Moo U Dumpster Fire Thread

[Siouxphan27]

Just now, Midwestern Hawk said:

Until today I just assumed it was just board’s in FCS recruiting offices .....turns out it includes FBS too.

And probably some NFL teams as well.  We'll have to wait for confirmation of this from Bison06 once he gets a chance to respond from his canoe.  

[Shawn-O]

8 minutes ago, UNDhoops said:

I’m not trying to be message board guy here but I went to KU and know people associated with the program, etc. 

Could use some Brent Dearmon type energy in Grand Forks.  

[Bison06]

3 minutes ago, UNDhoops said:

I’m not trying to be message board guy here but I went to KU and know people associated with the program, etc. 

I'm not trying to say he was their top recruit, I have no clue where he lands on their prospect list. Maybe it is last, maybe it is a non-committable offer as was stated.

I was responding to another poster who asserted that when an FCS recruit is offered by a P5 it's gotta be a non-committable offer. That isn't always true is all I'm saying.

[Bison06]

10 minutes ago, Siouxphan27 said:

And probably some NFL teams as well.  We'll have to wait for confirmation of this from Bison06 once he gets a chance to respond from his canoe.  

What is this canoe comment you keep making? Did I miss something in your long-winded rants?

[Siouxphan27]

3 minutes ago, Bison06 said:

What is this canoe comment you keep making? Did I miss something in your long-winded rants?

 I didn’t realize a short paragraph  was too long for you.   Rather strange that you responded to that comment of mine yet couldn’t read the whole paragraph.    The water must’ve been choppy      

[Bison06]

5 minutes ago, Siouxphan27 said:

 I didn’t realize a short paragraph  was too long for you.   Rather strange that you responded to that comment of mine yet couldn’t read the whole paragraph.    The water must’ve been choppy      

You know man, I'm not sure what your issue with me is, but I'm gonna move on from this one. 

I come here to distract me from people like you in my real world and talk sports. Not get into personal pissing matches with someone I've never met or who doesn't know the first thing about me.

If you want to disagree with my comments on their merit, I'm happy with that, good discussion is what I come here for. But, whatever this has become between you and me isn't fun.

[Siouxphan27]

1 hour ago, Bison06 said:

You know man, I'm not sure what your issue with me is, but I'm gonna move on from this one. 

I come here to distract me from people like you in my real world and talk sports. Not get into personal pissing matches with someone I've never met or who doesn't know the first thing about me.

If you want to disagree with my comments on their merit, I'm happy with that, good discussion is what I come here for. But, whatever this has become between you and me isn't fun.

Nah.  What you actually come here for is to argue.  It’s gotten old.  

[bison73]

8 hours ago, Midwestern Hawk said:

Sam Houston State was loaded with guys who started careers at FBS schools and decided for one reason or another to drop down to FCS.   Does not guarantee they were highly recruited, but much more likely.  FCS guys are NOT highly recruited unless you consider multiple FCS offers or a couple of G5 offers highly recruited.  
 

When a guy has a p5 offer and ends up at FCS(yes even mighty NDSU), the P5 “offer” was not committable.  

Please explain how you know the offer was not committable?  In affect you are saying that the offer Easton Stick had to play at Rutgers was a farce????

[JohnboyND7]

1 hour ago, Midwestern Hawk said:

It's always true unless you consider on the night before signing: "everyone on our board signed somewhere else, we need to fill a spot, how about it" an offer. 

Also remember the schools where this happens the staff has one foot out the door too.

That absolutely would be an offer haha. If a school offers you a scholarship, well...that's an offer.

[Nodak61]

2 hours ago, The Sicatoka said:

As a football coach, agree. 

As a resource who has studied how successful people and organizations operate, Adams is worth a listen. 

Does he sell a caffeine powder with his book and testimonial?

 

[bison73]

1 hour ago, Midwestern Hawk said:

It's always true unless you consider on the night before signing: "everyone on our board signed somewhere else, we need to fill a spot, how about it" an offer. 

Also remember the schools where this happens the staff has one foot out the door too.

You just make stuff up as you go along??? JFC  

[Midwestern Hawk]

3 minutes ago, bison73 said:

You just make stuff up as you go along??? JFC  

It was to make a point.  You really are foolish to believe a kid wants to play at NDSU instead of a power 5 team?  Really?

[UND1983]

if the offer was made in the spring it was non-committable.  If it was made in late fall or December, it more than likely is real.  

[bison73]

5 minutes ago, Midwestern Hawk said:

It was to make a point.  You really are foolish to believe a kid wants to play at NDSU instead of a power 5 team?  Really?

Depends on the school. Easton Stick came to NDSU as opposed to Rutgers.  Its seems its you who is foolish to be make statements in absolutes.

[bison73]

6 hours ago, Midwestern Hawk said:

I know that if a P5 school wanted Radunz, offered him and had built a relationship he would NOT be at NDSU.   

[Northcountry]

It never ceases to amaze me how important discussions of a serious topic get hijacked and deflected - maybe I am too old and this is just a sign of the times we live in, but this discussion has gone from the state of UND football to I don't know what point anyone is trying to make.  I care about the state of UND football, I could care less about whether or not an offer is "commitable" or "Noncommitable".  What adjustments need to made in the philosophy, systems, and culture of UND football and how do we get there?  Or are we on the right track and need to allow time for all the pieces to be in place?  Please try to keep the discussion linear, I really like some of the early insights, but this digression is a real buzz kill.

[tjbison]

6 minutes ago, bison73 said:

Depends on the school. Easton Stick came to NDSU as opposed to Rutgers.  Its seems its you who is foolish to be make statements in absolutes.

Ogbu had a last minute call from Georgia Tech with an offer, he chose NDSU

Saybein Clark held a strong offer from Iowa, he chose NDSU.  

Trey Lance had a last minute call from Boise St (I know not P5)

There are others I'm missing, and their narrative for choosing NDSU in most cases was the staff and fact that they will get a shot at the next level just like the P5 and compete for a Championships year In and out.  

 

I know I'm missing others and it happens at many other schools in the SE part of the country more frequently than NDSU

[The Sicatoka]

31 minutes ago, Nodak61 said:

Does he sell a caffeine powder with his book and testimonial?

Nope. Just Dilberitos. 

[WYOBISONMAN]

28 minutes ago, Midwestern Hawk said:

It was to make a point.  You really are foolish to believe a kid wants to play at NDSU instead of a power 5 team?  Really?

It really depends on a lot of factors.

[Irish]

21 minutes ago, Northcountry said:

It never ceases to amaze me how important discussions of a serious topic get hijacked and deflected - maybe I am too old and this is just a sign of the times we live in, but this discussion has gone from the state of UND football to I don't know what point anyone is trying to make.  I care about the state of UND football, I could care less about whether or not an offer is "commitable" or "Noncommitable".  What adjustments need to made in the philosophy, systems, and culture of UND football and how do we get there?  Or are we on the right track and need to allow time for all the pieces to be in place?  Please try to keep the discussion linear, I really like some of the early insights, but this digression is a real buzz kill.

Totally agree - please don't feed the trolls - they are coming out of the woodwork just to argue endlessly.

[MafiaMan]

2 hours ago, Midwestern Hawk said:

It was to make a point.  You really are foolish to believe a kid wants to play at NDSU instead of a power 5 team?  Really?

 

1 hour ago, bison73 said:

Depends on the school. Easton Stick came to NDSU as opposed to Rutgers.  Its seems its you who is foolish to be make statements in absolutes.

With all due respect, Midwestern Hawk, are you REALLY surprised that a kid would pick North Dakota State over Rutgers?  

[Midwestern Hawk]

3 minutes ago, MafiaMan said:

 

With all due respect, Midwestern Hawk, are you REALLY surprised that a kid would pick North Dakota State over Rutgers?  

A kid from Omaha?  No.  A kid from anywhere east of the Ilinois border, yes.  Also remember at the time Rutgers had NOT played a down in the B1G.

[The Sicatoka]

14 minutes ago, Siouxperman8 said:

I think this is a mis-characterization of what he was saying.  You really think that since we got to 7 wins so they were satisfied?

I'd rather hear him talking about how his system is directionally correct in getting the team to the playoffs but as the loss indicates his system needs to be adjusted because he knows there's more out there. 

 

NDSU doesn't win because of team goals.
NDSU wins because they've found a system that works. 

 

[WYOBISONMAN]

3 hours ago, The Sicatoka said:

If the student-athlete wants to be a pharmacist they'll choose a school with a pharmacy program. 

If the student-athlete wants to be a pilot they'll choose a school with an aviation program. 

It can be other than that.   Maybe it's  playing time.  That may get a kid to pick a higher FCS over FBS.  Just a lot of variables nothing ever says a kid will always pick the FBS over the FCS.  

[Siouxperman8]

19 minutes ago, WYOBISONMAN said:

It can be other than that.   Maybe it's  playing time.  That may get a kid to pick a higher FCS over FBS.  Just a lot of variables nothing ever says a kid will always pick the FBS over the FCS.  

Fully agree. Lots of reasons. Playing  closer to home, girlfriend, size of town, school size.........