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15 minutes ago, wxman91 said:

You can build a case against someone and still determine that a conviction is unlikely for any kinds of reasons.  It is Trump who claimed that he was exonerated despite the fact that Mueller explicitly states that it didn’t.  By the way, here is the federal court filing about Barr’s spin on the Mueller report:  show_public_doc?2019cv0810-111

Thank you for at least challenging a point I made.  I would state that in my original lengthy post that criticized Trump I made no mention of the efforts by Trump’s team to gain intel from Russia.  My point was that it has been proven that Russian operatives have used various media to influence the US election, and Trump has done little to nothing to stop them.

Oh, by the way, telling someone to watch FoxNews instead of CNN is the epitome of the pot calling the kettle black.  FoxNews is not a source of unbiased information in the least.  I don’t watch either (or MSNBC).

So when this happened in 2016, who was at fault then?

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1 minute ago, SiouxBoys said:

So when this happened in 2016, who was at fault then?

 

25 minutes ago, wxman91 said:

You can build a case against someone and still determine that a conviction is unlikely for any kinds of reasons.  It is Trump who claimed that he was exonerated despite the fact that Mueller explicitly states that it didn’t.  By the way, here is the federal court filing about Barr’s spin on the Mueller report:  show_public_doc?2019cv0810-111

Thank you for at least challenging a point I made.  I would state that in my original lengthy post that criticized Trump I made no mention of the efforts by Trump’s team to gain intel from Russia.  My point was that it has been proven that Russian operatives have used various media to influence the US election, and Trump has done little to nothing to stop them.

Oh, by the way, telling someone to watch FoxNews instead of CNN is the epitome of the pot calling the kettle black.  FoxNews is not a source of unbiased information in the least.  I don’t watch either (or MSNBC).

Dan Bongino has been on CNN how many times in the last 3 years?

oh yeah...you've never heard of Dan Bongino?

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40 minutes ago, SiouxBoys said:

So when this happened in 2016, who was at fault then?

I wish our intelligence agencies had been all over it, but apparently they were late to the game. 
 

It is still going on now.  Who’s fault is that?

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34 minutes ago, SIOUXFAN97 said:

 

Dan Bongino has been on CNN how many times in the last 3 years?

oh yeah...you've never heard of Dan Bongino?

You are about a step away from calling what Sean Hannity does “news”.

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28 minutes ago, wxman91 said:

I wish our intelligence agencies had been all over it, but apparently they were late to the game. 
 

It is still going on now.  Who’s fault is that?

So, 2016 election interference happens, blame the intelligence agencies. 2020 election interference might happen, and we're already blaming Trump. Got it. Just trying to figure out the rules in your looney tunes world.

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1 hour ago, SiouxBoys said:

So, 2016 election interference happens, blame the intelligence agencies. 2020 election interference might happen, and we're already blaming Trump. Got it. Just trying to figure out the rules in your looney tunes world.

Yes, I wish Obama had done something about it.  And I wish Trump would do something about it.  Would you not agree that Trump has had much more information available to him?

 

1 hour ago, SIOUXFAN97 said:

you didn't answer my question.

Yes, he is a FoxNews contributor and sometimes fills in for the talking heads there.  I've never watched a full show of his, but I've run into enough of his commentary via Twitter and elsewhere to form an opinion of him.  I'm a bit confused about the CNN dig, though.  How often do FoxNews contributors go on other stations?  I don't even watch CNN.

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2 hours ago, wxman91 said:

So, you might say that he is a snowflake?

 

Trump is the quintessential snowflake.  He's the right-wing embodiment of everything he hates on the left.  He's constantly playing the victim card and he's swamped in political correctness (right-wing). 

Worst of all, he can dish it out with the best of them...but he can't take it.  His skin is paper thin.   When you feel the need to prove to your followers you can drink a glass of water properly, yea, you've some serious insecurity issues.      

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3 hours ago, UNDlaw80 said:

 

Trump is the quintessential snowflake.  He's the right-wing embodiment of everything he hates on the left.  He's constantly playing the victim card and he's swamped in political correctness (right-wing). 

Worst of all, he can dish it out with the best of them...but he can't take it.  His skin is paper thin.   When you feel the need to prove to your followers you can drink a glass of water properly, yea, you've some serious insecurity issues.      

Lol, keep telling yourself that.  He keeps doing what he wants when he wants and the left just can't stop crying.  He's not always right but the inability of his opponents to be the bigger person is laughable.....and it's precisely what's gonna get him re-elected. 

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1 hour ago, TheFlop said:

Lol, keep telling yourself that.  He keeps doing what he wants when he wants and the left just can't stop crying.  He's not always right but the inability of his opponents to be the bigger person is laughable.....and it's precisely what's gonna get him re-elected. 

 

What planet are you on?   Trump's inability to do anything is gonna get him slaughtered at the polls.  He’s so incompetent he can’t stop putting his foot in his mouth. The Dems are loving it, they don’t have to do anything other than stash decrepit Biden away and let Trump self-destruct.   Buy, scratch, win!

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37 minutes ago, UNDlaw80 said:

 

What planet are you on?   Trump's inability to do anything is gonna get him slaughtered at the polls.  He’s so incompetent he can’t stop putting his foot in his mouth. The Dems are loving it, they don’t have to do anything other than stash decrepit Biden away and let Trump self-destruct.   Buy, scratch, win!

Ah yes....the polls.  Wait until November.  The silent majority is waiting in the wings again, just like 2016.

Once again, the Dems just needed to throw someone normal up and they would win with ease....and they failed. 

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On 7/3/2020 at 12:12 PM, wxman91 said:

You’ve said a lot of words, but what is your plan?  Go back to pre-ACA days?  You want to subsidize rural hospitals more?  Why?  
 

The fundamental question that came up while reading your posts was this - do you think access to healthcare should be related to wealth?

The core tenets of the ACA were capping payer profit on fully insured products, guaranteeing coverage with pre-existing conditions, setting minimum benefit requirements, establishing a public marketplace, and mandating coverage.  Esoterically, they facilitated these things with actuarial requirements which I won’t get into.  You can argue the cost/benefit of each one and it’s importance by region. For example, Minnesota already had guaranteed coverage via a high-risk pool.  Funded by a premium tax.  Coverage mandate and minimum benefits impacted consumer choice and premium pricing (More benefits, more expensive coverage).    MLR- well 2/3 of the market is self-insured or Medicare.
 

I don’t want to subsidize rural hospitals more, I just don’t want them to shut down. They are employment and economic drivers as well as their role in providing care.  I don’t want to wait in line for months or drive 400 miles for a knee scope.

Do you know what drives health related bankruptcies in this country? Hint: it isn’t the medical bills.  It’s all the other bills that pile up when a person is hospitalized and can’t work.  The indigent have care and coverage via Medicaid- they have for decades.  The elderly have it from Medicare.  Commercial plans have maximum out of pocket amounts.  If you aren’t breaking the individual mandate, then who doesn’t have coverage?

The debate here has never been about healthcare, it’s about who pays for it.
 

the system isn’t perfect, but it’s far better than politicos give it credit for.  If you get really sick is there another country you’d rather receive care in? I wouldn’t.

The margins in healthcare and health insurance are tiny.  The industry employs tons of people all over the income spectrum- high school educated single moms working the call centers all the way to sub-specialist surgical MDs.

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