

Before Murray in WIU out: 5 MVC, 5 Summit, 1 Horizon
After Murray in WIU out: 6 MVC, 4 Summit, 1 Horizon  

Now, instead of a faction having to sway YSU (Horizon), the MVC faction has a simple majority all the time. 

Mr Fenton, I have Augustana on line 1.

[Yote 53]

2 hours ago, zonadub said:

UND should have stayed in the Big Sky.

See our thread at GoYotes.net saying the exact same thing.  We should have gone to the Big Sky with you guys and never looked back.  By now the XDSU's would have joined us and we'd have our long dreamed alliance with the Montana and Idaho schools.

Instead we are stuck.