2019 Non-UND FCS Thread

[MIBT]

8 hours ago, Sioux27 said:

LOL!!!!!!   This might be the post of the year.  Membership organization......is this pelosi behind the keyboard?

All the rules and policies come from the universities at their annual convention. Representation at that event is by schools (usually presidents or their proxy). These aren't executive policies made by the leadership at the NCAA office in Indianapolis. So the collective members decide what rules they want to play by. All the crazy recruiting rules? The same people complaining about those rules are collecting creating them to keep their competition honest. That doesn't mean everyone agrees with everything, but it's important to understand what the NCAA actually is.

[bang]

10 hours ago, MIBT said:

The NCAA does not have a lot of highly paid people. If you work at the NCAA you are generally making less money and working more hours (especially nights and weekends) than most people in similar types of positions in other organizations. When you say over charge are you referring to tickets to events? The only events that generate revenue for the NCAA is sport championships. That does not include the CFP championship as that is run outside the NCAA. Ticket prices for regular season games are revenue for individual schools. Just because you see coaches at the top programs in 3 or 4 sports getting big salaries doesn't mean a lot of people are getting paid a lot of money in NCAA, conferences or school athletic departments.

Maybe I got some bunk info, but what I’ve read was that Emmert made 4 mil in 2018 and 11 executives made in the upper 6 to low 7 figures. What I was referring to was membership fees. Again, I know I shouldn’t believe everything I read on the internet but read an article a while back about some ridiculous fee hikes. 
You sound like you might have better info than what I’ve read. 

[Nodak78]

Montana State looking to offering cost of attendence

https://www.bozemandailychronicle.com/sports/bobcats/montana-state-in-works-to-potentially-offer-cost-of-attendance/article_baa98c14-dbeb-582a-a8b5-77c782c9d20b.html

 

[JohnboyND7]

1 hour ago, bang said:

Maybe I got some bunk info, but what I’ve read was that Emmert made 4 mil in 2018 and 11 executives made in the upper 6 to low 7 figures. What I was referring to was membership fees. Again, I know I shouldn’t believe everything I read on the internet but read an article a while back about some ridiculous fee hikes. 
You sound like you might have better info than what I’ve read. 

President of a very large organization... I expect he is probably paid what they think he is worth.

Pretty thankless job, nobody likes the NCAA itself lmao

[Mama Sue]

57 minutes ago, Nodak78 said:

Montana State looking to offering cost of attendence

https://www.bozemandailychronicle.com/sports/bobcats/montana-state-in-works-to-potentially-offer-cost-of-attendance/article_baa98c14-dbeb-582a-a8b5-77c782c9d20b.html

 

WOW.... not sure how I feel about this.....do colleges do “cost of attendance” for non-athletes??

[Nodak78]

Just now, Mama Sue said:

WOW.... not sure how I feel about this.....do colleges do “cost of attendance” for non-athletes??

Yes UND and NDSU started a couple of years ago.  I can't remember about the SD schools

[geaux_sioux]

55 minutes ago, Mama Sue said:

WOW.... not sure how I feel about this.....do colleges do “cost of attendance” for non-athletes??

Why would they?

[Riverhawk]

54 minutes ago, Nodak78 said:

Yes UND and NDSU started a couple of years ago.  I can't remember about the SD schools

Are you certain that UND does it because I don't think they do.  Is it for everyone on the team or only certain players? 

[geaux_sioux]

9 minutes ago, Riverhawk said:

Are you certain that UND does it because I don't think they do.  Is it for everyone on the team or only certain players? 

https://www.inforum.com/sports/3830703-und-athletics-offer-full-cost-attendance-all-sports

[bison73]

1 hour ago, Mama Sue said:

WOW.... not sure how I feel about this.....do colleges do “cost of attendance” for non-athletes??

That makes no sense.

[UND1983]

1 minute ago, bison73 said:

That makes no sense.

Pretty simple....do regular students get cost of attendance?  

[Feff]

52 minutes ago, UND1983 said:

Pretty simple....do regular students get cost of attendance?  

Why would they? The question makes no sense. CoA is provided to athletes because they are limited on what they can do to earn any kind of income while in college unlike regular students.

[UND1983]

2 minutes ago, Feff said:

Why would they? The question makes no sense. CoA is provided to athletes because they are limited on what they can do to earn any kind of income while in college unlike regular students.

The question make sense - its a f'n straight forward question.  The answer might deem the question stupid but the question is very simple and one that might be asked by someone who doesn't understand college athletics in this day and age.

[zonadub]

3 hours ago, Mama Sue said:

WOW.... not sure how I feel about this.....do colleges do “cost of attendance” for non-athletes??

No. Academic scholarships do not get additional cost of attendance stipends.

[Mama Sue]

57 minutes ago, UND1983 said:

The question make sense - its a f'n straight forward question.  The answer might deem the question stupid but the question is very simple and one that might be asked by someone who doesn't understand college athletics in this day and age.

Thank you.... do you think a 4.0 student in a science program who is paying her/his own way, other than academic scholarships, would wonder why??? We are talking about public dollars or are these private/foundation dollars.

 

[geaux_sioux]

41 minutes ago, Mama Sue said:

Thank you.... do you think a 4.0 student in a science program who is paying her/his own way, other than academic scholarships, would wonder why??? We are talking about public dollars or are these private/foundation dollars.

 

No, because they should be smart enough to know that when they are in the lab doing their science thing there is nobody in the stands and there are no businesses using it as a platform to advertise. They also don’t provide any value to the school with their extracurriculars unlike athletes.

[UND1983]

31 minutes ago, SlowHand said:

Except for every consultant on the planet.

Billing by the hour or paid by the hour?

[Siouxphan27]

32 minutes ago, SlowHand said:

Except for every consultant on the planet.

Except the consultant isn't considered an employee.  Try again.  

[The Sicatoka]

1 hour ago, SlowHand said:

Except for every consultant on the planet.

Consultants bill by the hour. Subtle yet finite difference. 

[zonadub]

On 1/22/2020 at 3:58 PM, Siouxphan27 said:

First of all, people who are paid by the hour (as you were using hourly pay in your example), don't travel on business.  You were suggesting college athletes should be getting free meals and trips, and also counted those hours towards your minimum wage example.  I get what you were saying, but i felt you went a little too far with your examples.  

The last 2 jobs I have held, both healthcare related, have paid by the hour and have paid for me to go on business trips (including meeting time, travel time, airfare, hotel, meals, etc). Just sayin’

[Siouxperman8]

On 1/22/2020 at 4:09 PM, bison73 said:

You mean like when people who travel on business?  

But I never said or inferred that we should have been paid for those hours.  It was just a part of a laundry list showing where ones time is spent as an athlete.

I'm with you.  I don't think we should have been paid for the hours while traveling.  It is fair to point out that it did make it more difficult to study for the higher level physics, math and engineering classes I was taking.

[Bison06]

30 minutes ago, Siouxperman8 said:

I'm with you.  I don't think we should have been paid for the hours while traveling.  It is fair to point out that it did make it more difficult to study for the higher level physics, math and engineering classes I was taking.

Not sure if this anecdote necessarily bolsters either view point in this discussion, but maybe continues to show the sacrifices athletes are asked to make at times.

When NDSU was transitioning to Division I in the early 2000’s home games were nearly impossible to come by for many of our sports. NDSU’s volleyball team, many of whom I was close friends with played the front end of so many future home and homes that they’d miss weeks of class at a time. I remember many of them really struggling keeping up academically in the fall of 2004 because of these abnormally long road trips. They had to take tests and complete projects on other schools campuses in many instances. Transitioning to DI wasn’t a choice they made, but it significantly affected their lives negatively so the school could make the move. 
I’m sure UND athletes during your transition made similar sacrifices for the betterment of the school.

 

https://stats.gobison.com/custompages/vb/2004/TEAMSTAT.HTM

This is an absolutely BRUTAL schedule. Damn it is worse than I remembered it. Only three matches at home the entire season.

 

[iramurphy]

4 hours ago, geaux_sioux said:

No, because they should be smart enough to know that when they are in the lab doing their science thing there is nobody in the stands and there are no businesses using it as a platform to advertise. They also don’t provide any value to the school with their extracurriculars unlike athletes.

Depending on the work they are doing, especially upper level and grad students, they generate millions in grants and donations to the University. A good portion and in some cases most of the research is done by students under the direction of faculty. Not only does that generate grant dollars, it generates additional millions in donations for Academic programs. Think of all the kumquats you can buy with those dollars. 

[geaux_sioux]

1 hour ago, iramurphy said:

Depending on the work they are doing, especially upper level and grad students, they generate millions in grants and donations to the University. A good portion and in some cases most of the research is done by students under the direction of faculty. Not only does that generate grant dollars, it generates additional millions in donations for Academic programs. Think of all the kumquats you can buy with those dollars. 

And yet the banners show hockey football and basketball players because sports are one of the main marketing arms of many universities.

And if you really wanna talk kumquats, an athlete could generate dollars for the university with their sporting exploits and then turn around and also do this research you speak of at the same time because, after all, they are student-athletes.

[iramurphy]

3 minutes ago, geaux_sioux said:

And yet the banners show hockey football and basketball players because sports are one of the main marketing arms of many universities.

That is true. Studies done years ago when Georgetown was a basketball powerhouse showed how school enrollment increased and donations including those earmarked for academic programming improved.  My comments were to highlight the academic work of students and their importance to a University’s finances.