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4 minutes ago, CarpeRemote said:

Expressing the extreme and calling it the norm is the poorest form of debate


Dr. Scott Gottlieb

Former FDA Commissioner. 

Member of White House Bio-defense Interagency Group. 

Grad NYU, Mount Sinai

Fellow of American Enterprise Institute

BOD Pfizer

“Surgical masks” (non N95) “are very helpful in preventing the spread through droplets”. 
               Twitter 

Also Gottlieb, ‘Masks help, they reduce the incremental load of transmission from droplets, the smaller load you get infected with the better the outcome’    
          CNBC interview 
 

If I’m a couple feet away from a Covid infected person at Lowe’s, Krogers, or the airport shuttle, and he sneezes droplets of spit, I’d prefer we are both wearing masks.  
          Common sense 

People should wear even cloth masks
       CDC and the task force

It's great for people in ND but the hospital I just walked out of had over 26 staff get infected, mostly before the ‘everyone wears mask policy’. The town has over 3,000 positives, about 90 deaths, and 428 in the ICU’s. If this research hospital wasn’t using their own produced antibody plasma things would be worse. 

The most hypocritical thing here is the guy leading the state’s social media rant for ‘social distancing and masks are an infringement on my liberty’, was in a local ICU when he died. (Fox news and local media) 
 

I acutely understand that the curve has been flattened, ICU’s for the most part are open, and the economy needs to open quickly.

But still not everyone has antibody plasma, a well trained staff, and Remdesivir. Two counties over they had 28 ICU admissions and lost 14 patients. So is it really that big a deal to wear a mask right now? 

 

I couldn't agree more.  And that is exactly what they are doing with Coronavirus when it pertains to North Dakota.  

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18 hours ago, Gma loves hockey said:

Simple philosophy about whether to wear a mask:

If you don't give a damn about anyone else, don't wear one.

If you care about other people, wear one.

Simple philosophy about Fighting Sioux hockey:

If you don’t give a damn about anyone else, don’t go to a game ever again.

If you care about other people, give me your season tickets.

I’ll even wear a mask if it helps you sleep at night.

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12 minutes ago, TheFlop said:

This isn't directed at you but it just reminded me of something I've seen a ton of on social media that makes me chuckle:
People rail on the experts (CDC/WHO/etc) and their models for being inaccurate but then in their next breath, turn around a cite something like this. Just further proves that people only believe experts when it is convenient for their confirmation bias.

The CDC/WHO models said millions "could" die if steps weren't taken. This study says that suicides "could" increase 32% in Michigan due to the handling of CoVid19. Both are possible outcomes given the data input into a model, which improve with time and more information available.

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11 minutes ago, CarpeRemote said:

Expressing the extreme and calling it the norm is the poorest form of debate


Dr. Scott Gottlieb

Former FDA Commissioner. 

Member of White House Bio-defense Interagency Group. 

Grad NYU, Mount Sinai

Fellow of American Enterprise Institute

BOD Pfizer

“Surgical masks” (non N95) “are very helpful in preventing the spread through droplets”. 
               Twitter 

Also Gottlieb, ‘Masks help, they reduce the incremental load of transmission from droplets, the smaller load you get infected with the better the outcome’    
          CNBC interview 
 

If I’m a couple feet away from a Covid infected person at Lowe’s, Krogers, or the airport shuttle, and he sneezes droplets of spit, I’d prefer we are both wearing masks.  
          Common sense 

People should wear even cloth masks
       CDC and the task force

It's great for people in ND but the hospital I just walked out of had over 26 staff get infected, mostly before the ‘everyone wears mask policy’. The town has over 3,000 positives, about 90 deaths, and 428 in the ICU’s. If this research hospital wasn’t using their own produced antibody plasma things would be worse. 

The most hypocritical thing here is the guy leading the state’s social media rant for ‘social distancing and masks are an infringement on my liberty’, was in a local ICU when he died. (Fox news and local media) 
 

I acutely understand that the curve has been flattened, ICU’s for the most part are open, and the economy needs to open quickly.

But still not everyone has antibody plasma, a well trained staff, and Remdesivir. Two counties over they had 28 ICU admissions and lost 14 patients. So is it really that big a deal to wear a mask right now? 

 

My point with my post was that if masks work and the prevent the spread, shouldn't businesses be allowed to open provided they require people to wear masks?  Places are already requiring them (Costco, Menards, etc).  Let these small businesses have the same opportunity to be open with safety precautions that these big box stores are awarded. 

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Yesterday a gentleman yelled at me on my way into our small town grocery store, “Ahh man, you don’t need to wear that mask!” Then he shouted the name of his preferred political candidate.

I kindly reminded him, “My wearing a mask is not politically motivated. My doctor wears one, his nurses wear them, and since one of my kids has asthma and his doctor “prescribed” we parents wear them when in public, we wear them when in public and close quarters with others.

Sure experts disagree all the time, and anyone can find the experts with their preferred opinion. BUT when the experts I trust to care for my family make a suggestion that they too are following,  I take heed.

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12 minutes ago, CarpeRemote said:

 If this research hospital wasn’t using their own produced antibody plasma things would be worse. 

Have you noticed success with this?  We're seeing 80% of patients respond well, but that's anecdotal.

  Trying to figure out how to blend the plasma with remdesivir once we get it.  Do both concurrently?  Do one then the other? Do plasma only if the patient doesn't qualify for remdesivir?

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2 hours ago, Vegas_Sioux said:

So Taco Bell has two positive cases and fired both of them for not working their shift?

Taco Bell needs to understand their COVID workers aren't the reason people who frequent get sick!

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31 minutes ago, Siouxperfan7 said:

Saw this online in a meme so I can't take credit for it:

If masks work, why do businesses need to be closed?

If they don't work, why are we forced to wear them?

I'll give you a minute.

It might be that people are man people refuse to wear masks.

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13 minutes ago, jdub27 said:

This isn't directed at you but it just reminded me of something I've seen a ton of on social media that makes me chuckle:
People rail on the experts (CDC/WHO/etc) and their models for being inaccurate but then in their next breath, turn around a cite something like this. Just further proves that people only believe experts when it is convenient for their confirmation bias.

The CDC/WHO models said millions "could" die if steps weren't taken. This study says that suicides "could" increase 32% in Michigan due to the handling of CoVid19. Both are possible outcomes given the data input into a model, which improve with time and more information available.

And once again, new policy was adopted and our country was turned upside down for the worse by the WHO's projection that "millions" could die.  Nothing is being done about suicide and abuse. 

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1 minute ago, Oxbow6 said:

Taco Bell needs to understand their COVID workers aren't the reason people who frequent get sick!

And uou know this because---?

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7 minutes ago, jdub27 said:

This isn't directed at you but it just reminded me of something I've seen a ton of on social media that makes me chuckle:
People rail on the experts (CDC/WHO/etc) and their models for being inaccurate but then in their next breath, turn around a cite something like this. Just further proves that people only believe experts when it is convenient for their confirmation bias.

The CDC/WHO models said millions "could" die if steps weren't taken. This study says that suicides "could" increase 32% in Michigan due to the handling of CoVid19. Both are possible outcomes given the data input into a model, which improve with time and more information available.

Agreed....my point is that the only models/predictions that have been used are those that support the argument of closing down the economy.  There has been literally next to no effort to look at the overall picture and take into account all positives and negatives which would benefit the US as opposed to the manufactured hysteria currently overtaking the country.  

Even the naysayers will acknowledge that Covid-19 deserves attention and a certain level of safeguards (mostly  for elderly and people in high density areas).  However the same can't be said for those that have gone all in on Covid-19.  With that crowd it is stay inside for the next year, all business should stop, and the government should just keep printing and handing out $2000 a month to everyone indefinitely.  There is no compromise with that segment.  

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8 minutes ago, Oxbow6 said:

Taco Bell needs to understand their COVID workers aren't the reason people who frequent get sick!

Luckily it was the Grand Forks Taco Bell.  Since they only push about 3-4 cars an hour through the drive thru contact tracing should go quickly.  

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1 minute ago, Oxbow6 said:

SMH.....

Please don't respond to anything here anymore. It's too exhausting for the rest of us to have to explain everything to you.

 

Little sensative? 

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9 minutes ago, Old Fella said:

And uou know this because---?

Try to keep up.

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2 minutes ago, Old Fella said:

Little sensative? 

Not at all but definitely agree with your comment from yesterday that no one ever suggested you were overly intelligent. Just stay in your lane from here on out.

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Just now, Oxbow6 said:

Not at all but definitely agree with your comment from yesterday that no one ever suggested you were overly intelligent. Just stay in your lane from here on out.

His Lane = wear a mask, stay home while doing it, or I will die.  

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1 minute ago, Oxbow6 said:

Not at all but definitely agree with your comment from yesterday that no one ever suggested you were overly intelligent. Just stay in your lane from here on out.

Thanks Again!

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Old Fella doing his best gfhockey impressions today...sheesh, I need an English teacher to help me decipher some of those posts.

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1 minute ago, UND1983 said:

His Lane = wear a mask, stay home while doing it, or I will die.  

Went to the same hardware store/today all employees were wearing masks.  Not to worry when you see that I will not be messaging until later tonight.  Every other day I drive to the country and spend 4-5 hours outside.

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3 minutes ago, MafiaMan said:

Old Fella doing his best gfhockey impressions today...sheesh, I need an English teacher to help me decipher some of those posts.

PM me if you have questions.

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10 minutes ago, Old Fella said:

Went to the same hardware store/today all employees were wearing masks.  Not to worry when you see that I will not be messaging until later tonight.  Every other day I drive to the country and spend 4-5 hours outside.

Moe's in Fargo last night for a pick up order had none of the employees wearing masks. I did find that interesting.

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Bank signs in 2019:

Please remove your hat and shades for our safety!

Bank signs in 2020:

Please cover yourself from head to toe and wear a mask for our safety!

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25 minutes ago, UND1983 said:

And once again, new policy was adopted and our country was turned upside down for the worse by the WHO's projection that "millions" could die.  Nothing is being done about suicide and abuse. 

Residual effects are being taken into account as new decisions continue to be made. But there are people who are using to studies like the say all restrictions should be dropped and life should be back to normal.

Again, my comment wasn't directed anyone specifically, just a personal anecdote I've noticed among vocal people among various forms of social media. "You're expert is an idiot because I don't believe him, but mine knows what he's talking about because it aligns with what I believe". More of a comment on the larger problems with the divides going on in today's world, when I would venture to guess the more silent majority falls somewhere in the middle.

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