AJS Posted March 22 Posted March 22 Completely disappointed, but not surprised. Emotions are high, but it's disappointing to see people dropping their season tickets. Here's what I believe is fact, until Chaves is gone. Wins and losses, do not matter. Dropping season tickets won't matter. The best you can hope for is to ride it out, until he's gone. We're also in this very unique time in collegiate athletics where these programs need as much support as possible. I don't want to see the student-athlete suffer. Let's start the monthly NIL contributions, let this wave pass and wait to hear some good news. As far as the players themselves, I wouldn't think this would move the needle. Bubba was going to coach this year regardless. 1 1 Quote
fightingsioux4life Posted March 22 Posted March 22 32 minutes ago, AJS said: Completely disappointed, but not surprised. Emotions are high, but it's disappointing to see people dropping their season tickets. Here's what I believe is fact, until Chaves is gone. Wins and losses, do not matter. Dropping season tickets won't matter. The best you can hope for is to ride it out, until he's gone. We're also in this very unique time in collegiate athletics where these programs need as much support as possible. I don't want to see the student-athlete suffer. Let's start the monthly NIL contributions, let this wave pass and wait to hear some good news. As far as the players themselves, I wouldn't think this would move the needle. Bubba was going to coach this year regardless. This is why I am not dumping my season tickets. But this is still unacceptable and the last straw for me. President Armacost is the only one who can change the tone and expectations around here. I honestly don't care what Chaves has to say about anything anymore. 1 Quote
jdub27 Posted March 22 Posted March 22 31 minutes ago, fightingsioux4life said: This is why I am not dumping my season tickets. But this is still unacceptable and the last straw for me. President Armacost is the only one who can change the tone and expectations around here. I honestly don't care what Chaves has to say about anything anymore. Armacost has been an absolute shot in the arm for the athletic department with the momentum on all the capital projects and Alston payments among other things. Given all the support he has given the athletic department and of course the AD reports to him, do you actually think Chaves didn't discuss this with Armacost prior to it being done? 4 2 Quote
fightingsioux4life Posted March 22 Posted March 22 2 minutes ago, jdub27 said: Armacost has been an absolute shot in the arm for the athletic department with the momentum on all the capital projects and Alston payments among other things. Given all the support he has given the athletic department and of course the AD reports to him, do you actually think Chaves didn't discuss this with Armacost prior to it being done? Facility upgrades are essential and I give him, Chaves and the donors who put up the cash credit for those. But this total lack of expectations and accountability will make those upgrades meaningless. Human nature is what it is. If you have a nice, comfy job where being average to slightly above average is good enough for endless contract extensions, you can expect the same results over and over. Expecting different results is the very definition of insanity. And I would hope Armacost isn't micromanaging Chaves. Somehow I don't think he got to where he is by doing that. I put both their e-mail addresses earlier in this thread because both of them are responsible for this inane extension. If you want to make your case for the extension, please go right on ahead. But don't complain about my disagreement with it. Make a coherent case that Bubba deserved the extension. 1 Quote
gfhockey Posted March 22 Posted March 22 What’s the way to send a message then emails don’t work we all know that its usually $$$ 1 1 Quote
Wilbur Posted March 22 Posted March 22 19 hours ago, fightingsioux4life said: So you think FCS isn't horribly watered down? It is. And pretending it isn't doesn't make it true. This 100%. Where Bubba has taken the program and the struggles that we've seen over his tenure at UND......and we are currently a top 20 program in the FCS.... Winning 7 games, getting to the playoffs, then bowing out right away.....top 20.... 3 Quote
Kab Posted March 22 Posted March 22 Dumping your season tickets or not going to games only hurts the programs. Less $ will make things worse. the players need support and you won’t get players without $ 2 Quote
dmksioux Posted March 22 Posted March 22 30 minutes ago, Kab said: Dumping your season tickets or not going to games only hurts the programs. Less $ will make things worse. the players need support and you won’t get players without $ True, but if enough people speak with their pocket books, then maybe Armacost/Chaves will make the necessary changes. As a fan, I don’t like the direction the programs, other than hockey, are headed. And for the AD to be ok with current state of affairs doesn’t sit well with me. So I will choose to spend my money elsewhere. I’ve had season football tix for 10+ years. I’ve also attended many others sporting events than football. But apathy has finally set in with me. Sad to say, but it is what it is. 1 3 Quote
Hayduke1 Posted March 22 Posted March 22 UND is competitive in the best conference in the FCS. We would all like to see more, but that is a pretty good place to be. 1 2 4 Quote
rochsioux Posted March 22 Posted March 22 1 hour ago, Kab said: Dumping your season tickets or not going to games only hurts the programs. Less $ will make things worse. the players need support and you won’t get players without $ Probably. Sometimes there’s no other choice. Support mediocrity and that’s what you’ll continue to see. Stop the support and hopefully it will result in change. Quote
fightingsioux4life Posted March 22 Posted March 22 8 minutes ago, Hayduke1 said: UND is competitive in the best conference in the FCS. We would all like to see more, but that is a pretty good place to be. So you are okay with what we are now? That's fine. But some of us are not. Thus the outrage on this thread. 1 1 Quote
Siouxperman8 Posted March 22 Posted March 22 1 hour ago, Kab said: Dumping your season tickets or not going to games only hurts the programs. Less $ will make things worse. the players need support and you won’t get players without $ Also hurting REA more than the fb program by 4%. REA takes 52% of football ticket revenue. 1 Quote
Hayduke1 Posted March 23 Posted March 23 5 hours ago, fightingsioux4life said: So you are okay with what we are now? That's fine. But some of us are not. Thus the outrage on this thread. Totally get the outrage. I want to see better also. I’m just saying it could be a lot worse. for example I live near the University of Northern Colorado They had a perfect season last year 0-12 Their baseball team is 0-20 right now More perfection Quote
Oxbow6 Posted March 23 Posted March 23 21 minutes ago, Hayduke1 said: Totally get the outrage. I want to see better also. I’m just saying it could be a lot worse. for example I live near the University of Northern Colorado They had a perfect season last year 0-12 Their baseball team is 0-20 right now More perfection Tough to win when everyone is baked all the time?? 2 Quote
shep Posted March 23 Posted March 23 I'm grateful for not being 0-12 but if that's the standard around here it's bad news. I like a 7 win team but please dear God, give me one Playoff W by next year. PLEASE! 3 Quote
Sioux>Bison Posted March 23 Posted March 23 8 hours ago, Kab said: Dumping your season tickets or not going to games only hurts the programs. Less $ will make things worse. the players need support and you won’t get players without $ Bubbas coaching is hurting this program! He has done nothing to fix this defense in the offseason. I’m afraid to say this defense could be worse this fall than last year 1 Quote
Sioux94 Posted March 25 Posted March 25 After firing Mussman, yes the initial goal was to be competitive, which Bubba has done that. But we really have taken very few strides since 2016. Our playoff games have been for the most part pretty embarrassing. I felt embarrassed during the first half of that Weber State playoff game. Score ended up being a lot closer than the game really was. Got steam rolled by Nicholls.........yes Nicholls State. Embarrassing. 3 Quote
shep Posted March 26 Posted March 26 6 hours ago, Sioux94 said: After firing Mussman, yes the initial goal was to be competitive, which Bubba has done that. But we really have taken very few strides since 2016. Our playoff games have been for the most part pretty embarrassing. I felt embarrassed during the first half of that Weber State playoff game. Score ended up being a lot closer than the game really was. Got steam rolled by Nicholls.........yes Nicholls State. Embarrassing. If you're recounting bad playoff games, last year's Defensive play has to be considered. 2 1 Quote
GoHawks Posted March 26 Posted March 26 On 3/22/2024 at 7:21 PM, Hayduke1 said: Totally get the outrage. I want to see better also. I’m just saying it could be a lot worse. for example I live near the University of Northern Colorado They had a perfect season last year 0-12 Their baseball team is 0-20 right now More perfection Football coach was in his 1st season as Head Coach Baseball coach is in his 2nd season as head coach Not like either were winning big sky titles before Bad comparison Quote
Hayduke1 Posted March 29 Posted March 29 On 3/26/2024 at 1:10 PM, GoHawks said: Football coach was in his 1st season as Head Coach Baseball coach is in his 2nd season as head coach Not like either were winning big sky titles before Bad comparison Point taken hey, baseball team split with Omaha last weekend. 2-22 now! Quote
Siouxperman8 Posted March 29 Posted March 29 On 3/22/2024 at 7:21 PM, Hayduke1 said: Totally get the outrage. I want to see better also. I’m just saying it could be a lot worse. for example I live near the University of Northern Colorado They had a perfect season last year 0-12 Their baseball team is 0-20 right now More perfection In the 5 fb seasons prior to 2023 UNC won a total of 13 games and never more than 3 in one year. So yes it could get a lot worse. Quote
SIOUXFAN97 Posted March 29 Posted March 29 27 minutes ago, Siouxperman8 said: In the 5 fb seasons prior to 2023 UNC won a total of 13 games and never more than 3 in one year. So yes it could get a lot worse. big sky sucks Quote
wheelsup Posted March 30 Posted March 30 If you are on the ledge with the bubba extension feel free to wander over to the hockey playoff thread.. most overfunded program in college hockey.. still can’t get out of the first round. 1 1 Quote
Sioux94 Posted March 30 Posted March 30 24 minutes ago, wheelsup said: If you are on the ledge with the bubba extension feel free to wander over to the hockey playoff thread.. most overfunded program in college hockey.. still can’t get out of the first round. Yep. Although UND football would sure love to even just be ranked the #1 team in the country at some point during the season. Football team hasn't even sniffed that in two decades. Quote
Sioux>Bison Posted March 30 Posted March 30 39 minutes ago, wheelsup said: If you are on the ledge with the bubba extension feel free to wander over to the hockey playoff thread.. most overfunded program in college hockey.. still can’t get out of the first round. Who knew we should be happy with what Bubba has done! Good enough for hockey so good enough for football! Quote
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