GoHawks Posted April 24 Share Posted April 24 19 minutes ago, Sioux>Bison said: Unlike many teams our O line recruiting has been very talented and deep. Yea I’m worried about replacing starters with guys who have never played but I think we have a full stable of guys that can step up! O line recruiting has been one of our biggest strengths! my biggest concerns are still on the defensive side. I think our secondary can step up but are our d line and linebackers ready to step up? Is it scheme? Either way I hope we have it figured out Let's hope the new OL coach can keep it up. Worries me that 2 starters have left (one from the area) since he got hired and Pawlek left. I just don't see a lot of positives with this team this upcoming year but man I hope I am completely wrong! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kab Posted April 24 Share Posted April 24 I don’t think schemes will change under bubba his way or the highway i hope the new strength coach has some positive impact ‘I also wonder if we lose a QB after the starter is named Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forksandspoons Posted April 24 Share Posted April 24 Losing that many starting OL is a bummer as that was strength of the team. However, I do agree that it shows UND is recruiting the right guys at that position. Hoping the new OC makes it easy on the new starters on the OL and get Ziebarth, Smith, Seidl, and Hunt going downhill. It seemed like Danny would sometimes go away from the run a bit too early (South Dakota game). Who all returns with any sort of experience on the OL? Anderson, Becher, Kuntz, Thaden, Olson. Missing anyone? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdub27 Posted April 24 Share Posted April 24 46 minutes ago, Kab said: I don’t think schemes will change under bubba Allowing each new coordinator to run the offenses/defenses/special teams as they see fit seem to contradict that. Obviously the preference isn't for an Air Raid offense that keeps the defense gassed and the three units play complementary football, but I am not sure I've seen anything that he's dictated certain things. Just look at the huge change between Rudy and Danny's offense for proof of that. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kab Posted April 24 Share Posted April 24 1 hour ago, jdub27 said: Allowing each new coordinator to run the offenses/defenses/special teams as they see fit seem to contradict that. Obviously the preference isn't for an Air Raid offense that keeps the defense gassed and the three units play complementary football, but I am not sure I've seen anything that he's dictated certain things. Just look at the huge change between Rudy and Danny's offense for proof of that. I’m thinking of the 3/4 defense, seems like he is stuck on that, good or bad , no tight end use 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoHawks Posted April 24 Share Posted April 24 2 hours ago, Kab said: I’m thinking of the 3/4 defense, seems like he is stuck on that, good or bad , no tight end use Bubbas stuck in 1995. The rest of us are in 2024! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FSSD Posted April 24 Share Posted April 24 3 hours ago, Kab said: I’m thinking of the 3/4 defense, seems like he is stuck on that, good or bad , no tight end use Actually I think there are a number of teams that have moved to more of a 3/4 defense - one of them was YSU. I can't recall the others. But, teams are moving toward this approach because of the read option and running QBs. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SiouxFan100 Posted April 24 Share Posted April 24 I hope our qbs will be able to run and scramble for 1st downs and keep the opponents guessing this year 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoopsFan03 Posted April 24 Share Posted April 24 11 minutes ago, SiouxFan100 said: I hope our qbs will be able to run and scramble for 1st downs and keep the opponents guessing this year And throw the ball further than 3 yards in the air 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sioux24/7 Posted April 24 Share Posted April 24 36 minutes ago, HoopsFan03 said: And throw the ball further than 3 yards in the air Don’t disagree. Do we have any one that will actually take the top off the defense (if a QB can get it there too)? I know Caden Dennis is supposed to be that guy. Nate D too? Bo and Tai are more of the slot type guys, right? I suppose they’re both talented enough where they could too. Hakim going to be ready? 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hawkster Posted April 25 Share Posted April 25 3 hours ago, HoopsFan03 said: And throw the ball to our TIGHT ENDS Fixed your post. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Sicatoka Posted April 26 Share Posted April 26 The only two with three ways to "entice"? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Sicatoka Posted April 26 Share Posted April 26 Why does the G&G collective logo have (white) tears running from its eyes? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FSSD Posted April 26 Share Posted April 26 44 minutes ago, The Sicatoka said: Why does the G&G collective logo have (white) tears running from its eyes? What is Oct 14, 2023 and the subsequent 365 days. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iramurphy Posted April 26 Share Posted April 26 On 4/24/2024 at 7:36 PM, Hawkster said: Fixed your post. Key point to our struggles has been the absence of our TE’s in our passing schemes. If anyone listened to Nick Saban last night he discussed how involving athletic TE’s as an integral part of an offense makes things much more difficult for defenses. It can force your corners into more single coverages. It also creates the challenge of committing safety help vs LB’s athletic/quick enough to cover the TE in man coverage. I recently discussed the use of TE’s in the passing game with 3 of our former coaches and their opinions were all similar to Saban’s. On a related note some of you may be surprised at the actual size of some of the defensive linemen and LB’s in the draft. The idea that DL have to weigh 260lbs or more and LB’s need to be over 230lbs is not an opinion shared by those same coaches. (They all coached at the FBS level). Speed, quickness, intelligence and athletic ability are more important that the extra 20-30 lbs, especially for LB’s and DE’s. Slot receivers, athletic TE’s, running QB’s have put a premium on speed and quickness and athletic ability for LB’s and DL. In looking at 40 times for WR I was surprised at how so many ran 4.45 or greater. We have and have had guys who can do that. I read a lot of comments about how our WR’s lack enough speed to be a deep threat. The majority of deep throws are 20-45yds. Most of the time the receiver is already open in the first 20-25yds from LOS and if they catch the ball when they break open a lot of the long pass plays are after the catch. To me, the key to 2024 for us is the OL, accuracy of QB, and whether or not we are smart enough to scheme our TE’s into our offense and speed, quickness and intelligence on defense. It starts with OL or else the other key components won’t be as effective. On defense it is speed, strength, quickness and intelligence more than size. Yes, a bigger guy with speed quickness and intelligence is preferable but it starts with speed strength and quickness. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoHawks Posted April 26 Share Posted April 26 50 minutes ago, iramurphy said: Key point to our struggles has been the absence of our TE’s in our passing schemes. If anyone listened to Nick Saban last night he discussed how involving athletic TE’s as an integral part of an offense makes things much more difficult for defenses. It can force your corners into more single coverages. It also creates the challenge of committing safety help vs LB’s athletic/quick enough to cover the TE in man coverage. I recently discussed the use of TE’s in the passing game with 3 of our former coaches and their opinions were all similar to Saban’s. On a related note some of you may be surprised at the actual size of some of the defensive linemen and LB’s in the draft. The idea that DL have to weigh 260lbs or more and LB’s need to be over 230lbs is not an opinion shared by those same coaches. (They all coached at the FBS level). Speed, quickness, intelligence and athletic ability are more important that the extra 20-30 lbs, especially for LB’s and DE’s. Slot receivers, athletic TE’s, running QB’s have put a premium on speed and quickness and athletic ability for LB’s and DL. In looking at 40 times for WR I was surprised at how so many ran 4.45 or greater. We have and have had guys who can do that. I read a lot of comments about how our WR’s lack enough speed to be a deep threat. The majority of deep throws are 20-45yds. Most of the time the receiver is already open in the first 20-25yds from LOS and if they catch the ball when they break open a lot of the long pass plays are after the catch. To me, the key to 2024 for us is the OL, accuracy of QB, and whether or not we are smart enough to scheme our TE’s into our offense and speed, quickness and intelligence on defense. It starts with OL or else the other key components won’t be as effective. On defense it is speed, strength, quickness and intelligence more than size. Yes, a bigger guy with speed quickness and intelligence is preferable but it starts with speed strength and quickness. How has having smaller LB and DL worked so far for UND? The answer is not good at all! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iramurphy Posted April 26 Share Posted April 26 5 minutes ago, GoHawks said: How has having smaller LB and DL worked so far for UND? The answer is not good at all! You miss my point. How big do you think they need to be? My point is how important speed/strength/quickness is. Slow big guys aren’t very effective. I agree that when combined with size it is even better. Small slow guys are worse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iramurphy Posted April 26 Share Posted April 26 4/5 DE’s taken in yesterday’s NFL first round weighed between 245 and 260lbs. Other guy weighed 285lbs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irish Posted April 27 Share Posted April 27 8 hours ago, iramurphy said: You miss my point. How big do you think they need to be? My point is how important speed/strength/quickness is. Slow big guys aren’t very effective. I agree that when combined with size it is even better. Small slow guys are worse. I think in summary - Bubba needs to recruit better players Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iramurphy Posted April 27 Share Posted April 27 9 hours ago, Irish said: I think in summary - Bubba needs to recruit better players Yup and that means speed, quickness and strength, more than height and weight listed in a program. Hopefully, those traits and appropriate weight gain will improve with the speed and strength training program. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UND-FB-FAN Posted April 27 Share Posted April 27 On 4/24/2024 at 9:34 AM, Sioux>Bison said: Pretty good numbers for a school that only recruits d2 talent! The roster mostly consists of division 2 talent, not division 1 talent. A few talented students come to campus but don't stay. The new facilities may attract more top-end talent, which is essential for a championship-quality football team. Now, the leadership and motivation of the current talent (hence the exodus) is another issue … Current $ from NIL is of course factor too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
homer Posted April 27 Share Posted April 27 48 minutes ago, UND-FB-FAN said: The roster mostly consists of division 2 talent, not division 1 talent. A few talented students come to campus but don't stay. The new facilities may attract more top-end talent, which is essential for a championship-quality football team. Now, the leadership and motivation of the current talent (hence the exodus) is another issue … Current $ from NIL is of course factor too. NIL is a bigger factor to the exodus and everyone of us can continue to complain about over and over or step up and write the checks. It can go directly to the talent you want to keep. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SIOUXFAN97 Posted April 27 Share Posted April 27 34 minutes ago, homer said: NIL is a bigger factor to the exodus and everyone of us can continue to complain about over and over or step up and write the checks. It can go directly to the talent you want to keep. how much money/impact have holth and bonzer had so far....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
homer Posted April 27 Share Posted April 27 17 minutes ago, SIOUXFAN97 said: how much money/impact have holth and bonzer had so far....... How much have you contributed? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SIOUXFAN97 Posted April 27 Share Posted April 27 3 minutes ago, homer said: How much have you contributed? i love the old lamerioux argument...if you don't have a gold medal around your neck your opinion on certain topics is irrelevant. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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