NDSUCKS Dump Thread

[geaux_sioux]

38 minutes ago, nd1sufan said:

Yes, you are correct. PED’ usage is rampant in the NDSU FB program as evidenced by the hundreds, uh dozens, uh one positive test in hundreds of samples in the past 8 years of playoff FB with 18 tests after every game. 

If you believe the kid, which everybody on this site wants to do, why doesn’t the family name the staff member? They are obviously being wronged and the kids possible pro career is over. This staff member took the kids career away, why protect the staff member? Maybe because it wasn’t a staff member?

To say positive tests are the only acceptable evidence of using banned substances is absolutely laughable. The olympics have proven that world class cheaters don’t get caught unless someone from within blows a whistle.

[The Sicatoka]

2 hours ago, shep said:

This discussion about crimes committed by players of their own volition is nowhere near the type of allegations being suggested against SU STAFF members. 

This is where I would have expected NDSU to push back. 

A player and his mother (a former NDSU WBB star and NDSU Athletics Hall of Famer) have claimed that the substances came from a "trusted staff member". That's quite the indictment and besmirching of NDSU's name. 

Yes, bad kids will get into program and do unwise things; however, the staff is held to a far higher standard. 

Either the Robbins' are off base (and nearly slanderous) or NDSU has some untrustworthy "trusted staff members".

I'd think NDSU would want that cleared up if they've done no wrong. 

[The Sicatoka]

2 hours ago, Milo said:

Possibly, with your concerns UND should cancel next years football game at NDSU?  From your point of view UND will be and has been at a disadvantage, which everyone knows requires you to cancel as you have in the past. 

Cancel? When has there been a 'cancel'? Date please. 

When NDSU left the NCC there was no longer a contractual obligation to play. There's been no signed contractual obligation to play since, save for the present deal where one game has been already played and the next is in a few months. Don't expect that to be cancelled short of a mutual cancellation due to an act-of-God.

[3Putt]

3 hours ago, The Sicatoka said:

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Either the Robbins' are off base (and nearly slanderous) or NDSU has some untrustworthy "trusted staff members".

...

Those are the only two options? You can't think of any other possibilities?

[UND1983]

2 minutes ago, 3Putt said:

Those are the only two options? You can't think of any other possibilities?

nope

[Mama Sue]

What are the other options?

[Siouxphan27]

Just now, Mama Sue said:

What are the other options?

3rd option:  All ndsu staff are untrustworthy and in on the illegal stimulant cheating scandal?

[The Sicatoka]

18 minutes ago, 3Putt said:

Those are the only two options? You can't think of any other possibilities?

Given what's in the media we have a "she said / he (Larson) said" dichotomy. Beyond that would be speculation with no basis. So, please don't say "Newman" with no basis; and please don't pass him off as a "consultant" and not a "staff member". 

As I've said, how about a look into this by a disinterested third party (the MVFC?) to figure out how this happened so all of us can learn and make sure we don't lose senior seasons of starting fullbacks. 

[3Putt]

26 minutes ago, The Sicatoka said:

Given what's in the media we have a "she said / he (Larson) said" dichotomy. Beyond that would be speculation with no basis. So, please don't say "Newman" with no basis; and please don't pass him off as a "consultant" and not a "staff member". 

As I've said, how about a look into this by a disinterested third party (the MVFC?) to figure out how this happened so all of us can learn and make sure we don't lose senior seasons of starting fullbacks. 

I didn’t ask you to speculate on what is the truth. I asked if there are any other possibilities besides slander and staff maleficence. It was a yes or no question. A few of the other board members have showed their critical thinking skills - do you want to take a turn?

[UND1983]

10 minutes ago, 3Putt said:

I didn’t ask you to speculate on what is the truth. I asked if there are any other possibilities besides slander and staff maleficence. It was a yes or no question. A few of the other board members have showed their critical thinking skills - do you want to take a turn?

Nope

[The Sicatoka]

Surely there are, but those are the two options publicly presented by media thus far.

As you say, I won't speculate on what is the truth, I'll stick with what's out there as statements, the options, in the media by the Robbins' and Larson. 

Otherwise, I'd be speculating on other options and by default speculating on truth. 

You see, that's critical thinking. 

[Mama Sue]

This clearly is not a good situation forcall involved.... trying to do what is right in the eyes of the public (and individuals that have been publicly hurt) is not easy..... honesty is the best policy. 

Sorry you feel the way you do but NDJuice U is under a magnifying glass.

[3Putt]

2 hours ago, The Sicatoka said:

Surely there are, but those are the two options publicly presented by media thus far.

As you say, I won't speculate on what is the truth, I'll stick with what's out there as statements, the options, in the media by the Robbins' and Larson. 

Otherwise, I'd be speculating on other options and by default speculating on truth. 

You see, that's critical thinking. 

Good to know that's what you call critical thinking. I would have thought you were trying to deflect.

[homer]

2 hours ago, 3Putt said:

I didn’t ask you to speculate on what is the truth. I asked if there are any other possibilities besides slander and staff maleficence. It was a yes or no question. A few of the other board members have showed their critical thinking skills - do you want to take a turn?

Perhaps the Fargo media could offer up the other possibilities.  The suspense is killing me.  

[bison73]

3 hours ago, The Sicatoka said:

Given what's in the media we have a "she said / he (Larson) said" dichotomy. Beyond that would be speculation with no basis. So, please don't say "Newman" with no basis; and please don't pass him off as a "consultant" and not a "staff member". 

As I've said, how about a look into this by a disinterested third party (the MVFC?) to figure out how this happened so all of us can learn and make sure we don't lose senior seasons of starting fullbacks. 

Follow the directions on the supplement label. 

[SiouxFan100]

So, lots of interest and comments on this thread. What have you all figured out?

sarcasm

[bison73]

1 hour ago, homer said:

Perhaps the Fargo media could offer up the other possibilities.  The suspense is killing me.  

Its really easy to figure out. BR was quoted as saying---It wasnt steroids or MJ. With that statement the positive test wasnt for any substances that are illegal. If it were illegal NDSU wouldnt have appealed the decision. Plus BR would have been dismissed from the team for violation of team rules. He was not dismissed.

 

[Sioux95]

My guess would be Adderall.  Far from caffeine, which is what every bison fan is trying to get us to believe.  Until we here more, these are all just guesses though. 

Nobody really believes it was caffeine do they?  Come on people.

[Old Fella]

27 minutes ago, bison73 said:

Its really easy to figure out. BR was quoted as saying---It wasnt steroids or MJ. With that statement the positive test wasnt for any substances that are illegal. If it were illegal NDSU wouldnt have appealed the decision. Plus BR would have been dismissed from the team for violation of team rules. He was not dismissed.

 

You of course are assuming NDSU would do 'the right thing'

 

[bison73]

21 minutes ago, Sioux95 said:

My guess would be Adderall.  Far from caffeine, which is what every bison fan is trying to get us to believe.  Until we here more, these are all just guesses though. 

Nobody really believes it was caffeine do they?  Come on people.

BRs mom is blaming a supplement that was widely used in the locker room. If you look at the supplement in question the caffeine per serving is 250 mg. Thats getting up there according to the UND caffeine experts who post here. If you take more than the recommended serving you will be in violation of NCAA rules. 

Thats the horse Im putting my saddle on.

 

ps You wont pass using 5 hour energy either.

[bison73]

20 minutes ago, Old Fella said:

You of course are assuming NDSU would do 'the right thing'

 

Think--Vandellen.  So yes they do the right thing.

[Cratter]

32 minutes ago, Sioux95 said:

Nobody really believes it was caffeine do they?

Only Bison fans. 

[JohnboyND7]

This thread is some solid counter-trolling.

To my fellow NDSU folks/grads getting worked up: The UND folks are playing you guys like fiddles.  

To the UND folks/grads:  Nice job. 

To the weirdos who think there is a real problem: You guys are idiots.

[jdub27]

1 hour ago, bison73 said:

Its really easy to figure out. BR was quoted as saying---It wasnt steroids or MJ. With that statement the positive test wasnt for any substances that are illegal. If it were illegal NDSU wouldnt have appealed the decision. Plus BR would have been dismissed from the team for violation of team rules. He was not dismissed.

He said it was a stimulant, not that it wasn't illegal. Ndsu was going to appeal it regardless, it's common practice, especially considering they are the ones being pointed at for being the provider of whatever caused the failed test. 

How many failed tests does it take to be dismissed from the team? Or does it depend on the substance? I'm also guessing that a "trusted staff member" providing the substance plays a role in that decision as well.

[BAT67]

One thing I have been told is that what was taken is legal to a point but some how he got twice as much as is legal by NCAA standards