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23 minutes ago, Nodak78 said:

Like a congressman sleeping with a Chinese spy.

Like college professors selling info to chinese

Like stealing copywrite material even Dougie's

Even a VP's son accepting money for Chinese to gain access.  10% for the big guy.  Now president.

USA needs a strong presents or Taiwan will be taken over by China and USA will not lift a finger because of all the commerce between.  Companies don't give a damn about Taiwan.  If Taiwan falls so does Japan and S Korea.

What the hell it is only a corn milling plant!!!!

 

 

The Art of War continued to be consulted afterwards throughout China's history and eventually came to be considered one of the classics and required reading. From China, the work traveled around the world and, in the present day, is among the bestselling books of all time. Sun-Tzu's maxim that “All warfare is based on deception” (1.18) has been cited as an essential component of any military campaign as well as in business transactions, legal proceedings, and political campaigns.

Read what jdub said again. He's not arguing that China is not spying. He's saying the opposite; that China is definitely spying. But this isn't the 80s. China doesn't need a 300 acre corn milling plant in order to spy on drone activity at GFAFB. If they want to spy, they could fit all the equipment they need to do that in a small house. And something like that would make a lot more sense in covert terms than drawing national attention by building a $700 million facility.

Stopping the Fufeng plant isn't going to help or hurt China's espionage efforts around GFAFB. If they are interested in drone sigint, they probably already have equipment set up at Cirrus or some generic storage facility or house in town. It's very possible that the equipment might get moved to the corn plant once it's built, but it's not a case of no plant = no spying.

There are good reasons and bad reasons for opposing the Fufeng plan. Concern about espionage is way into the bad reason camp. Not because China doesn't spy, but because this would be a really stupid(obvious) way to go about it.

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34 minutes ago, Hammersmith said:

Read what jdub said again. He's not arguing that China is not spying. He's saying the opposite; that China is definitely spying. But this isn't the 80s. China doesn't need a 300 acre corn milling plant in order to spy on drone activity at GFAFB. If they want to spy, they could fit all the equipment they need to do that in a small house. And something like that would make a lot more sense in covert terms than drawing national attention by building a $700 million facility.

Stopping the Fufeng plant isn't going to help or hurt China's espionage efforts around GFAFB. If they are interested in drone sigint, they probably already have equipment set up at Cirrus or some generic storage facility or house in town. It's very possible that the equipment might get moved to the corn plant once it's built, but it's not a case of no plant = no spying.

There are good reasons and bad reasons for opposing the Fufeng plan. Concern about espionage is way into the bad reason camp. Not because China doesn't spy, but because this would be a really stupid(obvious) way to go about it.

You are a useful idiot.

 

Stopping the Fufeng plant isn't going to help or hurt China's espionage efforts around GFAFB. If they are interested in drone sigint, they probably already have equipment set up at Cirrus or some generic storage facility or house in town. It's very possible that the equipment might get moved to the corn plant once it's built, but it's not a case of no plant = no spying.

The Art of War continued to be consulted afterwards throughout China's history and eventually came to be considered one of the classics and required reading. From China, the work traveled around the world and, in the present day, is among the bestselling books of all time. Sun-Tzu's maxim that “All warfare is based on deception” (1.18) has been cited as an essential component of any military campaign as well as in business transactions, legal proceedings, and political campaigns.

 

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The Kauffman family kids started their cool business five years ago in front of their home near Century Elementary.

I made a pit stop there about five years ago. Those kids ran a pretty good operation.

Credit cards and everything. 

Had free advertising as people on KNOX radio were talking talking about it even back then.

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1 hour ago, northernraider said:

Corporate hacks are generally clueless and short-sighted.

 

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On 7/26/2022 at 3:04 PM, northernraider said:

While there is some validity to an issue with constant carpet stains.

U still say burn the owberahip at the stake.

Im not a fan of government overstep but....

I say the City should condemn the mall take it over with eminent domain... and bulldoze the thing overnight.

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10 hours ago, Frozen4sioux said:

While there is some validity to an issue with constant carpet stains.

U still say burn the owberahip at the stake.

Im not a fan of government overstep but....

I say the City should condemn the mall take it over with eminent domain... and bulldoze the thing overnight.

I concur!  The out of state corporate a-holes that own it use the Columbia Mall property as a tax write off.  They don't give a sh*t about it but it's a "tax-plus" in their portfolio so no reason to do anything about it.   That's why they can tell the young Snow Cone kids who were the kind of inventive entrepreneurs that mall NEEDS to essentially "GET OFF THEIR LAWN!"

They know they're a-holes but they don't care.  They only care about the bottom line and they're not from here - that's a problem.

The only reason West Acres is still a thing in Fargo is it's locally owned and the owners are pivoting constantly to keep stores and spaces relevant.   We went through THE METRO last weekend and the WA parking lot was FULL of cars.   If you can find more than 10 cars in one space at Columbia Mall it's only in the Scheels Parking lot and that's only because Scheels is the last viable big anchor in the mall.  It's only a matter of time for JC Penney on a corporate level and then Columbia mall is really f*cked.   

 

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2 hours ago, SIOUXFAN97 said:

if GF brings people to sell GF from the airport two of the most beautiful locations they get to see are the abandoned westward ho hotel and the abandoned ideal inn across the street from subaru store....great impressions.

Many cities have unflattering areas nearest their airports...just a function of where airports tend to be, and nearby land utilization.  That said, you can always head south - past the bison - and then take Demers into town.  Other than a seedy concrete plant and a dumpy, old self-storage, you do get a remodeled Amtrak station, a glimpse of the western edge of UND's campus, a golf course, and the Alerus/Canad complex with ringed with newer hotels.

Drive a little further south, and 32nd gives you some bustle and promise (after a lot of nothing), but there's still some vacant retail, vacant restaurants, and a clinically dead mall.

There's not enough lipstick to dress GF up as much more than it is (a bluish-collar and proud college town with economic vulnerability and somewhat stagnant growth), and it would be hard to take someone on a 'perfect' driving tour from the airport that would leave them feeling otherwise.  Maybe a helicopter?

But damn...have you seen the old Ambassador Motel site?  Something is rising from the ashes!

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4 hours ago, SIOUXFAN97 said:

if GF brings people to sell GF from the airport two of the most beautiful locations they get to see are the abandoned westward ho hotel and the abandoned ideal inn across the street from subaru store....great impressions.

GF must be doing pretty good to make it that far from the airport and that's what you're worried about.

..... Not the junk yards or anything....:whistling:

.... As pointed out.. Most cities growth isn't near airports. And growth is usually accompanied by decay*.

*one example is: The Lighting Gallery is moving to a new fancy storefront on the Southend. Leaving a possible future "northern" abandoned strip mall storefront...

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