Bison06 Posted January 9, 2022 Posted January 9, 2022 16 minutes ago, UND1983 said: UND actually outgained NDSU in the game sniffed the end zone the same amount of times. Just needed to not throw that INT. So had UND beaten NDSU and then NDSU had gone on to win the national championship, what would have been your conclusion about where the UND program is currently?
UND1983 Posted January 10, 2022 Posted January 10, 2022 3 hours ago, Bison06 said: So had UND beaten NDSU and then NDSU had gone on to win the national championship, what would have been your conclusion about where the UND program is currently? Same. Why?
Sioux>Bison Posted January 10, 2022 Posted January 10, 2022 I’m still wondering what NDSU was missing in 2020 and the first half of 2021. I have a theory………. was the Newman juice not available in 2020 because of Covid and did they not start getting the juice again until the second half of the season? NDSU was not the same team that played UND and that won the championship. Would this explain why Clemson sucks not too because they couldn’t get the Newman juice?
Bison06 Posted January 10, 2022 Posted January 10, 2022 52 minutes ago, UND1983 said: Same. Why? It just seems like so many here are using a close game with NDSU to justify that UND is close to being at that level. I just don’t see the outcome of a single game win or lose being an indicator of whether or not those two teams are on the same level. Anything can happen in a single game. Ultimately, every single team is no better or worse than their actual record. Just trying to understand that thought process and if you also felt that way.(UND playing NDSU close this year as an indicator that UND is ready to be a contender)
SiouxFan100 Posted January 10, 2022 Posted January 10, 2022 UND is consistently inconsistent. A lot of good players but not enough elite players. Still doesn’t have the needed depth. Has improved in most areas though over the last few years. Until you are a champion you are not. 1
UND1983 Posted January 10, 2022 Posted January 10, 2022 31 minutes ago, Bison06 said: It just seems like so many here are using a close game with NDSU to justify that UND is close to being at that level. I just don’t see the outcome of a single game win or lose being an indicator of whether or not those two teams are on the same level. Anything can happen in a single game. Ultimately, every single team is no better or worse than their actual record. Just trying to understand that thought process and if you also felt that way.(UND playing NDSU close this year as an indicator that UND is ready to be a contender) Not what I wrote at all or even inferred. There were posts before that also.
CMSioux Posted January 10, 2022 Posted January 10, 2022 8 hours ago, Bison06 said: It just seems like so many here are using a close game with NDSU to justify that UND is close to being at that level. I just don’t see the outcome of a single game win or lose being an indicator of whether or not those two teams are on the same level. Anything can happen in a single game. Ultimately, every single team is no better or worse than their actual record. Just trying to understand that thought process and if you also felt that way.(UND playing NDSU close this year as an indicator that UND is ready to be a contender) Actually any team so no better than their last game. Would you allow some to think that getting beat by 6 is better than getting beat by 26 and that shows some level of improvement in a program?
Midwestern Hawk Posted January 10, 2022 Posted January 10, 2022 13 hours ago, Bison06 said: So had UND beaten NDSU and then NDSU had gone on to win the national championship, what would have been your conclusion about where the UND program is currently? Of course the UND program would not be in the same spot. If UND finishes that game in Grand Forks and wins the the national championship, the UND football program is in a much different and better place. It didn't happen, and it didn't happen for the reasons UND program is where it is.
Bison06 Posted January 10, 2022 Posted January 10, 2022 50 minutes ago, CMSioux said: Actually any team so no better than their last game. Would you allow some to think that getting beat by 6 is better than getting beat by 26 and that shows some level of improvement in a program? I don’t think this is accurate. A team can be better than their last performance or worse than their last performance. Teams are different year to year and depending on timing during a season or simply variables from day to day with a team, you can tell almost nothing about a team based on the outcome of a single game. A team is the sum of its season, nothing more, nothing less.
Gothmog Posted January 10, 2022 Posted January 10, 2022 4 hours ago, Bison06 said: I don’t think this is accurate. A team can be better than their last performance or worse than their last performance. Teams are different year to year and depending on timing during a season or simply variables from day to day with a team, you can tell almost nothing about a team based on the outcome of a single game. A team is the sum of its season, nothing more, nothing less. If the outcome of a single game is meaningless, why do we bother with a playoff system? Wouldn't a mythical poll-based championship make more sense?
Bison06 Posted January 10, 2022 Posted January 10, 2022 2 hours ago, Gothmog said: If the outcome of a single game is meaningless, why do we bother with a playoff system? Wouldn't a mythical poll-based championship make more sense? I never said the outcome was meaningless, I said you can tell almost nothing about a team from the outcome of a single game. Additionally, the context of my comment revolved around regular season games, obviously playoff games are different as they are elimination games. 1
Gothmog Posted January 11, 2022 Posted January 11, 2022 On 1/10/2022 at 2:36 PM, Bison06 said: I never said the outcome was meaningless, I said you can tell almost nothing about a team from the outcome of a single game. Additionally, the context of my comment revolved around regular season games, obviously playoff games are different as they are elimination games. Fair enough, regular season games are not different than playoff games. But to say that that you can tell almost nothing about a team from a single game (regular season or playoffs) is kinda silly don't you think?
SIOUXFAN97 Posted January 11, 2022 Posted January 11, 2022 On 1/9/2022 at 2:16 PM, Hammerhead said: Which conference is going to invite NDSU? using this same logic....."which conference is going to invite Mount Union?" stupid
Bison06 Posted January 11, 2022 Posted January 11, 2022 1 hour ago, Gothmog said: Fair enough, regular season games are not different than playoff games. But to say that that you can tell almost nothing about a team from a single game (regular season or playoffs) is kinda silly don't you think? read the context of my statement, I think it’ll make more sense what I’m trying to say here. An extreme example to illustrate the point I am poorly attempting to convey. If one team has a single win over a team that goes on to finish the season 13-1 and wins a national championship, which team is better that year?
Siouxperfan7 Posted January 11, 2022 Posted January 11, 2022 27 minutes ago, Bison06 said: read the context of my statement, I think it’ll make more sense what I’m trying to say here. An extreme example to illustrate the point I am poorly attempting to convey. If one team has a single win over a team that goes on to finish the season 13-1 and wins a national championship, which team is better that year? Jacks clearly the better team. I mean, their trophy is much heavier. 2
SIOUXFAN97 Posted January 12, 2022 Posted January 12, 2022 i think izzo has dementia... And again, if the playoff would expand to 12 teams, this would have been a year when NDSU would have been in the mix for a playoff spot. To play Georgia. Or Alabama. Or Michigan. Or keep playing Western Illinois, whatever.
Sioux>Bison Posted January 12, 2022 Posted January 12, 2022 Just move to FBS already and put your money where your mouth is. It gets tiring watching a varsity team beat up on a bunch of JV teams and their fans think they are gods gift to football 1
Sioux>Bison Posted January 12, 2022 Posted January 12, 2022 2 hours ago, SIOUXFAN97 said: i think izzo has dementia... And again, if the playoff would expand to 12 teams, this would have been a year when NDSU would have been in the mix for a playoff spot. To play Georgia. Or Alabama. Or Michigan. Or keep playing Western Illinois, whatever. Dom thinks they will be the next Cincinnati but they are not going to get there playing in the CUSA or MAC. Cinci would not have made the 12 team playoff if they didn’t have the rankedvNotre Dame win. 3
Bison06 Posted January 12, 2022 Posted January 12, 2022 10 hours ago, Sioux>Bison said: Dom thinks they will be the next Cincinnati but they are not going to get there playing in the CUSA or MAC. Cinci would not have made the 12 team playoff if they didn’t have the rankedvNotre Dame win. A 12 team playoff would likely come with autobids. Would an autobid be set aside, whether explicitly or implicitly, for an undefeated G5 team? I think maybe.
Sioux>Bison Posted January 12, 2022 Posted January 12, 2022 8 minutes ago, Bison06 said: A 12 team playoff would likely come with autobids. Would an autobid be set aside, whether explicitly or implicitly, for an undefeated G5 team? I think maybe. No way the P5 allows a 12 team playoff with auto bids for each G5 conference. The G5 has not earned autobids to a 12 team playoff let alone some of the P5 conferences….
Kab Posted January 12, 2022 Posted January 12, 2022 I hope they go but take all other sports with cincy beat Notre dame doubt notre dame will schedule ndswho
Bison06 Posted January 12, 2022 Posted January 12, 2022 14 minutes ago, Sioux>Bison said: No way the P5 allows a 12 team playoff with auto bids for each G5 conference. The G5 has not earned autobids to a 12 team playoff let alone some of the P5 conferences…. Not autobids for each G5 conference, just one that is set aside for a USF/Cincinnati situation where a G5 team is undefeated and should get a shot in the tourney. It may not matter though, depending on how they choose the entries into a 12 team tournament. If you’re undefeated, even most G5 teams would be ranked in the top 12. If they ever moved to a 12 team tournament, I would feel much better about an FBS move for NDSU. It might take them 10 years to get there, but with an FBS budget, FBS scholarships and everything they goes with that, I could see NDSU finding it’s way to a tournament berth on exceptional years.
geaux_sioux Posted January 12, 2022 Posted January 12, 2022 1 hour ago, Bison06 said: Not autobids for each G5 conference, just one that is set aside for a USF/Cincinnati situation where a G5 team is undefeated and should get a shot in the tourney. It may not matter though, depending on how they choose the entries into a 12 team tournament. If you’re undefeated, even most G5 teams would be ranked in the top 12. If they ever moved to a 12 team tournament, I would feel much better about an FBS move for NDSU. It might take them 10 years to get there, but with an FBS budget, FBS scholarships and everything they goes with that, I could see NDSU finding it’s way to a tournament berth on exceptional years. A 12 team FBS tournament would be a joke. How many teams per year have a legit shot? Maximum 3-5 I would say. Rarely more than 3.
SiouxHawkGuy Posted January 12, 2022 Posted January 12, 2022 15 hours ago, SIOUXFAN97 said: i think izzo has dementia... And again, if the playoff would expand to 12 teams, this would have been a year when NDSU would have been in the mix for a playoff spot. To play Georgia. Or Alabama. Or Michigan. Or keep playing Western Illinois, whatever. 1
Bison06 Posted January 12, 2022 Posted January 12, 2022 1 hour ago, geaux_sioux said: A 12 team FBS tournament would be a joke. How many teams per year have a legit shot? Maximum 3-5 I would say. Rarely more than 3. I’ve never been behind the idea that the only purpose of a tournament is to declare a champion. I find just as much interest in matchups along the way. Take March Madness as an example. Of course, crowning a champion is ultimately the purpose, but look at the teams that claim multiple sweet 16 finishes, Elite 8 finishes, Final Four appearances. The romanticism that comes from a small school lining up against a big school, regardless of outcome. I think college football has always missed this point. They’ve only ever cared about one thing, who’s the best. They miss half the equation with this line of thinking IMO.
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