The Sicatoka Posted March 14 Share Posted March 14 This could also be "tacit compensation" by the DOD for squelching a corn plant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frozen4sioux Posted March 14 Share Posted March 14 1 minute ago, fightingsioux4life said: You think preparing for extreme weather events is "grift"? Hurricanes happen on the gulf coast all the time. You think flood insurance is a "grift" too? Yes it is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kab Posted March 14 Share Posted March 14 42 minutes ago, northernraider said: 2023 Census Numbers released today here are net gain/loss 2020 to 2023 Grand Forks Metro: - 1,246 (-1.2%) Fargo Metro: 12,787 (5.1%) Grand Forks County: -473 (-.6%) Cass County: 11,845 (6.4%) I’m still not buying these numbers for Grand Forks 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Sicatoka Posted March 14 Share Posted March 14 1 minute ago, fightingsioux4life said: You think flood insurance is a "grift" too? This year it is. Others not so much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nodak651 Posted March 14 Share Posted March 14 44 minutes ago, northernraider said: 2023 Census Numbers released today here are net gain/loss 2020 to 2023 Grand Forks Metro: - 1,246 (-1.2%) Fargo Metro: 12,787 (5.1%) Grand Forks County: -473 (-.6%) Cass County: 11,845 (6.4%) Link? I couldn't find source Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Sicatoka Posted March 14 Share Posted March 14 Just now, Kab said: I’m still not buying these numbers for Grand Forks Estimates rectally extracted by some estimator. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frozen4sioux Posted March 14 Share Posted March 14 18 minutes ago, The Sicatoka said: The USAF has always had an alternate base plan. You move the assets away from weather that may impede flight operations. The former GFAFB B-52s and B-1s would "fly south" during blizzards. So there's never been a plan for hurricanes before???? Ever ?? In the history of the Air Force.... dooooohkay No this is to create more and more of a basis for perpetuation of the "needs" to respond to (Dr Evil air quotes) increased threats from the effects of global climate change to national security (Dr Evil air quotes) And it's happening across the DOD and it's a complete grift on the American taxpayer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Sicatoka Posted March 14 Share Posted March 14 GF AFB was a long-range bomber base. Then a drone base. Now they are using existing runway for fifth gens; that'll take some infrastrure modifications. I'm happy they're multipurposing that massive runway and not building another new somewhere else. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nodak651 Posted March 14 Share Posted March 14 12 minutes ago, Frozen4sioux said: So there's never been a plan for hurricanes before???? Ever ?? In the history of the Air Force.... dooooohkay No this is to create more and more of a basis for perpetuation of the "needs" to respond to (Dr Evil air quotes) increased threats from the effects of global climate change to national security (Dr Evil air quotes) And it's happening across the DOD and it's a complete grift on the American taxpayer You really think weather is the only thing they are preparing for? This really says a lot about the value of your opinions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fightingsioux4life Posted March 14 Share Posted March 14 22 minutes ago, Frozen4sioux said: Yes it is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fightingsioux4life Posted March 14 Share Posted March 14 22 minutes ago, Kab said: I’m still not buying these numbers for Grand Forks Me either. You don't build apartments and homes if there isn't a demand for housing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
northernraider Posted March 14 Share Posted March 14 https://www.census.gov/newsroom/press-releases/2024/population-estimates-more-counties-population-gains-2023.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frozen4sioux Posted March 14 Share Posted March 14 21 minutes ago, nodak651 said: You really think weather is the only thing they are preparing for? This really says a lot about the value of your opinions. China ain't invading on the beaches bud. But that's 100% the message and optics they are presenting, not me. Why should we just roll over and accept the waste and payoffs ?? Cause we benefit from this one.... The North Dakota way as usual, we hate the big government waste and the evil propaganda and protest with one hand and keep the other squarely on the bag-O-cash being shillled out to the other. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nodak651 Posted March 14 Share Posted March 14 7 minutes ago, Frozen4sioux said: China ain't invading on the beaches bud. But that's 100% the message and optics they are presenting, not me. Why should we just roll over and accept the waste and payoffs ?? Cause we benefit from this one.... The North Dakota way as usual, we hate the big government waste and the evil propaganda and protest with one hand and keep the other squarely on the bag-O-cash being shillled out to the other. Take a minute and read the link I posted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
90siouxfan Posted March 14 Share Posted March 14 24 minutes ago, Frozen4sioux said: China ain't invading on the beaches bud. But that's 100% the message and optics they are presenting, not me. Why should we just roll over and accept the waste and payoffs ?? Cause we benefit from this one.... The North Dakota way as usual, we hate the big government waste and the evil propaganda and protest with one hand and keep the other squarely on the bag-O-cash being shillled out to the other. I don't think that is a uniquely North Dakota problem, more like a worldwide epidemic in established countries. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoiseInsideMyHead Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 6 hours ago, fightingsioux4life said: Me either. You don't build apartments and homes if there isn't a demand for housing. Where is the other evidence of growth, though? Traffic? No. UND avoiding the enrollment cliff, but higher ed trends seem flat. Entertainment, retail, dining...still seem to be closing at a faster rate than opening. Manufacturing and industry? (crickets) And can't new rooftops/housing just be a lagging indication of pent up demand? Existing residents leaving upscale apartments for homes, former mid-level renters upgrading, older areas slowly being gentrified, redeveloped? Population shifting southward generally? Does anyone honestly get a growth or boomtown vibe? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hawkster Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 8 hours ago, northernraider said: 2023 Census Numbers released today here are net gain/loss 2020 to 2023 Grand Forks Metro: - 1,246 (-1.2%) Fargo Metro: 12,787 (5.1%) Grand Forks County: -473 (-.6%) Cass County: 11,845 (6.4%) I brought that very point up a month ago or so and it was argued, but I firmly believe those numbers are correct. Fargo and Cass County are sucking the lifeblood out of the rest of the region. I'm not saying that to be sarcastic or trolling, just pointing out the reality of the situation. The only way to improve is to push for economic development and that's not easy. Or cheap. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gfhockey Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 3 minutes ago, Hawkster said: I brought that very point up a month ago or so and it was argued, but I firmly believe those numbers are correct. Fargo and Cass County are sucking the lifeblood out of the rest of the region. I'm not saying that to be sarcastic or trolling, just pointing out the reality of the situation. The only way to improve is to push for economic development and that's not easy. Or cheap. They go after Microsoft Marvin amazon wr go after fufeng Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SIOUXFAN97 Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 8 hours ago, The Sicatoka said: Estimates rectally extracted by some estimator. probably on a bike too....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kab Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 Why do they do surveys in odd years, I thought they were every 10 years, what’s the purpose Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hawkster Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 8 minutes ago, Kab said: Why do they do surveys in odd years, I thought they were every 10 years, what’s the purpose It's to spot trends for infrastructure needs. In high growth areas every 10 years isn't enough. Planners need to know where future roads and schools are needed years in advance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Sicatoka Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 22 minutes ago, SIOUXFAN97 said: probably on a bike too....... You said it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tnt Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 21 hours ago, NoiseInsideMyHead said: Where is the other evidence of growth, though? Traffic? No. UND avoiding the enrollment cliff, but higher ed trends seem flat. Entertainment, retail, dining...still seem to be closing at a faster rate than opening. Manufacturing and industry? (crickets) And can't new rooftops/housing just be a lagging indication of pent up demand? Existing residents leaving upscale apartments for homes, former mid-level renters upgrading, older areas slowly being gentrified, redeveloped? Population shifting southward generally? Does anyone honestly get a growth or boomtown vibe? Traffic, yes! Never have I had to wait for a second light more often. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kab Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 21 hours ago, NoiseInsideMyHead said: Where is the other evidence of growth, though? Traffic? No. UND avoiding the enrollment cliff, but higher ed trends seem flat. Entertainment, retail, dining...still seem to be closing at a faster rate than opening. Manufacturing and industry? (crickets) And can't new rooftops/housing just be a lagging indication of pent up demand? Existing residents leaving upscale apartments for homes, former mid-level renters upgrading, older areas slowly being gentrified, redeveloped? Population shifting southward generally? Does anyone honestly get a growth or boomtown vibe? I get a growth vibe, not boomtown look at downtown look at out south most people don’t see the growth in south end because they don’t go there or can’t see it from I29 dining closures happen usually because of bad food or bad service I like to look at building permits and cost 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nodak651 Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 This reported anywhere? https://www.grandforksgov.com/home/showpublisheddocument/50560/638443008808300000 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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