Oxbow6 Posted February 12, 2016 Posted February 12, 2016 28 minutes ago, petey23 said: The Logo is NEVER going away......and it shouldn't ever go away completely. I know that our education system is rewriting history books but the Sioux name should always remain a part of UND's history. <golf clap> Quote
The Sicatoka Posted February 12, 2016 Posted February 12, 2016 1 hour ago, Oxbow6 said: <golf clap> Golf clap? Do you get that from playing too many bad holes? 1 Quote
Oxbow6 Posted February 12, 2016 Posted February 12, 2016 1 minute ago, The Sicatoka said: Golf clap? Do you get that from playing too many bad holes? It's not "The Clap"...........but I can get you a Rx for Azithromycin if needed. Quote
The Sicatoka Posted February 12, 2016 Posted February 12, 2016 Azithromycin? Is that near Pebble Beach ... or Shinnecock? 1 Quote
Oxbow6 Posted February 12, 2016 Posted February 12, 2016 6 minutes ago, The Sicatoka said: Azithromycin? Is that near Pebble Beach ... or Shinnecock? <golf clap> 1 Quote
CMSioux Posted February 12, 2016 Posted February 12, 2016 2 hours ago, Big Green said: If the Sioux Logo and Name is so offensive the NCAA/UND should have retired the Logo and name never to be manufactured by them again. It all about the money. Fear that no one would purchase UND or Fighting Hawk merchandise if able to purchase Sioux merchandise from another source. Once again the NCAA proves how hypocritical they are. That's the irony - it is impossible to retire a logo/name the only way to prevent its use is for the owner of the logo/name to keep using it - otherwise it becomes public domain and with all the technology it would be easy to replicate the logo. Quote
Big Green Posted February 12, 2016 Posted February 12, 2016 10 minutes ago, CMSioux said: That's the irony - it is impossible to retire a logo/name the only way to prevent its use is for the owner of the logo/name to keep using it - otherwise it becomes public domain and with all the technology it would be easy to replicate the logo. By retire I mean quite using it. If it is offensive don't use it. Can't have it both way's. If someone else uses it so be it. Quote
darell1976 Posted February 12, 2016 Posted February 12, 2016 10 minutes ago, CMSioux said: That's the irony - it is impossible to retire a logo/name the only way to prevent its use is for the owner of the logo/name to keep using it - otherwise it becomes public domain and with all the technology it would be easy to replicate the logo. Does Marquette still sell Warrior gear to save the trademark? Arkansas State? Stanford? Seems like I have only heard of one school on the retired NA list doing this and thats UND. Quote
NoiseInsideMyHead Posted February 12, 2016 Posted February 12, 2016 1 hour ago, darell1976 said: Does Marquette still sell Warrior gear to save the trademark? Arkansas State? Stanford? Seems like I have only heard of one school on the retired NA list doing this and thats UND. http://www.fansedge.com/Illinois_Fighting_Illini_Mens 1 Quote
darell1976 Posted February 12, 2016 Posted February 12, 2016 16 minutes ago, NoiseInsideMyHead said: http://www.fansedge.com/Illinois_Fighting_Illini_Mens That's cool. Quote
Cratter Posted February 17, 2016 Posted February 17, 2016 On 2/10/2016 at 0:31 PM, Cratter said: "Months after choosing a new nickname, schools hockey arena sells new order of old nickname clothing." I was close. "New Fighting Sioux merchandise for sale three months after nickname selection" http://www.grandforksherald.com/news/education/3949473-new-fighting-sioux-merchandise-sale-three-months-after-nickname-selection Quote
bison73 Posted February 17, 2016 Posted February 17, 2016 On 2/12/2016 at 1:51 PM, NoiseInsideMyHead said: http://www.fansedge.com/Illinois_Fighting_Illini_Mens Illinois didnt retire the name that I know of. They just got rid of the Indian war dance and they no longer play for the peace pipe against Northwestern. The NCAA ran in to a hang up with the Illini as they are extinct and have been for some time. Quote
darell1976 Posted February 17, 2016 Posted February 17, 2016 3 hours ago, bison73 said: Illinois didnt retire the name that I know of. They just got rid of the Indian war dance and they no longer play for the peace pipe against Northwestern. The NCAA ran in to a hang up with the Illini as they are extinct and have been for some time. They had an Indian image on their jerseys (Chief Illiniwek) and to comply with the NCAA's NA policy got rid of all Indian association. Fighting Illini can be associated with someone from Illinois( the state not the tribe ). Quote
Blackheart Posted February 17, 2016 Posted February 17, 2016 8 hours ago, Cratter said: I was close. "New Fighting Sioux merchandise for sale three months after nickname selection" http://www.grandforksherald.com/news/education/3949473-new-fighting-sioux-merchandise-sale-three-months-after-nickname-selection Must be a slow news day over at the Heraldo. Quote
siouxforcefans Posted February 17, 2016 Posted February 17, 2016 5 hours ago, darell1976 said: They had an Indian image on their jerseys (Chief Illiniwek) and to comply with the NCAA's NA policy got rid of all Indian association. Fighting Illini can be associated with someone from Illinois( the state not the tribe ). Weren't we always told they also had to drop the "Fighting" and just be the "Illini"? Quote
Siouxperfan7 Posted February 17, 2016 Posted February 17, 2016 10 hours ago, Cratter said: I was close. "New Fighting Sioux merchandise for sale three months after nickname selection" http://www.grandforksherald.com/news/education/3949473-new-fighting-sioux-merchandise-sale-three-months-after-nickname-selection Sorry if I hurt peoples feeling with this comment, but selling the least amount of merchandise as little as they have to is the option that Schafer and UND need to do. If the goal of the University is in fact to market the new name and logo with UND and move forward, that is the best option that they must do. 1 1 Quote
siouxstudent Posted February 17, 2016 Posted February 17, 2016 I just want to know, do they have any items left? Will there be anything available this weekend? Quote
82SiouxGuy Posted February 17, 2016 Posted February 17, 2016 1 hour ago, siouxforcefans said: Weren't we always told they also had to drop the "Fighting" and just be the "Illini"? No. Fighting was never a problem for the NCAA. Look at all of the other nicknames that use Fighting. Some people assumed that using the word Fighting with a Native American word or name was the problem, but that was only true for a limited number of individuals and not the NCAA. 1 Quote
The Sicatoka Posted February 17, 2016 Posted February 17, 2016 If "Fighting" is a problem, we'd still have a problem. Quote
obborg Posted February 17, 2016 Posted February 17, 2016 So they have the freedom to set "required" sales at, say one t-shirt (best for branding transition) or to make it unlimited (best for currently needed sales boost.) The New Sioux gear does demonstrate at the very least a lack of commitment to the re-brand, no? 1 Quote
andtheHomeoftheSIOUX!! Posted February 17, 2016 Posted February 17, 2016 I wonder if we will be able to purchase gear with both logos and nicknames on the same item... Quote
SWSiouxMN Posted February 17, 2016 Posted February 17, 2016 This part of the article brings up a question for me Quote UND must use the Fighting Sioux marks to keep its trademarks, but Schafer said "usage" isn't defined by the law, and so his office is now working on a definition UND can stand by. With the assistance of legal counsel, Schafer's office will create a definition that stipulates how much, how often and where the university will use the marks. "I don't see it as some kind of long process because usage isn't defined," Schafer said. "We can define it any way we want, we just have to make sure we have a reasonable chance at legal defense." When they started this Collection, why wasn't this defined already? Don't you think that would have been the first thing that should have been done when establishing it? 2 Quote
Cratter Posted February 17, 2016 Posted February 17, 2016 4 hours ago, Blackheart said: Must be a slow news day over at the Heraldo. Pretty hot topic here and social media so only natural the herald will have an article. Quote
obborg Posted February 17, 2016 Posted February 17, 2016 11 minutes ago, SWSiouxMN said: When they started this Collection, why wasn't this defined already? Same question, conversely: Why must they define it now? Why not simply enjoy the freedom to adapt to changes down the road? 2 Quote
UNDBIZ Posted February 17, 2016 Posted February 17, 2016 5 minutes ago, obborg said: Same question, conversely: Why must they define it now? Why not simply enjoy the freedom to adapt to changes down the road? Because the battle was lost years ago and it's time to move on. Quote
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