2024 UND Football

[FSSD]

44 minutes ago, The Sicatoka said:

Why does the G&G collective logo have (white) tears running from its eyes? 

What is Oct 14, 2023 and the subsequent 365 days.

[iramurphy]

On 4/24/2024 at 7:36 PM, Hawkster said:

Fixed your post.

Key point to our struggles has been the absence of our TE’s in our passing schemes. If anyone listened to Nick Saban last night he discussed how involving athletic TE’s as an integral part of an offense makes things much more difficult for defenses. It can force your corners into more single coverages. It also creates the challenge of committing safety help vs LB’s athletic/quick enough  to cover the TE in man coverage. 
I recently discussed the use of TE’s in the passing game with 3 of our former coaches and their opinions were all similar to Saban’s. 
 

On a related note some of you may be surprised at the actual size of some of the defensive linemen  and LB’s in the draft. The idea that DL have to weigh 260lbs or more and LB’s need to be over 230lbs is not an opinion shared by those same coaches. (They all coached at the FBS level).  Speed, quickness, intelligence and athletic ability are more important that the extra 20-30 lbs, especially for LB’s and DE’s.  Slot receivers, athletic TE’s, running QB’s have put a premium on speed and quickness and athletic ability for LB’s and DL. 
In looking at 40 times for WR I was surprised at how so many ran 4.45 or greater. We have and have had guys who can do that. I read a lot of comments about how our WR’s lack enough speed to be a deep threat. The majority of deep throws are 20-45yds. Most of the time the receiver is already open in the first 20-25yds from LOS and if they catch the ball when they break open a lot of the long pass plays are after the catch.  
To me, the key to 2024 for us is the OL, accuracy of QB, and whether or not we are smart enough to scheme our TE’s into our offense and speed, quickness and intelligence on defense.  It starts with OL or else the other key components won’t be as effective. 
On defense it is speed, strength, quickness and intelligence more than size.  Yes, a bigger guy with speed quickness and intelligence is preferable but it starts with speed strength and quickness. 

[GoHawks]

50 minutes ago, iramurphy said:

Key point to our struggles has been the absence of our TE’s in our passing schemes. If anyone listened to Nick Saban last night he discussed how involving athletic TE’s as an integral part of an offense makes things much more difficult for defenses. It can force your corners into more single coverages. It also creates the challenge of committing safety help vs LB’s athletic/quick enough  to cover the TE in man coverage. 
I recently discussed the use of TE’s in the passing game with 3 of our former coaches and their opinions were all similar to Saban’s. 
 

On a related note some of you may be surprised at the actual size of some of the defensive linemen  and LB’s in the draft. The idea that DL have to weigh 260lbs or more and LB’s need to be over 230lbs is not an opinion shared by those same coaches. (They all coached at the FBS level).  Speed, quickness, intelligence and athletic ability are more important that the extra 20-30 lbs, especially for LB’s and DE’s.  Slot receivers, athletic TE’s, running QB’s have put a premium on speed and quickness and athletic ability for LB’s and DL. 
In looking at 40 times for WR I was surprised at how so many ran 4.45 or greater. We have and have had guys who can do that. I read a lot of comments about how our WR’s lack enough speed to be a deep threat. The majority of deep throws are 20-45yds. Most of the time the receiver is already open in the first 20-25yds from LOS and if they catch the ball when they break open a lot of the long pass plays are after the catch.  
To me, the key to 2024 for us is the OL, accuracy of QB, and whether or not we are smart enough to scheme our TE’s into our offense and speed, quickness and intelligence on defense.  It starts with OL or else the other key components won’t be as effective. 
On defense it is speed, strength, quickness and intelligence more than size.  Yes, a bigger guy with speed quickness and intelligence is preferable but it starts with speed strength and quickness. 

How has having smaller LB and DL worked so far for UND? The answer is not good at all!

[iramurphy]

5 minutes ago, GoHawks said:

How has having smaller LB and DL worked so far for UND? The answer is not good at all!

You miss my point. How big do you think they need to be?  
My point is how important speed/strength/quickness is.  Slow big guys aren’t very effective.  I agree that when combined with size it is even better.  Small slow guys are worse. 

 

[iramurphy]

4/5 DE’s taken in yesterday’s NFL first round weighed between 245 and 260lbs.  Other guy weighed 285lbs. 

[Irish]

8 hours ago, iramurphy said:

You miss my point. How big do you think they need to be?  
My point is how important speed/strength/quickness is.  Slow big guys aren’t very effective.  I agree that when combined with size it is even better.  Small slow guys are worse. 

 

I think in summary - Bubba needs to recruit better players 

[iramurphy]

9 hours ago, Irish said:

I think in summary - Bubba needs to recruit better players 

Yup and that means speed, quickness and strength, more than height and weight listed in a program. Hopefully, those traits and appropriate weight gain will improve with the speed and strength training program. 

[UND-FB-FAN]

On 4/24/2024 at 9:34 AM, Sioux>Bison said:

Pretty good numbers for a school that only recruits d2 talent!

The roster mostly consists of division 2 talent, not division 1 talent. A few talented students come to campus but don't stay. The new facilities may attract more top-end talent, which is essential for a championship-quality football team.

Now, the leadership and motivation of the current talent (hence the exodus) is another issue … 

Current $ from NIL is of course factor too. 

[homer]

48 minutes ago, UND-FB-FAN said:

The roster mostly consists of division 2 talent, not division 1 talent. A few talented students come to campus but don't stay. The new facilities may attract more top-end talent, which is essential for a championship-quality football team.

Now, the leadership and motivation of the current talent (hence the exodus) is another issue … 

Current $ from NIL is of course factor too. 

NIL is a bigger factor to the exodus and everyone of us can continue to complain about over and over or step up and write the checks.  It can go directly to the talent you want to keep.  

[SIOUXFAN97]

34 minutes ago, homer said:

NIL is a bigger factor to the exodus and everyone of us can continue to complain about over and over or step up and write the checks.  It can go directly to the talent you want to keep.  

how much money/impact have holth and bonzer had so far.......

[homer]

17 minutes ago, SIOUXFAN97 said:

how much money/impact have holth and bonzer had so far.......

How much have you contributed?  

[SIOUXFAN97]

3 minutes ago, homer said:

How much have you contributed?  

i love the old lamerioux argument...if you don't have a gold medal around your neck your opinion on certain topics is irrelevant. 

[homer]

8 minutes ago, SIOUXFAN97 said:

i love the old lamerioux argument...if you don't have a gold medal around your neck your opinion on certain topics is irrelevant. 

Except not everyone is talented enough to play college or even the Olympics.  
 

Every single person can contribute to NIL and direct their funds where they want to go.  And I would be willing to bet if you contribute they would answer the questions you have.  

[UND-FB-FAN]

The UND football problem is complex/multifactorial, which makes any argument towards a single issue laughable.
 

Need improvement across the board. I can clearly say the NIL and facility recent upgrades are moves toward improvement; but the coaching, recruiting and motivation is still beyond questionable. 

[UND1983]

I got an awfully bad feeling about next season.   

[fightingsioux4life]

36 minutes ago, homer said:

Except not everyone is talented enough to play college or even the Olympics.  
 

Every single person can contribute to NIL and direct their funds where they want to go.  And I would be willing to bet if you contribute they would answer the questions you have.  

NIL is going to be a net negative for FCS as a whole, with FBS programs poaching top FCS talent.

[homer]

3 minutes ago, fightingsioux4life said:

NIL is going to be a net negative for FCS as a whole, with FBS programs poaching top FCS talent.

Don’t disagree but NIL is the one part of this fans control vs the administration.  It’s likely the most important part of player retention and recruitment right now in college sports.  

[SIOUXFAN97]

20 minutes ago, homer said:

Except not everyone is talented enough to play college or even the Olympics.  
 

Every single person can contribute to NIL and direct their funds where they want to go.  And I would be willing to bet if you contribute they would answer the questions you have.  

once again i was called a nosy parker for even asking what kunz got.........i think a lot of people are missing the point of the NIL ....EVERYONE will eventually know what your NIL and what each player is getting IF the number is moving the needle.

[FSSD]

Thinking about the OL for this year.  Here is the Depth Chart from Sac St game:

Left Tackle
77 Easton Kilty Jr., 6-5, 305	TP - Kanas State
67 Liam Becher R-Fr., 6-6, 315
Left Guard
74 Donny Ventrelli 5th, 6-4, 300	Graduation
73 Jack Kuntz Jr., 6-4, 315
Center
69 Cade Borud R-Fr., 6-2, 315	TP - Iowa
62 Ben Buxa Fr., 6-3, 285
Right Guard
75 Sam Hagen So., 6-6, 320	TP
72 Colin Lavell Sr., 6-4, 300	Graduation
Right Tackle
71 Seth Anderson Jr., 6-4, 305
79 Trace Thaden R-Fr., 6-7, 260

This leaves 5 players, so do you move Anderson to RG?  And go with:

Becher So. - LT

Kuntz Sr. - LG

Buxa So. - C

Anderson Sr. - RG

Thaden So. - RT

Pushing for playing time at Guard/Center:

Carter Thomas Gorder 6-4 300 So. / Iowa Central

51 Caleb Olson OL 6-2 300 So. Fort Ransom, N.D. / Lisbon

TP - 64 Dolapo Egunjobi OL 6-5 310 Sr. Winnipeg, Manitoba / Manitoba

66 Isaac Folland OL 6-3 330 R-Fr. Halma, Minn. / Kittson County Central

Pushing of playing time at Tackle

70 Matthew Schoenecker OL 6-7 280 R-Fr. New Prague, Minn. / New Prague

76 Gus German OL 6-7 325 Sr. Colorado Springs, Colo. / Purdue

78 Jacob Lopau OL 6-7 295 R-Fr. St. Joseph, Minn. / Rocor

[UND1983]

Didn't Dolapo enter portal?  thought I saw it but doesn't matter he isn't playing for anybody ever.  

[shep]

1 hour ago, UND1983 said:

Didn't Dolapo enter portal?  thought I saw it but doesn't matter he isn't playing for anybody ever.  

Why not?

[sioux24/7]

1 hour ago, UND1983 said:

Didn't Dolapo enter portal?  thought I saw it but doesn't matter he isn't playing for anybody ever.  

 Looks like he did

[Sioux>Bison]

I rather take the NIL money to pay our good coaches to stay

[shep]

There's lots of great coaches who have seen their players leave for the money.

I highly doubt Saban retires if NIL was not the way it is. I thought it was to allow the player to get some money for HIS jersey that got sold and for which he got nothing (except a free college scholarship).

It's just paying guys now even before they get a jersey.

 

[AJS]

Below is a list of names that were on the 2023 Roster but will not be on the Fall 2024 Roster. Graduation / Portal exits. Included Martens as well. 

 Defense

• DB
  • Siegel
  • Buckner
  • Ocansey
  • Fort
  • Kauppinen
  • Martens
• DL
  • Griffin Jr
  • McNaboe
  • Ogbu
  • Saltonstall
  • Johnson
• LB
  • Koshiol
  • Mullin

Offense

• OL
  • Carroll
  • Egunjobi
  • Bryant
  • Borud
  • Lavell
  • Ventrelli
  • Hagen
  • Kilty
• QB
  • Schuster
• RB
  • Skokna
• WR
  • Elidor
  • Wilson
  • Wright
• TE
  • Gehin
  • Schusted

Special Teams

• Stevens

29 total