Some Thoughts on UND's FB Program

[UND Fan]

I was one of the first ss.com members – joining almost 21 years ago.  I won’t be on the site much going forward but will give some thoughts regarding UND football on a few topics first.  I will try not to make this too long and I have no interest in debating my thoughts with anyone.

Recruiting

I have followed our recruiting efforts for many years and was the guy doing the Wiki updates for the last 10 years or so until turning the job over to Hardcore Hawk (who is doing a good job) last year.  During that time frame, I followed thousands of potential recruits during the recruiting process.  This included kids who attended our camps, prospects we offered or were offered by other conference schools, prospects listed in recruiting websites (247 Sports, etc.), kids whose dads played for us, etc.  I have followed these prospects during the recruiting process via their social media as well as other teams’ fan websites.

Our recruiting classes of the last 15 years or so have not been great.  If you look at the limited number of:  signees we get that other top teams wanted, players contributing as true freshmen, players making all-conference teams, UND players in the NFL (or even getting good looks), etc.  We are getting lots of kids without any, or very few, FCS offers.  These are good, hard-working kids with some talent but turn out to be average-to-very good FCS players.  This needs to change - we need more high-end FSC level recruits before we can expect to be truly competitive year in and year out.

There has been a lot of talk about UND’s location (geography and weather) with many saying that it doesn’t have any negative effect on recruiting.  Those who think that location isn’t an issue are very much mistaken!  Most kids want to play somewhere that their parents, grandparents and/or girlfriends can attend most games.  Although it is improving, the number of talented prospects from ND and NW Minnesota is limited.  When you are recruiting kids from Nebraska, Kansas, Iowa, Illinois, etc., there are so many other FCS schools much closer than we are – including all the Dakota teams.  The two SUs are getting most of the kids they really want.  It’s not just NDSU we have to worry about now, SDSU has been winning just as many battles as NDSU (geography is helping them with some kids).  I would like to see us recruit the Winnipeg market (heck, all of Canada) harder.

Facilities are improving but are not there yet.  If you had ever seen the offices and locker room under Memorial, they were worse than you can imagine.  It was surprising any talented kids chose UND back then.  In a couple of years, we should have facilities equal to (maybe better) than the other Dakota schools.  That will help a great deal but there is still the distance issue.

I will talk about NDSU a little later but, as the Fargo/West Fargo metro area continues to prosper and grow, the number of talented FB players in this market will continue to grow.  We need to get a decent share of those kids.  If SU lands the lion’s share, it will be easier for their dominance over UND to continue.

Bubba    

Bubba and I are pretty good friends but I truly don’t have a great handle on his ability to lead us to the point where we consistently challenge for conference and national championships.  I certainly have disagreed with some of his decisions at critical times in important games over the last 2-3 years.   However, based on our inability to land many top-notch prospects, Bubba might be doing a hell of a job!

Athletic Department Funding      

Funding remains a major issue.  At this point, we are unable to pay our coaches competitively nor are we able to provide many of the “bells & whistles” for players provided by other programs. 

The latter is one of the reasons I organized seven “Let’s Help Bubba” campaigns over the last few years.  We raised $60,000+ for first class knee braces, Guardian helmet caps, computer equipment for breaking down film, quality cold-weather jackets for outside games, etc.

I offered to run a LHB8 last fall.  I was not pleased when it did not happen.  It was not anyone in the FB program who dropped the ball.  I will leave it at that!

I won’t get into details but I have some real concerns about our athletic fund-raising efforts especially related to the Champions Club. 

It makes common sense that averaging attendance of 10,000+ will create more revenue and a better game day experience – this needs to happen soon.  We all agree that winning and a positive fan experience at the Alerus will have a positive effect on attendance.

Lastly, on the topic of money, many have stated that the Engelstads only care about hockey.  I have wanted to post this for a few years but understood it was not to be made public.  Just recently, it did become public - Kris Engelstad has written a check paying for all FB players' summer school tuition for many years.  That is not a small check as most FB players are taking classes during the summer.     

NDSU

I attended UND when the rivalry was much more intense than it is today.  I dislike the Bison as much as (probably more than) any other ss.com member.  That said, it is ludicrous to continuously put down their FB program as well as the rest of their athletic department.  Now that their womens BB team as back to being good, SU is very competitive in every sport.  That certainly can’t be said for UND.  Their expectations are to be successful and nothing else is acceptable.  They do what is necessary to remain successful!

Team Makers fundraising efforts pay for 100% of all athletic scholarships at SU every year.  The Champions Club funds less than one-half of UND scholarship needs.  Just think about what UND Athletics could do with an extra $2+ million every year.

SS.com

The constant bantering back and forth is getting real old and is one of the reasons I won’t be visiting the site much going forward.  Too often, neither party knows what they were talking about in these “infantile” discussions.  My recommendation – if iramurphy posts a comment (FB or otherwise), you can be confident that it is factual.  He has the most knowledge and experience of UND athletics (and athletics in general) of any active ss.com member.

Lastly, if you aren’t supporting UND athletics financially as best as you can through Champions Club membership or one of the other funding programs, don’t bitch about our coaching salaries, our bidding for home playoff games, etc.

 

Reviewing the above, it probably came across a bit too negative.  I think the program continues to make progress.   Hopefully, we will soon be able to seriously compete for league championships and first round playoff spots annually.   The new facilities should help a great deal!

You will see me posting once in a while but, guys – please grow up and stay away from the juvenile discussions.  Some prospective recruits (and often their parents) check out a school’s fan websites.  Anyone reading ours would not be impressed.  I fully realize that a lot of this is common on fan websites but that doesn't mean we need to follow their lead!

[UND Fan]

16 minutes ago, SiouxFanSince1990 said:

Oh boy are you special.

I guess it may have come across that way - it certainly wasn't my intention!

[Siouxperman8]

29 minutes ago, UND Fan said:

I was one of the first ss.com members – joining almost 21 years ago.  I won’t be on the site much going forward but will give some thoughts regarding UND football on a few topics first.  I will try not to make this too long and I have no interest in debating my thoughts with anyone.

Recruiting

I have followed our recruiting efforts for many years and was the guy doing the Wiki updates for the last 10 years or so until turning the job over to Hardcore Hawk (who is doing a good job) last year.  During that time frame, I followed thousands of potential recruits during the recruiting process.  This included kids who attended our camps, prospects we offered or were offered by other conference schools, prospects listed in recruiting websites (247 Sports, etc.), kids whose dads played for us, etc.  I have followed these prospects during the recruiting process via their social media as well as other teams’ fan websites.

Our recruiting classes of the last 15 years or so have not been great.  If you look at the limited number of:  signees we get that other top teams wanted, players contributing as true freshmen, players making all-conference teams, UND players in the NFL (or even getting good looks), etc.  We are getting lots of kids without any, or very few, FCS offers.  These are good, hard-working kids with some talent but turn out to be average-to-very good FCS players.  This needs to change - we need more high-end FSC level recruits before we can expect to be truly competitive year in and year out.

There has been a lot of talk about UND’s location (geography and weather) with many saying that it doesn’t have any negative effect on recruiting.  Those who think that location isn’t an issue are very much mistaken!  Most kids want to play somewhere that their parents, grandparents and/or girlfriends can attend most games.  Although it is improving, the number of talented prospects from ND and NW Minnesota is limited.  When you are recruiting kids from Nebraska, Kansas, Iowa, Illinois, etc., there are so many other FCS schools much closer than we are – including all the Dakota teams.  The two SUs are getting most of the kids they really want.  It’s not just NDSU we have to worry about now, SDSU has been winning just as many battles as NDSU (geography is helping them with some kids).  I would like to see us recruit the Winnipeg market (heck, all of Canada) harder.

Facilities are improving but are not there yet.  If you had ever seen the offices and locker room under Memorial, they were worse than you can imagine.  It was surprising any talented kids chose UND back then.  In a couple of years, we should have facilities equal to (maybe better) than the other Dakota schools.  That will help a great deal but there is still the distance issue.

I will talk about NDSU a little later but, as the Fargo/West Fargo metro area continues to prosper and grow, the number of talented FB players in this market will continue to grow.  We need to get a decent share of those kids.  If SU lands the lion’s share, it will be easier for their dominance over UND to continue.

Bubba    

Bubba and I are pretty good friends but I truly don’t have a great handle on his ability to lead us to the point where we consistently challenge for conference and national championships.  I certainly have disagreed with some of his decisions at critical times in important games over the last 2-3 years.   However, based on our inability to land many top-notch prospects, Bubba might be doing a hell of a job!

Athletic Department Funding      

Funding remains a major issue.  At this point, we are unable to pay our coaches competitively nor are we able to provide many of the “bells & whistles” for players provided by other programs. 

The latter is one of the reasons I organized seven “Let’s Help Bubba” campaigns over the last few years.  We raised $60,000+ for first class knee braces, Guardian helmet caps, computer equipment for breaking down film, quality cold-weather jackets for outside games, etc.

I offered to run a LHB8 last fall.  I was not pleased when it did not happen.  It was not anyone in the FB program who dropped the ball.  I will leave it at that!

I won’t get into details but I have some real concerns about our athletic fund-raising efforts especially related to the Champions Club. 

It makes common sense that averaging attendance of 10,000+ will create more revenue and a better game day experience – this needs to happen soon.  We all agree that winning and a positive fan experience at the Alerus will have a positive effect on attendance.

Lastly, on the topic of money, many have stated that the Engelstads only care about hockey.  I have wanted to post this for a few years but understood it was not to be made public.  Just recently, it did become public - Kris Engelstad has written a check paying for all FB players' summer school tuition for many years.  That is not a small check as most FB players are taking classes during the summer.     

NDSU

I attended UND when the rivalry was much more intense than it is today.  I dislike the Bison as much as (probably more than) any other ss.com member.  That said, it is ludicrous to continuously put down their FB program as well as the rest of their athletic department.  Now that their womens BB team as back to being good, SU is very competitive in every sport.  That certainly can’t be said for UND.  Their expectations are to be successful and nothing else is acceptable.  They do what is necessary to remain successful!

Team Makers fundraising efforts pay for 100% of all athletic scholarships at SU every year.  The Champions Club funds less than one-half of UND scholarship needs.  Just think about what UND Athletics could do with an extra $2+ million every year.

SS.com

The constant bantering back and forth is getting real old and is one of the reasons I won’t be visiting the site much going forward.  Too often, neither party knows what they were talking about in these “infantile” discussions.  My recommendation – if iramurphy posts a comment (FB or otherwise), you can be confident that it is factual.  He has the most knowledge and experience of UND athletics (and athletics in general) of any active ss.com member.

Lastly, if you aren’t supporting UND athletics financially as best as you can through Champions Club membership or one of the other funding programs, don’t bitch about our coaching salaries, our bidding for home playoff games, etc.

 

Reviewing the above, it probably came across a bit too negative.  I think the program continues to make progress.   Hopefully, we will soon be able to seriously compete for league championships and first round playoff spots annually.   The new facilities should help a great deal!

You will see me posting once in a while but, guys – please grow up and stay away from the juvenile discussions.  Some prospective recruits (and often their parents) check out a school’s fan websites.  Anyone reading ours would not be impressed.  I fully realize that a lot of this is common on fan websites but that doesn't mean we need to follow their lead!

The only disagreement I have with this post is that it would probably be a tie between you and a lot of us as to how much we dislike the Bison.  

[farce poobah]

@UND Fan, thank you for coordinating LHB over the years.   Every contribution helps.

I agree with the geography issue, which makes completion of HPC phases important.  (And Fargo is only one hour away, NBD.)  We can overcome geography with facilities and the support of the University and fans. 

[iramurphy]

Just now, UND Fan said:

I guess it may have come across that way - it certainly wasn't my intention!

It didn’t come across that way. Some folks just can’t seem to help themselves.
 

This was  the best summary and critique of UND FB, our athletic department, funding, facilities, recruiting, location and the nonsense posted on our forum. It out lines our challenges pretty clearly. I think you were spot on with our recruiting struggles and also your summary of Bubba.
 

Sadly, as you could see from the first reply, some folks are empowered by the anonymity of social media and will continue to derail conversations. 

Thanks for your work on Wiki recruiting updates.

I believe there are a number of folks who are willing to give time and resources to move our athletic programs. (The $60,000 you spearheaded that was raised by folks on this forum, is one example. My sense is there is an overwhelming fear of losing control of funds and how they might be distributed. 
 

I appreciate your summary and your efforts on behalf of UND. 

[CMSioux]

Champions Club management is the elephant in the room.

[1966guy]

1 hour ago, SiouxFanSince1990 said:

Oh boy are you special.

This comment cements his point about this board big time.  I guess it hurts to hear the truth.

[Mama Sue]

I appreciate UND Fan and his honest comments. Thank you. I also enjoy reading comments from ira, sickota, and geaux sioux…. Thanks for being leaders AND I did message ira telling him is mother raised him right. All 3 of you are the same way.

The whole $$$ of college ball (and other sports) has changed so much of what made college ball college ball. I still enjoy sitting at the 50 yard line and being part of it.

UND Fan was spot on…..what are the next steps?

If I get negative and whining (I hate whining), some just tell me you need a kick in the rear.

GO SIOUX

[FSSD]

1 hour ago, UND Fan said:

I guess it may have come across that way - it certainly wasn't my intention!

Thanks for everything you have done and I do hope that you keep posting.  We need to keep people around with a strong historical knowledge to keep things balanced.

[F'n Hawks]

3 hours ago, UND Fan said:

I was one of the first ss.com members – joining almost 21 years ago.  I won’t be on the site much going forward but will give some thoughts regarding UND football on a few topics first.  I will try not to make this too long and I have no interest in debating my thoughts with anyone.

Recruiting

I have followed our recruiting efforts for many years and was the guy doing the Wiki updates for the last 10 years or so until turning the job over to Hardcore Hawk (who is doing a good job) last year.  During that time frame, I followed thousands of potential recruits during the recruiting process.  This included kids who attended our camps, prospects we offered or were offered by other conference schools, prospects listed in recruiting websites (247 Sports, etc.), kids whose dads played for us, etc.  I have followed these prospects during the recruiting process via their social media as well as other teams’ fan websites.

Our recruiting classes of the last 15 years or so have not been great.  If you look at the limited number of:  signees we get that other top teams wanted, players contributing as true freshmen, players making all-conference teams, UND players in the NFL (or even getting good looks), etc.  We are getting lots of kids without any, or very few, FCS offers.  These are good, hard-working kids with some talent but turn out to be average-to-very good FCS players.  This needs to change - we need more high-end FSC level recruits before we can expect to be truly competitive year in and year out.

There has been a lot of talk about UND’s location (geography and weather) with many saying that it doesn’t have any negative effect on recruiting.  Those who think that location isn’t an issue are very much mistaken!  Most kids want to play somewhere that their parents, grandparents and/or girlfriends can attend most games.  Although it is improving, the number of talented prospects from ND and NW Minnesota is limited.  When you are recruiting kids from Nebraska, Kansas, Iowa, Illinois, etc., there are so many other FCS schools much closer than we are – including all the Dakota teams.  The two SUs are getting most of the kids they really want.  It’s not just NDSU we have to worry about now, SDSU has been winning just as many battles as NDSU (geography is helping them with some kids).  I would like to see us recruit the Winnipeg market (heck, all of Canada) harder.

Facilities are improving but are not there yet.  If you had ever seen the offices and locker room under Memorial, they were worse than you can imagine.  It was surprising any talented kids chose UND back then.  In a couple of years, we should have facilities equal to (maybe better) than the other Dakota schools.  That will help a great deal but there is still the distance issue.

I will talk about NDSU a little later but, as the Fargo/West Fargo metro area continues to prosper and grow, the number of talented FB players in this market will continue to grow.  We need to get a decent share of those kids.  If SU lands the lion’s share, it will be easier for their dominance over UND to continue.

Bubba    

Bubba and I are pretty good friends but I truly don’t have a great handle on his ability to lead us to the point where we consistently challenge for conference and national championships.  I certainly have disagreed with some of his decisions at critical times in important games over the last 2-3 years.   However, based on our inability to land many top-notch prospects, Bubba might be doing a hell of a job!

Athletic Department Funding      

Funding remains a major issue.  At this point, we are unable to pay our coaches competitively nor are we able to provide many of the “bells & whistles” for players provided by other programs. 

The latter is one of the reasons I organized seven “Let’s Help Bubba” campaigns over the last few years.  We raised $60,000+ for first class knee braces, Guardian helmet caps, computer equipment for breaking down film, quality cold-weather jackets for outside games, etc.

I offered to run a LHB8 last fall.  I was not pleased when it did not happen.  It was not anyone in the FB program who dropped the ball.  I will leave it at that!

I won’t get into details but I have some real concerns about our athletic fund-raising efforts especially related to the Champions Club. 

It makes common sense that averaging attendance of 10,000+ will create more revenue and a better game day experience – this needs to happen soon.  We all agree that winning and a positive fan experience at the Alerus will have a positive effect on attendance.

Lastly, on the topic of money, many have stated that the Engelstads only care about hockey.  I have wanted to post this for a few years but understood it was not to be made public.  Just recently, it did become public - Kris Engelstad has written a check paying for all FB players' summer school tuition for many years.  That is not a small check as most FB players are taking classes during the summer.     

NDSU

I attended UND when the rivalry was much more intense than it is today.  I dislike the Bison as much as (probably more than) any other ss.com member.  That said, it is ludicrous to continuously put down their FB program as well as the rest of their athletic department.  Now that their womens BB team as back to being good, SU is very competitive in every sport.  That certainly can’t be said for UND.  Their expectations are to be successful and nothing else is acceptable.  They do what is necessary to remain successful!

Team Makers fundraising efforts pay for 100% of all athletic scholarships at SU every year.  The Champions Club funds less than one-half of UND scholarship needs.  Just think about what UND Athletics could do with an extra $2+ million every year.

SS.com

The constant bantering back and forth is getting real old and is one of the reasons I won’t be visiting the site much going forward.  Too often, neither party knows what they were talking about in these “infantile” discussions.  My recommendation – if iramurphy posts a comment (FB or otherwise), you can be confident that it is factual.  He has the most knowledge and experience of UND athletics (and athletics in general) of any active ss.com member.

Lastly, if you aren’t supporting UND athletics financially as best as you can through Champions Club membership or one of the other funding programs, don’t bitch about our coaching salaries, our bidding for home playoff games, etc.

 

Reviewing the above, it probably came across a bit too negative.  I think the program continues to make progress.   Hopefully, we will soon be able to seriously compete for league championships and first round playoff spots annually.   The new facilities should help a great deal!

You will see me posting once in a while but, guys – please grow up and stay away from the juvenile discussions.  Some prospective recruits (and often their parents) check out a school’s fan websites.  Anyone reading ours would not be impressed.  I fully realize that a lot of this is common on fan websites but that doesn't mean we need to follow their lead!

Thank you for everything you have done on this site, the wiki, and the LHB. This is a very well written post, and I think most of us would agree with your assessments. 

[Dustin]

56 minutes ago, FSSD said:

I do hope that you keep posting.

Agreed. We need knowledgeable, fact based posters to keep the place in line. 

[Dustin]

3 hours ago, UND Fan said:

I would like to see us recruit the Winnipeg market (heck, all of Canada) harder.

I have said on here sometime in the past that UND should be out-recruiting every other US university when it comes to Canadian (especially Winnipeg) athletes in any sport, including football.

[Siouxperman8]

1 hour ago, Dustin said:

I have said on here sometime in the past that UND should be out-recruiting every other US university when it comes to Canadian (especially Winnipeg) athletes in any sport, including football.

We used to be loaded with really good Canadian players in the 70's and 80's.  Some of that had to do with the Blue Bombers having CFL rights to some players in their region and helping steer them to UND.  I don't know the details of how that worked.

They must still be out there.  Not sure where they generally go to college now. 

[SiouxFan100]

Every other one doesn’t show up

[1966guy]

5 hours ago, SiouxFanSince1990 said:

The virtue signaling and preening.

Grow a spine.

Virtue signaling and preening.  I had no idea Bill O'Reilly had any interest in North Dakota football.  Welcome aboard Bill.  I'm a huge fan!

[The Sicatoka]

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Lastly, if you aren’t supporting UND athletics financially as best as you can through Champions Club membership or one of the other funding programs, don’t bitch about our coaching salaries, our bidding for home playoff games, etc.

Truth. 

I can’t believe the category I show up in in the most recent alumni report. Hockey tickets (champions club) and giving hearts day adds up over time I guess.

I won’t get to see my final standing, at least with these eyes. (If you don’t get it, think: will.)

[iramurphy]

13 hours ago, Siouxperman8 said:

We used to be loaded with really good Canadian players in the 70's and 80's.  Some of that had to do with the Blue Bombers having CFL rights to some players in their region and helping steer them to UND.  I don't know the details of how that worked.

They must still be out there.  Not sure where they generally go to college now. 

There were a couple of connections back then. Former UND player Paul Robson played for the Blue Bombers for 8 years and later served as their General Manager. His son later played at UND and he maintained a great relationship with UND FB during those years. 
For a number of years, UND’s FB coaches would participate in off season/preseason evaluations and practices with Edmonton. I don’t recall the details of that exact involvement. I believe the regional rights clause you mentioned, allowed teams to bring in players in their region for workouts. When our coaches saw guys with talent/potential that weren’t quite ready for the CFL, they recruited them to UND. The best player to come from that connection was Dave Fennell who is in the UND and CFL Hall of Fame, but there were others. 

[Bison Dan]

1 hour ago, iramurphy said:

There were a couple of connections back then. Former UND player Paul Robson played for the Blue Bombers for 8 years and later served as their General Manager. His son later played at UND and he maintained a great relationship with UND FB during those years. 
For a number of years, UND’s FB coaches would participate in off season/preseason evaluations and practices with Edmonton. I don’t recall the details of that exact involvement. I believe the regional rights clause you mentioned, allowed teams to bring in players in their region for workouts. When our coaches saw guys with talent/potential that weren’t quite ready for the CFL, they recruited them to UND. The best player to come from that connection was Dave Fennell who is in the UND and CFL Hall of Fame, but there were others. 

Didn't RT coach for the Bombers?

[Siouxperman8]

1 hour ago, iramurphy said:

There were a couple of connections back then. Former UND player Paul Robson played for the Blue Bombers for 8 years and later served as their General Manager. His son later played at UND and he maintained a great relationship with UND FB during those years. 
For a number of years, UND’s FB coaches would participate in off season/preseason evaluations and practices with Edmonton. I don’t recall the details of that exact involvement. I believe the regional rights clause you mentioned, allowed teams to bring in players in their region for workouts. When our coaches saw guys with talent/potential that weren’t quite ready for the CFL, they recruited them to UND. The best player to come from that connection was Dave Fennell who is in the UND and CFL Hall of Fame, but there were others. 

Fennell probably the best.  Stan Mikowas and Milson Jones also  had great careers in cfl. 

Also had Doug Ploen and Jeff Jauch whose fathers were with the Bombers too.  

[SWSiouxMN]

41 minutes ago, Bison Dan said:

Didn't RT coach for the Bombers?

Looks like Toronto 

[ND-fan]

Thank you, Und Fan, very much appreciated. I agree with points on recruiting and funding for all of UND Athletics. I am not as knowledgeable as you are about the ins and outs of the Athletic program with UND but i have posted numerous times Athletic Administration i believe is not performing or doing enough to raise and promote the UND athletics. If i have criticism of Athletic department it is to focused on just Grand Forks market and has forgotten as I remember when UND projected, it represented state of North Dakota as well as Northwestern Minnesota not to mention we had name out into Canada. Second criticism I have is public relations and media department does not promote UND Athletics nearly enough to build any interest in sports at UND. I hear more facts and positives here than i do on any media sources locally. I know they are social media sites, but traditional sites are also needed because for majority especially older generations this is still primary source of information. I believe if UND athletic department would get out statewide, regionally, and nationwide with alumni or former North Dakota residents there are sources for funding UND, but it takes building relationships and listening and informing people to get them invest in UND. Athletic department needs to step up and this comes from the top to set philosophy and goals to achieve improvement in the program. I like your comments on Bubba and i am in the opinion that majority of the coaches we have here been working their buts off if given more support would we winning conference championships. This is not going to be easy fix but people like UND Fan who do have ear of people in charge need to get UND President and Athletic Director they need to step up their efforts if they want UND to become truly great Universities across the United States. 

[nodak651]

It truly feels like the champions club has zero employees.

I bitch about things because it appears that some of the decision makers (for fundraising/marketing) either don't try or are incompetent.  If that offends anyone, where are the results?  Seems like the fundraising strategy hasn't changed or improved at all in the last 15 years... Just coasting off mandatory CC fees from high season ticket demand.

So many missed opportunities when it comes to marketing and fundraising. 

[Mama Sue]

I do agree about marketing and fundraising…sitting in the seat of the Fargodome…yup. We have some work to do. Not sure who should be doing it.

[iramurphy]

3 hours ago, Bison Dan said:

Didn't RT coach for the Bombers?

Toronto. Went with Murphy to Cal State Fullerton. Left there to join former S Dak coach Joe Salem with the Gophers. Then to Toronto as an assistant before taking the UND job. 

[Sioux>Bison]

UND Athletics is dying in ND. The green and gold is all you see in stores across the state. UND leadership, alumni and fans need to be worried that the school is turning into the second tier university in the state. The logo doesn’t help either….