Who would UND hire?

[UND-FB-FAN]

18 minutes ago, Sioux>Bison said:

The one thing you and the hockey only crowd have in common is you both LOVE to trash the current football team. That hurts the university and does nothing to help it but foster more negativity about the program.

See point #2.

We’re saying the same thing at this point. 

[Frozen4sioux]

2 hours ago, UND-FB-FAN said:

You realize Bubba once was a D2 coach, right? . 

You know UND football is D2 right?

It amazes me that you can't get that through your head.. 

Just cause the letters changed doesnt change the reality.

Say NDSu and UND go "FBS" one day.. the only way is the P5 have created a new real top division.

UND football will never compete in the top division of college football.

Period. Ever. and ... thats OK.

Call it Football Confrence Omega Series 1 AAA Elite if you want...

but then FCOS1AAE would just be D2 too.... get a grip.

Reset your expectations to reality.

33 minutes ago, UND-FB-FAN said:

 

2) The fact there even is a “hockey only crowd” is a detriment to UND athletics. You won’t be able to convince me or anyone successful in collegiate athletics elsewhere otherwise. 

2) YOU are the main reason there is a division in your mind. YOU are perpetrating this into perpetuity. 

YOU continually manifest your own frustrations about your misplaced perception into a false causation.

Get help.

[iramurphy]

A big factor in the so called “hockey only” crowd is that there are many UND hockey fans who are Bison fans for all other sports. I’m glad we have them. I don’t believe they prevent success for our other sports, they just aren’t going to support them. 
 

[siouxweet]

Seems like there is a crowd on here that likes to pummel the hockey program along with its fans and are jealous of the donations some forner players have given the program.   

Answer me this, then why haven't there been any former football players that have done the same for the football program?  

[UND-FB-FAN]

1 hour ago, Frozen4sioux said:

You know UND football is D2 right?

It amazes me that you can't get that through your head.. 

Just cause the letters changed doesnt change the reality.

Say NDSu and UND go "FBS" one day.. the only way is the P5 have created a new real top division.

UND football will never compete in the top division of college football.

Period. Ever. and ... thats OK.

Call it Football Confrence Omega Series 1 AAA Elite if you want...

but then FCOS1AAE would just be D2 too.... get a grip.

Reset your expectations to reality.

2) YOU are the main reason there is a division in your mind. YOU are perpetrating this into perpetuity. 

YOU continually manifest your own frustrations about your misplaced perception into a false causation.

Get help.

Wrong and wrong.

UND is not D2. They are FCS. There is a division II classification football and UND is not in that. Get your facts straight before you even attempt to pollute conversation with your biased garbage. 

And there are plenty of people- like yourself - who identify UND athletics as solely a hockey program and nothing else. 
 

If anyone needs help, it’s the guy who willingly identifies as “frozen 4 Sioux” … man you’re delusional and out of touch with reality. But, if you stay in a small bubble around northeast ND and northwest MN, you can manage, I suppose. 

[UND-FB-FAN]

1 hour ago, iramurphy said:

A big factor in the so called “hockey only” crowd is that there are many UND hockey fans who are Bison fans for all other sports. I’m glad we have them. I don’t believe they prevent success for our other sports, they just aren’t going to support them. 
 

They don’t prevent success but they don’t support success. Sure, I’ll buy that, but it’s a fine line. 

[zonadub]

17 hours ago, Sioux>Bison said:

 

All those teams hired coaches from the G5. We ain’t getting those coaches at UND. We could try to hire the next up and coming D2 coach but that doesn’t mean success will be guaranteed. They would still need to recruit better talent to UND. Who are they going to out recruit?

Thank you. That is my point. All these teams pulled a successful coach from a lower division and are seeing improvement in their programs. I am not familiar enough with other FCS programs to know which ones have pulled DII or NAIA coaches, but am confident it had been done as successfully as these FBS programs have been in recruiting G5 coaches.
 

But it is a moot point as long as Bubba wants to remain the head coach.

[The Sicatoka]

I'm with the UNDFootball360 guys when they tweeted this was third road game in four weeks and it showed. 

The homecoming game will tell me what I need to know. 

[Siouxperfan7]

I often wonder what the state of this program would have been had Dale Lennon not left for SIU.   Pretty safe to say he wanted to coach at the FCS level.  When he left in January of 2006, UND had announced it was moving up till later that year.  Granted, it didn't work out for Dale at SIU, but would it have been different had he statue at UND?  The Muss years were brutal, so it wouldn't have taken much.  But, Lennon had maintained the winning atmosphere in the program that RT created.  Having that consistency in our transition years to D1 would have been nice.  Lennon leaving and UND hiring the worng guy (Muss) deffinitely put this program in nuetral.  And now we are trying to catch up to the rest of the MVFC, especailly the Dakota schools.

[siouxkid12]

17 hours ago, Sioux>Bison said:

But Nebraska can really have any coach they want because they have the tradition and Big Ten $$$$$$, Frost had a pretty good track record at UCF until he went to Nebraska. Who knew he would be a bust.

He went 6-7 his first year and then 13-0 his second year. You call that a good track record? Especially a good resume to jump into a P5 program? 

[UND-FB-FAN]

3 minutes ago, siouxkid12 said:

He went 6-7 his first year and then 13-0 his second year. You call that a good track record? Especially a good resume to jump into a P5 program? 

Nebraska learned the lesson that 

1) you need a larger sample size than 2 (seasons)

2) you preferably need to see someone do it at the P5 level elsewhere first

 

But it’s a challenge. Extrapolating that to UND, you would have to hire someone with multiple successful D2 seasons and/or someone who’s been a winning head coach at the FCS level. There’s not a ton out there that fits that bill, so there’s always a risk.

[UND1983]

I need some names.  And not Caruso.  Anybody can win at St Thomas playing against D3 weaklings and now FCS non-scholly weaklings.  

[The Sicatoka]

10 hours ago, Frozen4sioux said:

You know UND football is D2 right?

"D2" or more correctly "DII" is an NCAA designation. UND is not that.

"Second tier", which is what you are truly trying to imply, is the more apt characterization as that describes the FBS/FCS relationship. 

[UND-FB-FAN]

1 minute ago, The Sicatoka said:

"D2" or more correctly "DII" is an NCAA designation. UND is not that.

"Second tier", which is what you are truly trying to imply, is the more apt characterization as that describes the FBS/FCS relationship. 

He knew that, he was just trying to be coy and provocative. 

[UND-FB-FAN]

14 minutes ago, UND1983 said:

I need some names.  And not Caruso.  Anybody can win at St Thomas playing against D3 weaklings and now FCS non-scholly weaklings.  

Without putting a bunch of names down here, just run through the polls of division II football. Who’s been doing it the longest and at the highest level? And for you $ people, they almost entirely make less per year than what Bubba is making. 

[Dustin]

Am I out of line here in suggesting that we nab a NDSU (gasp!) coordinator or assistant and tell them to do in Grand Forks what they did in Fargo?  I hate NDSU FB and their success as much as anyone on here (someone mentioned that some UND hockey fans are Bison fans for other sports - I especially hate that approach), but you have to admit that they know how to get it done.

[siouxkid12]

25 minutes ago, UND-FB-FAN said:

Nebraska learned the lesson that 

1) you need a larger sample size than 2 (seasons)

2) you preferably need to see someone do it at the P5 level elsewhere first

 

But it’s a challenge. Extrapolating that to UND, you would have to hire someone with multiple successful D2 seasons and/or someone who’s been a winning head coach at the FCS level. There’s not a ton out there that fits that bill, so there’s always a risk.

2 seasons of head coaching at an AAC school is a HUUUUUGE stretch for a P5 program. The only reason he got that is due to him being an alum and the fact that Nebraska looked the other way on all his other flaws. 

If UND wants to make a coaching change and they want to make a splash, they will need to pony up some money and/or they will need to find that GEM that is hiding at a D2 level AKA Brian Kelly...

[SiouxHawkGuy]

Someone from Ferris St

[UND-FB-FAN]

8 minutes ago, siouxkid12 said:

they will need to find that GEM that is hiding at a D2 level AKA Brian Kelly...

I think this is without a doubt the approach you take because it’s economically feasible, but as you said, it’s still a gamble and you never truly know how it’s going to work out until you do it. 

[siouxkid12]

30 minutes ago, UND-FB-FAN said:

I think this is without a doubt the approach you take because it’s economically feasible, but as you said, it’s still a gamble and you never truly know how it’s going to work out until you do it. 

Here is a thought. Does UND let Bubba coach another year or two and then bring Schmidt back? He will have a pretty good resume as an assistant coach (and he knows how to recruit) at the FBS level and UND would be his first HC gig, so he shouldn't command a whole lot.

[sioux24/7]

43 minutes ago, SiouxHawkGuy said:

Someone from Ferris St

Their head coach is Tony Annese. Impressive 101-16 record but the guys 61. 

[The Sicatoka]

9 minutes ago, siouxkid12 said:

Here is a thought. Does UND let Bubba coach another year or two and then bring Schmidt back? 

He's making a lot of money at U Dub. 

[Vegas_Sioux]

1 hour ago, The Sicatoka said:

"D2" or more correctly "DII" is an NCAA designation. UND is not that.

"Second tier", which is what you are truly trying to imply, is the more apt characterization as that describes the FBS/FCS relationship. 

Or is it mid major, or is that just for single conference bids for basketball. 

[gundy1124]

16 minutes ago, siouxkid12 said:

Here is a thought. Does UND let Bubba coach another year or two and then bring Schmidt back? He will have a pretty good resume as an assistant coach (and he knows how to recruit) at the FBS level and UND would be his first HC gig, so he shouldn't command a whole lot.

Once you've made it into Power 5 and have success you don't come back.  And as someone pointed out he's making just about 2X as much as Bubba.

[Oxbow6]

1 hour ago, Dustin said:

Am I out of line here in suggesting that we nab a NDSU (gasp!) coordinator or assistant and tell them to do in Grand Forks what they did in Fargo?  I hate NDSU FB and their success as much as anyone on here (someone mentioned that some UND hockey fans are Bison fans for other sports - I especially hate that approach), but you have to admit that they know how to get it done.

Grant Olson