President Kennedy Message on Athletics

[UNDvince97-01]

15 minutes ago, nodak651 said:

You guys will want to click this link.

https://und.edu/president/_files/docs/ncaa-report-2015.pdf

That's the 14-15 FY report I used for my numbers earlier.

[ericpnelson]

10 hours ago, sioux24/7 said:

Side note, Lindsay Whalen did almost come here. 

you serious Clark?

[UND Fan]

18 minutes ago, nodak651 said:

You guys will want to click this link.

https://und.edu/president/_files/docs/ncaa-report-2015.pdf

Thanks for posting.  It will take some time to digest but this is very interesting data - data that may not be great for those of us who think women's hockey needs to disappear.

[nodak651]

7 minutes ago, UNDvince97-01 said:

That's the 14-15 FY report I used for my numbers earlier.

Didn't know that you posted all of the data in this report.  

[UNDvince97-01]

1 minute ago, nodak651 said:

Didn't know that you posted all of the data in this report.  

Not saying I did.  Just saying that's where I got my numbers.

I'm not sure how that changes anything?  It says what we already knew.

[nodak651]

1 minute ago, UNDvince97-01 said:

Not saying I did.  Just saying that's where I got my numbers.

I'm not sure how that changes anything?  It says what we already knew.

I don't think I've ever seen a link to the source.  I'm sure some people would like to take a look at the raw data.

[UNDvince97-01]

Just now, nodak651 said:

I don't think I've ever seen a link to the source.  I'm sure some people would like to take a look at the raw data.

Oh I see.

I presumed many in this discussion were privy to the 13-14 FY report link that jdub27 posted earlier this year and in the budget thread that was discussed ad nauseum.

Very similar on that side in the 13-14.

Guess not. 

[nodak651]

1 minute ago, UNDvince97-01 said:

Oh I see.

I presumed many in this discussion were privy to the 13-14 FY report link that jdub27 posted earlier this year and in the budget thread that was discussed ad nauseum.

Very similar on that side in the 13-14.

Guess not. 

Not a big deal.

[sioux24/7]

30 minutes ago, ericpnelson said:

you serious Clark?

I'm serious. 

[ericpnelson]

41 minutes ago, sioux24/7 said:

I'm serious. 

That's pretty cool. I had never heard of anything about that

[Teeder11]

13 minutes ago, ericpnelson said:

That's pretty cool. I had never heard of anything about that

I think she has family connections to the local family that owns Whalen's Moving here in Grand Forks.

[Siouxperman8]

I believe she was considering transferring to UND after her first year with Cheryl Littlejohn as coach.   Littlejohn got fired and she decided to stay. 

[sioux24/7]

1 hour ago, Teeder11 said:

I think she has family connections to the local family that owns Whalen's Moving here in Grand Forks.

Family connections but not to the Whalen's Moving other than distantly. 

[Siouxperman8]

24 minutes ago, sioux24/7 said:

Family connections but not to the Whalen's Moving other than distantly. 

Her mother is a Vilandre I believe.  Grandfather is Casey Vilandre.  Both of her parents are from GF. 

[GeauxSioux]

24 minutes ago, sioux24/7 said:

Family connections but not to the Whalen's Moving other than distantly. 

Wasn't there a Whalen who played goalie for GFC back in the 70's.

[Siouxperman8]

3 minutes ago, GeauxSioux said:

Wasn't there a Whalen who played goalie for GFC back in the 70's.

Her parents are Neil and Kathy.

From an ESPN article.  http://www.espn.com/wnba/story/_/id/6996419/lindsay-whalen-breathes-life-minnesota-lynx 

 Kathy and Neil are both originally from Grand Forks, N.D. They met in third grade. 

[Teeder11]

35 minutes ago, sioux24/7 said:

Family connections but not to the Whalen's Moving other than distantly. 

Details, details....   No, really, thanks for the good info!  

[SWSiouxMN]

While I know that travel costs would go down for Football in the MVFC, how much would costs go down (if at all) if UND was put in a Big Sky division with the Montana schools, UNC, Idaho, Idaho State and Weber State for example.

[UNDBIZ]

8 minutes ago, SWSiouxMN said:

While I know that travel costs would go down for Football in the MVFC, how much would costs go down (if at all) if UND was put in a Big Sky division with the Montana schools, UNC, Idaho, Idaho State and Weber State for example.

We'd still be flying most everywhere, so not much. 

[Cratter]

Maybe the Summit, still feeling slighted, told UND they need to "get better" and put more resources into their sports and they'll think about letting UND join.

[GeauxSioux]

1 hour ago, Siouxperman8 said:

Her parents are Neil and Kathy.

From an ESPN article.  http://www.espn.com/wnba/story/_/id/6996419/lindsay-whalen-breathes-life-minnesota-lynx 

 Kathy and Neil are both originally from Grand Forks, N.D. They met in third grade. 

It hit me a while after posting earlier that his name was Neil.  I found this picture linked to this site.  Sorry for the thread drift.

[tnt]

1 hour ago, Siouxperman8 said:

Her parents are Neil and Kathy.

From an ESPN article.  http://www.espn.com/wnba/story/_/id/6996419/lindsay-whalen-breathes-life-minnesota-lynx 

 Kathy and Neil are both originally from Grand Forks, N.D. They met in third grade. 

Neil was the goaltender for Central in the epic 7 overtime tie with Red River in 1977. 

[Shawn-O]

9 hours ago, UND Fan said:

Thanks for posting.  It will take some time to digest but this is very interesting data - data that may not be great for those of us who think women's hockey needs to disappear.

At minimum, the data says the women's hockey coaching staff makes a combined $100,000 more per year than men's basketball. This is disgraceful and Faison should be embarrassed. 

[Hayduke]

Okay.

Count me as one of the folks who think looking at the MV Football Conference and the Summit would be a good idea.  Cheaper travel.  Better rivalries with the Dakota schools. 

But, I think we should keep women's hockey.  We are, after all, a premier hockey school.  That's a fact that can't be denied and should be enhanced with women's hockey. 

[NoiseInsideMyHead]

18 minutes ago, Shawn-O said:

At minimum, the data says the women's hockey coaching staff makes a combined $100,000 more per year than men's basketball. This is disgraceful and Faison should be embarrassed. 

Because Faison controls the market, right? Do you have any idea how economics works? Supply and demand? There are >300 D1 men's basketball programs cranking out well over 1000 grads per year, all of whom are presumably qualified to be a paid (admittedly, lowly) assistant at a D1 school. Not to mention thousands upon thousands of lower division players. That's a new crop of hungry-for-experience coaching meat IN ADDITION TO the existing pool of candidates, every year.  Does anyone believe that the competition for college hockey coaches - particularly on the women's side - even approaches that level?

Moreover, your selected data without reference to market factors such as league/regional averages, years of experience, etc. is completely meaningless.

This is at least the second post criticizing BF because the total line item budget for (poster's less preferred sport) is higher than the total line item budget for (poster's more preferred sport), oblivious to the simple and obvious fact that some sports just cost more to play. When did sports fans become such socialists?

If you want to say that the MBB assistants are underpaid, fine. We can gather some data and have that discussion. But don't lazily shovel that crap on the WH program with nothing to back it up.