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2 hours ago, UNDlaw80 said:

 

It's my opinion that true racial justice won't come from any politician (left or right).  It's too ingrained.

However change WILL occur when America's demographics shift.   Like it or not, it's gonna happen.  A lot in white America are scared $hitless of this eventuality because the notion of what 'traditional cultural America' is will be flipped upside down.  White privilege will cease to exist.     

 

 

...but until that time, in my opinion, politicians have the duty to pave the way for justice, or at least not make the situation worse.  This is certainly not occurring at the highest level right now.    

-100k coronavirus dead; 1 in 4 Americans unemployed; the economy in the toilet; race riots in the streets; cities on fire.......and Trump hiding in a bunker after-which he does a photo op with a bible in the air.  

Is America Great Again yet?  Is this seriously the America you guys want? 

Or is everything fine and dandy as long as the 'slowflakes' are owned.   

I don’t agree that any race is scared.  Just cause you suggest it doesn’t make it true.  I think most would welcome all the issues facing urban areas to disappear when the demographics flip like you suggest.  

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1 hour ago, dynato said:

I would fully expect riots if the city decided to wait for a few days and not immediately apprehend the murderer, especially if his death was live streamed to the world for all to see. 

The Floyd situation isn’t anywhere near as black and white (pardon the pun) as the Grand Forks shooting. 
Going by the letter of the law, proving beyond a reasonable doubt the charge of murder by the cop is going to be difficult to prove.  At which point the riot to end all riots will probably commence. 

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1 minute ago, homer said:

I don’t agree that any race is scared.  Just cause you suggest it doesn’t make it true.  I think most would welcome all the issues facing urban areas to disappear when the demographics flip like you suggest.  

This.

This is the problem, it wasn't taught by parents to kids, it wasn't taught in school. 

In fact the opposite was, their special little opinions matter, no matter the lack of validity, this attitude also makes them vulnerable to others insane incorrect suggestions.

 

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Justice takes time. And patience. And fortitude. And belief.

Sadly we live in a world of immediate gratification, where violence is confused with strength, and moral ambiguity is lauded. 

What the Minneapolis cop did was wrong. 

Harming others by mayhem is wrong.

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3 minutes ago, Frozen4sioux said:

This.

This is the problem, it wasn't taught by parents to kids, it wasn't taught in school. 

In fact the opposite was, their special little opinions matter, no matter the lack of validity, this attitude also makes them vulnerable to others insane incorrect suggestions.

 

Holy crap and not 20 seconds after I post this, the idiocracy is demonstrated by a tweet...... Point. Validated

"Dozens of public health and disease experts have signed an open letter in support of the nationwide anti-racism protests.

"White supremacy is a lethal public health issue that predates and contributes to COVID-19," they wrote.
https://t.co/EewPNgDSu3 "

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Some Governors saying it's ok to protest for things they like during coronavirus but not ok to gather for things they dont like like church.

Who knew it was ok to kill grandma in some instances.

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Media is mad they can no longer blame any "future spikes" on people eating indoors.

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1 hour ago, dynato said:

Define complexity. Both individuals were murdered in broad daylight. In one of these murders, justice was served immediately and the community could move on to recovering. The other murder was live streamed and resulted in widespread riots because the murderers were protected instead of being apprehended and held accountable in urgent fashion. 

Reminder: I am not the one trying to stretch the situation, draw parallels, and use an officers death to favor my narrative.

It took them 1.5 days to charge the shooter in GF.  It took 4 days to charge the police officer, who is obviously extended a greater benefit of the doubt due to his position and the unknowns of what led up to it.  

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10 hours ago, 802Sioux said:

In the case of policing issues. If civil forfeiture continues the money taken goes to schools and drug rehab not police hardware. If a person is fired from a department for cause there is a board similar to that for nurses where they are forced to register so they can’t be rehired. All civilian complaints must be considered when reviewing any current case so patterns can emerge. Co workers viewing the violence should be considered as participating in the same way driving the get away car for a killer makes you guilty. Brutality settlements should be made from police union and retirement accounts. Retaliating for reporting any abuse should be a felony with real time behind it. The limits on their immunity should be severely curtailed

Good luck getting that past the police unions! Democrats are the ones who are protecting the unions.......

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57 minutes ago, Siouxphan27 said:

The Floyd situation isn’t anywhere near as black and white (pardon the pun) as the Grand Forks shooting. 
Going by the letter of the law, proving beyond a reasonable doubt the charge of murder by the cop is going to be difficult to prove.  At which point the riot to end all riots will probably commence. 

If you know the law, you know there are multiple levels of murder in MN: first, second, and third degrees. There are also several levels of manslaughter, which rely less on intent and more on if the death happened under your control. Third degree murder is the killing of an individual, without premeditation, without intent to kill, while acting without regard for human life. This is the one that will most likely be pursued.

Floyd was clearly killed by an individual. The cop clearly acted without regard for human life. Floyd was killed without premeditation. So first degree murder is thrown out. Clear intent to kill will decide whether second or third degree is pursued, which is incredibly difficult to prove beyond reasonable doubt as you said. There is video evidence that shows bystanders and the victim warning the officer of his questionable actions leading to his own death. The cop made the conscious decision to ignore warning, continuing his actions, which in the eyes of the law can be seen as a change from negligence to willful intent to kill. Ultimately it is up to the prosecuting party to confidently prove their case. Final verdict will likely depend on how good the guys lawyer is and if he enters a plea deal or not.

33 minutes ago, UND1983 said:

It took them 1.5 days to charge the shooter in GF.  It took 4 days to charge the police officer, who is obviously extended a greater benefit of the doubt due to his position and the unknowns of what led up to it.  

Saying it took only 4 days undermines the massive effort needed to put pressure on an unjust system in order for equal action to be taken against the officer. It took historic levels of widespread protests across nearly every state. Protests that extended into rioting and looting as a result of something so simple as holding four people who were bad at their job accountable for their actions. Despite being aware of being recorded, the officers lied on official reports. Revealing this systematic lie to the world was the catalyst for what we are now experiencing. 

If the cops were treated as normal citizens, they would have been arrested and charged promptly for causing a mans death. They would not be given several days or the benefit of the doubt considering they lied about the event that took place, with quick video and witness evidence to prove it. Cops are typically held to the same, if not stricter standards than every day citizens due to their training and position of power. This should be no different. If the authoritative, life ending power of the police wasn't so present and feared in their community, bystanders could have been able to prevent the cop from killing a fellow citizen. 

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13 hours ago, dlsiouxfan said:

You see Oxbow is attacking for you for posting on this website since you're a lazy, no good Cheeto eating liberal.  Nevermind that he and a few of his camp followers (MafiaMan) are seemingly on here 24/7.  They are true keyboard warriors fighting the good fight against evil liberals while also holding down highly important positions that afford them the luxury of posting hundreds of posts on a website daily.

Funny you should mention that as I lost my job as the result of the pandemic.  Yes, when I’m not waiting for hours on hold with the DWD and frantically trying to find ANYONE hiring right now, all while teaching my kids at home, I do have some spare time on my hands to check in here now and then.

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3 hours ago, The Sicatoka said:

My fear is they overcharge the cop and he is acquitted. They can prove murder three easily. 

Murder 3:  "....causes the death of another by perpetrating an act eminently dangerous to others and evincing a depraved mind,...."

these two requirements in the statute are what i feel may be hard to convince a jury beyond a reasonable doubt.  Even though it looks egregious to anyone seeing this video, the defense will argue the act of knee on neck is not eminently dangerous; in fact, it is an endorsed practice by police departments and has been used over 200 times by the minneapolis police department.  

second part- displaying a depraved mind- he has no look of aggression, anger, etc.  he's just staring around aimlessly.  Indifference correlates to depravity.  But as a veteran cop, he's seen and heard it all.  His fellow cop is heard making a wisecrack about "don't do drugs."  They all thought Floyd was on drugs and thus ignored his pleas, and were not surprised he may have passed out.   Is the jury going to be convinced beyond a reasonable doubt it was an act of depravity?  Or was it a veteran cop making the horrible mistake of not reacting to the situation because he had mistaken Floyd's actions as a result of drug use.  

Pre-existing heart issues, preliminary reports indicating possible meth and fentanyl in his system.  Did he die from the kneeling, or was he already suffering from a heart attack etc. and the cop's negligence just sped things along?

They should charge manslaughter instead of risking the overcharge and acquittal.  

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9 hours ago, MafiaMan said:

Funny you should mention that as I lost my job as the result of the pandemic.  Yes, when I’m not waiting for hours on hold with the DWD and frantically trying to find ANYONE hiring right now, all while teaching my kids at home, I do have some spare time on my hands to check in here now and then.

It's just nice to have dlsiouxfan checking on occasion to provide us with his Don Lemon-esque insight into this country's ills. Who knew dlsiouxfan would have the time to frequent here amid his shopping for crowbars, bricks and cans of spray paint plus having to count all the graves of our fallen war heros throughout the country.

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With all that's currently going on when do we get to the point where very few want to continue or pursue a career in law enforcement?  

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Grant Napear, the announcer for the NBA Sacramento Kings since 1988, was placed on adminstrative leave before being let go for a tweet that said "All live matter......every single one". Didn't realize "All lives matters" is now considered "racist" by BLM and the black community. This is where we currently are in this country. Pathetic.

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16 minutes ago, Oxbow6 said:

Grant Napear, the announcer for the NBA Sacramento Kings since 1988, was placed on adminstrative leave then before being let go for a tweet that said "All live matter......every single one". Didn't realize "All lives matters" is now considered "racist" by the BLM and black community. This is where we currently are in this country. Pathetic.

If you are a Christian, and can't hear #BlackLivesMatter without feeling the need to respond with a criticism that "All Lives Matter," then crack open your Bible and hit up Luke 15.

Don't have it handy? Let me summarize.

There are 100 sheep, but one goes missing. Jesus leaves the 99 and goes after the one.

The 99: "But... what about us? Don't we matter?"

Of course the 99 still matter, but they're not the ones in danger.

The one is.

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8 minutes ago, dynato said:

If you are a Christian...then crack open your Bible and hit up Luke 15.

There are 100 sheep, but one goes missing. Jesus leaves the 99 and goes after the one.

The 99: "But... what about us? Don't we matter?"

Of course the 99 still matter, but they're not the ones in danger.

The one is.

The irony of quoting Bible passages during a time when most people in America cannot currently congregate at their usual place of worship...

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9 minutes ago, dynato said:

If you are a Christian, and can't hear #BlackLivesMatter without feeling the need to respond with a criticism that "All Lives Matter," then crack open your Bible and hit up Luke 15.

Don't have it handy? Let me summarize.

There are 100 sheep, but one goes missing. Jesus leaves the 99 and goes after the one.

The 99: "But... what about us? Don't we matter?"

Of course the 99 still matter, but they're not the ones in danger.

The one is.

Did David Dorn's life matter? What about Patrick Underwood? How come there is no Black Lives Matter outcry for their lives?

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10 minutes ago, dynato said:

If you are a Christian, and can't hear #BlackLivesMatter without feeling the need to respond with a criticism that "All Lives Matter," then crack open your Bible and hit up Luke 15.

Don't have it handy? Let me summarize.

There are 100 sheep, but one goes missing. Jesus leaves the 99 and goes after the one.

The 99: "But... what about us? Don't we matter?"

Of course the 99 still matter, but they're not the ones in danger.

The one is.

So what you are saying is all 100 lives matter,  so.... "All lives matter".

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1 hour ago, dynato said:

If you are a Christian, and can't hear #BlackLivesMatter without feeling the need to respond with a criticism that "All Lives Matter," then crack open your Bible and hit up Luke 15.

Don't have it handy? Let me summarize.

There are 100 sheep, but one goes missing. Jesus leaves the 99 and goes after the one.

The 99: "But... what about us? Don't we matter?"

Of course the 99 still matter, but they're not the ones in danger.

The one is.

To be accurate the title of the movement should be

Black Lives Matter If The Life Was Taken By A White Person So As To Be Used To Promote Racism, Regardless Of Intent Of Perpetrator, Or Statistical Proof. (Otherwise, We Don’t Care About Other Black Lives Lost)

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1 hour ago, dynato said:

If you are a Christian, and can't hear #BlackLivesMatter without feeling the need to respond with a criticism that "All Lives Matter," then crack open your Bible and hit up Luke 15.

Don't have it handy? Let me summarize.

There are 100 sheep, but one goes missing. Jesus leaves the 99 and goes after the one.

The 99: "But... what about us? Don't we matter?"

Of course the 99 still matter, but they're not the ones in danger.

The one is.

More white people does from cops every year so it is not just a black problem. Are you going to try to tell me that the white people were justified to be killed by the black people all were not? I get there are some bad confrontations with cops that go back decades, but simple respect for police will 99% of the time result in no conflict. When you go into a confrontation with a cop and act like an ass what do you think is going to happen? What about brown people? Do their lives not matter? Are they not seeing the same discrimination because you know they are? To classify all cops as racist is like classifying all the protesters as terrorists. 

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2 hours ago, Oxbow6 said:

With all that's currently going on when do we get to the point where very few want to continue or pursue a career in law enforcement?  

I wouldn’t risk my life and my family’s livelihood because my future would be in the hands of a bunch of criminals that could ruin my life because of THEIR bad choices. All of these police conflicts start the same way, a crime is committed....... No Thanks!

if they try to change the way police react to dangerous situations by neutering their options we are just going to see more dead cops. I hear the cops that served the eviction notice in Grand Forks did not shoot the suspect as soon as he brandished his weapon. They delayed lethal force to give him the opportunity to surrender his weapon. He didn’t and eventually shot three people , killing two. Do you think this current events had something to do with the police’s reactions? I think so and that guy deserved to be filled with lead as soon as he pulled the weapon. Only one person deserved to die that day.......

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