2024 UND Football

[gfhockey]

30 minutes ago, petey23 said:

IYKYK

May have stopped there on way home to Bismarck from UND a few times.....depends who is asking.

Shortcut home. Thompson exit, HWY 15 west past Northwood, North on 32 through Aneta, Finley, Pillsbury and Oriska...last buidling on the left before jumping back on 94 and heading west.

I always take they route back to gf

 

lot of good bars on the way

[UND-FB-FAN]

48 minutes ago, jdub27 said:

The world isn't black and white, it's OK to accept more than one thing can be true at the same time.

I agree completely; I just think that the biggest issue of them all is the actual dysfunctionality of the program itself, not the external factors that UND can’t control (hence, the importance of accountability). 

[Kab]

2 hours ago, The Sicatoka said:

Everybody who's anybody knows that ain't in the patch.

That's Helmer's Bar (and Strip Club) in Oriska, ND. How do I know that? I've driven ND 32 a couple times. No further comment. 

@NDRA is that what you were thinkin'? 

Known for their chicken strips, nice 

[gfhockey]

Well I see the director of aquatics operations retired today. Wonder if that could free up some money

[SooToo]

Trolling for perspective on Pawlak's move and ran across this interesting post on E-Griz:

 

"Tommy schuester was a 4 year starter who enrolled in the portal as a grad transfer he transferred to michigan state to play under Jonathan smith... Schuster was told by Smith that it was a wide open completion for the qb. Spot..
He is a really good kid and teamate.

As far as the other coaches leaving, I know that Bubba scweigert has two years remaining on his current contract, and they encouraged former o.c. Danny Freund to try and get more experience coaching elsewhere so he would have a wider scope of experience if and when comes back to potentially be the next und head coach after schweigert leaves."

 No idea who the poster could be but seems to suggest having some inside Perspective. But it's a message board so you never know...

Posters over there, by the way, have visited SS and read about "all the offensive coaches jumping ship" and are looking forward to their game here next fall.

[FSSD]

45 minutes ago, SooToo said:

Trolling for perspective on Pawlak's move and ran across this interesting post on E-Griz:

 

"Tommy schuester was a 4 year starter who enrolled in the portal as a grad transfer he transferred to michigan state to play under Jonathan smith... Schuster was told by Smith that it was a wide open completion for the qb. Spot..
He is a really good kid and teamate.

As far as the other coaches leaving, I know that Bubba scweigert has two years remaining on his current contract, and they encouraged former o.c. Danny Freund to try and get more experience coaching elsewhere so he would have a wider scope of experience if and when comes back to potentially be the next und head coach after schweigert leaves."

 No idea who the poster could be but seems to suggest having some inside Perspective. But it's a message board so you never know...

Posters over there, by the way, have visited SS and read about "all the offensive coaches jumping ship" and are looking forward to their game here next fall.

But, that doesn't jive with the UND offering Danny Freund more money to stay?  If that was the messaging from UND in the beginning.  I am not sure that you would see the response that you have.

[Oxbow6]

1 hour ago, gfhockey said:

Well I see the director of aquatics operations retired today. Wonder if that could free up some money

Not a better guy within the UND AD over the past 30+ years than Brian. 

[Nodak78]

1 hour ago, SooToo said:

Trolling for perspective on Pawlak's move and ran across this interesting post on E-Griz:

 

"Tommy schuester was a 4 year starter who enrolled in the portal as a grad transfer he transferred to michigan state to play under Jonathan smith... Schuster was told by Smith that it was a wide open completion for the qb. Spot..
He is a really good kid and teamate.

As far as the other coaches leaving, I know that Bubba scweigert has two years remaining on his current contract, and they encouraged former o.c. Danny Freund to try and get more experience coaching elsewhere so he would have a wider scope of experience if and when comes back to potentially be the next und head coach after schweigert leaves."

 No idea who the poster could be but seems to suggest having some inside Perspective. But it's a message board so you never know...

Posters over there, by the way, have visited SS and read about "all the offensive coaches jumping ship" and are looking forward to their game here next fall.

Smith?

[SooToo]

11 minutes ago, FSSD said:

But, that doesn't jive with the UND offering Danny Freund more money to stay?  If that was the messaging from UND in the beginning.  I am not sure that you would see the response that you have.

Agree, the post doesn't jive with info from other sources. (Don't remember who said UND counter-offered; and Freund was quoted in the paper saying it was a hard decision but best for his family and career.) The comments on Schuester being "a really good kid and a good teammate" made me wonder if the post couldn't be from a UND player but again, it's the internet; anything's possible. Maybe Tommy's mom. 

[SooToo]

3 minutes ago, Nodak78 said:

Smith?

jonathan smith, incoming coach at michigan state (coming from oregon state).

[nodak651]

1 hour ago, SooToo said:

Trolling for perspective on Pawlak's move and ran across this interesting post on E-Griz:

 

"Tommy schuester was a 4 year starter who enrolled in the portal as a grad transfer he transferred to michigan state to play under Jonathan smith... Schuster was told by Smith that it was a wide open completion for the qb. Spot..
He is a really good kid and teamate.

As far as the other coaches leaving, I know that Bubba scweigert has two years remaining on his current contract, and they encouraged former o.c. Danny Freund to try and get more experience coaching elsewhere so he would have a wider scope of experience if and when comes back to potentially be the next und head coach after schweigert leaves."

 No idea who the poster could be but seems to suggest having some inside Perspective. But it's a message board so you never know...

Posters over there, by the way, have visited SS and read about "all the offensive coaches jumping ship" and are looking forward to their game here next fall.

22 minutes ago, FSSD said:

But, that doesn't jive with the UND offering Danny Freund more money to stay?  If that was the messaging from UND in the beginning.  I am not sure that you would see the response that you have.

It could also be an assumption, or he could have misinterpreted someone's speculation as fact.  It's also not unreasonable to assume that someone may have given Freund that advise, or that could have been Freund's reason for leaving, while at the same time Bubba and the athletic department wanted him to stay.  I do know for a fact that the athletic department wanted him to stay.

[CMSioux]

2 hours ago, Goon said:

CM Sioux is from the crowd that says, "But we made the playoffs... or we finally beat NDSU this year." We should just be happy with a mediocre 7-5 record and a first-round playoff exit every year.  

Actually I feel everyone's pain, I'm just among those who understand that constant b#tching on a fan site accomplishes nothing and has been said before recruits, parents of recruits probably find this place. Not that it needs to be all sunshine and roses but there is little doubt this site often becomes a cesspool of negativity and has driven some away. I'm ready to move on from Bubba which means a couple of years of regrouping. Unlike some I have my season tickets and I pay my Champion's Club dues no matter what the situation. 

[UND1983]

1 hour ago, SooToo said:

Trolling for perspective on Pawlak's move and ran across this interesting post on E-Griz:

 

"Tommy schuester was a 4 year starter who enrolled in the portal as a grad transfer he transferred to michigan state to play under Jonathan smith... Schuster was told by Smith that it was a wide open completion for the qb. Spot..
He is a really good kid and teamate.

As far as the other coaches leaving, I know that Bubba scweigert has two years remaining on his current contract, and they encouraged former o.c. Danny Freund to try and get more experience coaching elsewhere so he would have a wider scope of experience if and when comes back to potentially be the next und head coach after schweigert leaves."

 No idea who the poster could be but seems to suggest having some inside Perspective. But it's a message board so you never know...

Posters over there, by the way, have visited SS and read about "all the offensive coaches jumping ship" and are looking forward to their game here next fall.

Not true with Danny.  It may work out that way sure

[Nodak78]

19 minutes ago, SooToo said:

jonathan smith, incoming coach at michigan state (coming from oregon state).

Thanks.  I was thinking UND.

[The Sicatoka]

14 hours ago, petey23 said:

IYKYK

May have stopped there on way home to Bismarck from UND a few times.....depends who is asking.

Shortcut home. Thompson exit, HWY 15 west past Northwood, North south on 32 through Aneta, Finley, Pillsbury and Oriska...last buidling on the left before jumping back on 94 and heading west.

FYP.

And no, no, no ... down to ND 200, Mayville, Portland, west edge of Portland south to Clifford, then county highway west to Hope then ND 32 then south to Helmer's ... I mean Oriska.  

[Goon]

48 minutes ago, The Sicatoka said:

FYP.

And no, no, no ... down to ND 200, Mayville, Portland, west edge of Portland south to Clifford, then county highway west to Hope then ND 32 then south to Helmer's ... I mean Oriska.  

I don't think that bar is open anymore. We drove by it in 2022 and it looked abandoned.  

[petey23]

54 minutes ago, The Sicatoka said:

FYP.

And no, no, no ... down to ND 200, Mayville, Portland, west edge of Portland south to Clifford, then county highway west to Hope then ND 32 then south to Helmer's ... I mean Oriska.  

Parents are from Northwood originally so was conditioned to this route. Not sure why I said North instead of south?

[The Sicatoka]

6 minutes ago, Goon said:

I don't think that bar is open anymore. We drove by it in 2022 and it looked abandoned.  

It looked abandoned when it was still open.  

[The Sicatoka]

1 minute ago, petey23 said:

Parents are from Northwood originally so was conditioned to this route. Not sure why I said North instead of south?

I'll take the Northwood excuse, but going all the way to Aneta just to come back to Sharon? Why not drop to Hatton then over to Finley. Nice little pub at Golden Lake in the summers.  

[Irish]

In my opinion the “good old boys club” isn’t a well organized group with regular meetings and minutes. In Bubba’s case it was a group of older former athletes who knew Bubba and supporters anchored by Bubba’s family.  They absolutely lobbied hard for Bubba’s hire.  I know that they talked to many people about supporting Bubba (which is their right) .  I can’t speak to how much sway they held with the AD but look at the results.  And a big selling point was that he is UND family and bleeds Sioux green.  

[fightingsioux4life]

3 minutes ago, Irish said:

In my opinion the “good old boys club” isn’t a well organized group with regular meetings and minutes. In Bubba’s case it was a group of older former athletes who knew Bubba and supporters anchored by Bubba’s family.  They absolutely lobbied hard for Bubba’s hire.  I know that they talked to many people about supporting Bubba (which is their right) .  I can’t speak to how much sway they held with the AD but look at the results.  And a big selling point was that he is UND family and bleeds Sioux green.  

This is probably what happened.

[UND08]

15 hours ago, CMSioux said:

Actually I feel everyone's pain, I'm just among those who understand that constant b#tching on a fan site accomplishes nothing and has been said before recruits, parents of recruits probably find this place. Not that it needs to be all sunshine and roses but there is little doubt this site often becomes a cesspool of negativity and has driven some away. I'm ready to move on from Bubba which means a couple of years of regrouping. Unlike some I have my season tickets and I pay my Champion's Club dues no matter what the situation. 

I'm sorry that your post is going to inspire my rant CM...but here it comes anyway...

Why does everyone think we have to be so dang "North Dakota Nice" on a stinking message board?!?!  Of course this is where everyone comes to complain and vent...that's how every message board in the COUNTRY works!!!  Fan is short for "fanatic" after all...and if recruits are turned off by a message board then they should just go to a school like Southern Utah or Idaho State where fan apathy is so strong that they don't have these kinds of sites...of course they won't get NIL or any kind of great support...because those "fanatics" are the types that write those checks...because they CARE!

Of course...if/when UND goes 4-8 next year, blows the whole thing up, and the rebuild fails...UND football might look awfully similar...

Most of us would just be happy to see a freaking VISION from the athletic dept. that shows WHAT the expectations are for the program, HOW we are going to meet said expectations...and then a follow through on holding people in leadership positions accountable if those expectations aren't met.  Hell we are part of that as fans!  If you need an extra million a year to compete in recruiting come up with a plan and pitch it to us!  It's not unreasonable to expect greatness...hell its healthy!  We get a taste of success...a lot of teams build on it.  Some teams lose steam because those responsible for success move on to bigger pastures.  Meanwhile the events of the last 3.5 months at UND are so stereotypically UND under Bubba that I'm not even surprised anymore.  It's 2 steps forward 1 step back.  Bubba's had 10 years at UND.  That's an ETERNITY in his profession!  If you're not going to take the program any further then we need to do something else...because when it goes stale it's not a pretty sight.  Meanwhile our athletic department let the two most talented coaches we have on staff walk for lateral jobs where they got paid more and have a better chance to succeed.  Again...reeks of stale air in the program.  Of course nobody is coming after our defensive coaches and offering them opportunities.  Makes sense...we are a defensive minded football team after all...

And why should I feel bad for hurting a recruit or players' feelings?!?  They're pseudo employees now after all.  We give them a chance and they ball out...chances are they'll just hit the portal anyway to get that bag!  This is now de facto professional sports.

So how dare you question my loyalty by saying that you pay your dues no matter what (and inferring that I don't)...my loyalty is the only reason I'm pissed off at the direction of the program!  And ya know...more and more every passing day I'm questioning why I even bother...that's dangerous ground for an FCS football program trying to compete with the others on I-29...because I know I'm not the only one that feels that way...and their fan bases are much more dialed in.  UND might be a top 20 ish team in the FCS...problem is they are consistently #4 on the list of those that actually matter in this area...out of 4!  Tough draw no doubt...but life's not fair!  Even when we house NDSU at home...this is what we follow it up with (while SDSU wins a title and NDSU makes a deep playoff run, hires a new staff, poaches our OC, starts a collective that keeps attractive transfer candidates at home)?!?!  Gross...

I expect this program to be great.  That's been the expectation for UND football for as long as I can remember.  If we are content with 7-5 every year and a first round exit please just let me know and I'll find something else to do in the fall.   Those of you who wear the "In Bubba we Trust" shirts walking around parking lots are getting to be more and more in the minority.  If the portal bleeds us dry and we go 5-7 or 4-8 next fall, it's going to be ugly.  Chaves and Bubba should get their walking papers together.

Hope everyone figures their crap out...but I'm not holding my breath...

[fightingsioux4life]

3 minutes ago, UND08 said:

I'm sorry that your post is going to inspire my rant CM...but here it comes anyway...

Why does everyone think we have to be so dang "North Dakota Nice" on a stinking message board?!?!  Of course this is where everyone comes to complain and vent...that's how every message board in the COUNTRY works!!!  Fan is short for "fanatic" after all...and if recruits are turned off by a message board then they should just go to a school like Southern Utah or Idaho State where fan apathy is so strong that they don't have these kinds of sites...

Of course...if/when UND goes 4-8 next year, blows the whole thing up, and the rebuild fails...UND football might look awfully similar...

Most of us would just be happy to see a freaking VISION from the athletic dept. that shows WHAT the expectations are for the program, HOW we are going to meet said expectations...and then a follow through on holding people in leadership positions accountable if those expectations aren't met.  It's not unreasonable to expect greatness...hell its healthy!  We get a taste of success...a lot of teams build on it.  Some teams lose steam because those responsible for success move on to bigger pastures.  Meanwhile the events of the last 3.5 months at UND are so stereotypically UND under Bubba that I'm not even surprised anymore.  It's 2 steps forward 1 step back.  Bubba's had 10 years at UND.  That's an ETERNITY in his profession!  If you're not going to take the program any further then we need to do something else...because when it goes stale it's not a pretty site.  Meanwhile our athletic department let the two most talented coaches we have on staff walk for lateral jobs where they got paid more and have a better chance to succeed.  Again...reeks of stale air in the program.  Of course nobody is coming after our defensive coaches and offering them opportunities.  Makes sense...we are a defensive minded football team after all...

And why should I feel bad for hurting a recruit or players' feelings?!?  They're pseudo employees now after all.  We give them a chance and they ball out...chances are they'll just hit the portal anyway to get that bag!  This is now de facto professional sports.

So how dare you question my loyalty by saying that you pay your dues no matter what (and inferring that I don't)...my loyalty is the only reason I'm pissed off at the direction of the program!  And ya know...more and more every passing day I'm questioning why I even bother...that's dangerous ground for an FCS football program trying to compete with the others on I-29...because I know I'm not the only one that feels that way...and their fan bases are much more dialed in.  UND might be a top 20 ish team in the FCS...problem is they are consistently #4 on the list of those that actually matter in this area...out of 4!  Tough draw no doubt...but life's not fair!  Even when we house NDSU at home...this is what we follow it up with?!?!  Gross...

I expect this program to be great.  That's been the expectation for UND football for as long as I can remember.  If we are content with 7-5 every year and a first round exit please just let me know and I'll find something else to do in the fall.   Those of you who wear the "In Bubba we Trust" shirts walking around parking lots are getting to be more and more in the minority.  If the portal bleeds us dry and we go 5-7 or 4-8 next fall, it's going to be ugly.  Chaves and Bubba should get their walking papers together.

Hope everyone figures their crap out...but I'm not holding my breath...

AMEN x 1000%

[SiouxBoys]

16 minutes ago, UND08 said:

Of course nobody is coming after our defensive coaches and offering them opportunities.  Makes sense...we are a defensive minded football team after all...

 

I can confirm this is 100% not true. 

[UND08]

6 minutes ago, SiouxBoys said:

I can confirm this is 100% not true. 

Then they should leave too the way this whole "lame duck" coaching setup is going...