Fire Berry Please!

[gfhockey]

5 minutes ago, siouxweet said:

The UND hockey program emulates itself like an NHL program/team if that is the case with all the resources UND has Berry would have been fired a few years ago with the lack of post season success. 

Maybe we don’t any more who nors

[HockeyHawk]

1 hour ago, AJS said:

We know that Berry, Sather and Bernhard all have contracts that expire after the 2025-26 season. Chaves contract is also done in spring of 2026. Is there any significance if we don't hear anything on the Sather and Bernhard front? Or is there no correlation at all with what will happen to Berry? Clearly, you can't extend any of them. In the portal era, it takes a lot of the pressure off "lame duck" year. I find it hard to believe nothing will happen to any of the three. 

Let's subscribe to the theory that Berry is back, regardless. Would we see coaching changes to the assistants? If it's Simpson, I'm guessing that would be incredibly unpopular. Berry pushing the easy button again. What if it's Jackson? KG? I would feel a bit better if it's Jackson. Reason being, I want to get as far away from this era of UND hockey as possible. Worst case scenario being, all coaches return, slight bounce back year, Berry steps down next year, but Jackson is named the successor. Really, really hope someone is willing to write the check after this year. We need a hard stop in the worst way. 

Chaves created this mess with the coaches he should be the one who takes the fall. I don’t know how he survived the Bubba contract debacle. 

[Sweethockey]

Minnesota fired men's basketball coach Ben Johnson on Thursday after four years of repeatedly rebuilding rosters at his alma mater without coming close to an NCAA tournament appearance as the program fell behind in the rugged and expanded Big Ten.

Johnson had two seasons remaining on his contract, which calls for a $2.92 million buyout. His annual salary was $1.95 million, the lowest in the 18-team league.

Minnesota can do it. Lack of performance equals dismissal. Mr. Armacost please take notice.

[dustnyou]

3 hours ago, gfhockey said:

Whose got more of what counts in less years and resources

DC does of course. I was replying to a post that said he beats Bubs most the time…. And that’s not the case. I think Berry is the only coach in the country DC has a losing record to. 
 

for the record, I think DC is one of the top three coaches in college hockey and should be a HC in the NHL very soon. 

[fightingsioux4life]

18 minutes ago, Sweethockey said:

Minnesota fired men's basketball coach Ben Johnson on Thursday after four years of repeatedly rebuilding rosters at his alma mater without coming close to an NCAA tournament appearance as the program fell behind in the rugged and expanded Big Ten.

Johnson had two seasons remaining on his contract, which calls for a $2.92 million buyout. His annual salary was $1.95 million, the lowest in the 18-team league.

Minnesota can do it. Lack of performance equals dismissal. Mr. Armacost please take notice.

Ben Johnson should try to get Sather's job. He'll keep getting extended no matter what. 

[gfhockey]

1 hour ago, dustnyou said:

DC does of course. I was replying to a post that said he beats Bubs most the time…. And that’s not the case. I think Berry is the only coach in the country DC has a losing record to. 
 

for the record, I think DC is one of the top three coaches in college hockey and should be a HC in the NHL very soon. 

What would you rank Berry? Top 10?

[siouxweet]

1 minute ago, gfhockey said:

What would you rank Berry? Top 10?

Recruiting yes.  Coaching and having a watchable product absolutely not.

[siouxkid12]

2 hours ago, Sweethockey said:

Minnesota fired men's basketball coach Ben Johnson on Thursday after four years of repeatedly rebuilding rosters at his alma mater without coming close to an NCAA tournament appearance as the program fell behind in the rugged and expanded Big Ten.

Johnson had two seasons remaining on his contract, which calls for a $2.92 million buyout. His annual salary was $1.95 million, the lowest in the 18-team league.

Minnesota can do it. Lack of performance equals dismissal. Mr. Armacost please take notice.

This is a terrible comparison.... Minnesota can do it because they have substantial money to be able to afford a buyout of that nature, UND isn't even on that level. Also, Ben Johnson never had a winning conference record and only had 1 .500 (or above) season. I am all for a new direction for UND hockey but at least make some sense on why and don't justify it with lame examples like this one.

[dustnyou]

30 minutes ago, gfhockey said:

What would you rank Berry? Top 10?

Yes. I think you have to. Since Berrys first day as head coach 9 years ago, only 6 college hockey coaches have won a national Championship. He’s one of them and only 5 remain. His win/loss record and conference championships also increase this credential. 

[sioux24/7]

2 hours ago, Sweethockey said:

Minnesota fired men's basketball coach Ben Johnson on Thursday after four years of repeatedly rebuilding rosters at his alma mater without coming close to an NCAA tournament appearance as the program fell behind in the rugged and expanded Big Ten.

Johnson had two seasons remaining on his contract, which calls for a $2.92 million buyout. His annual salary was $1.95 million, the lowest in the 18-team league.

Minnesota can do it. Lack of performance equals dismissal. Mr. Armacost please take notice.

Yeah this is a ridiculous comp. Only brought up because it was Minnesota. 

[burd]

19 hours ago, dustnyou said:

Yes. I think you have to. Since Berrys first day as head coach 9 years ago, only 6 college hockey coaches have won a national Championship. He’s one of them and only 5 remain. His win/loss record and conference championships also increase this credential. 

How many times during those 9 years did his team win the toughest conference in the country (not toughest this year, by a longshot), and how often was he selected coach of the year in that conference?   When and if they don't make the tourney this year, I have no problem with the school declining to renew his contract, but calling him a bad coach is just emotions talking.   Thing is, though, that aside from the one natty (which some consider the only metric that matters, at least during the Hakstol years), his post season record is dismal.   College sports should not be considered business, but coaching and admin certainly is.  Berry knows that.   if necessary, just let him go and tell him that for all he meant to the players, fans, and staff, the post season success just wasn't happening and the program had to move on.  You don't have to demonize to make the tough call.  

[tnt]

7 hours ago, tnt said:

That might be very awkward based on the differing philosophies of aggressiveness.  Smaby just sits a year and waits until he can implement his systems might not be something he wants to do, being he probably gets paid pretty well right now.  If you're going to overhaul it, just start fresh with someone, rather than them having to stay tight-lipped waiting in the wings.  

…and now we see a Schlossman article that says UND had the fewest power plays on record.  Yet UND is one of the most penalized teams in the league.  If that doesn’t tell you to change your philosophy and become more aggressive offensively, I don’t know what will.  Take a look in the mirror and see what got UND their last National Championship— UND had the highest scoring defensive corp, along with guys with great offensive talent.  

[brianvf]

3 minutes ago, tnt said:

…and now we see a Schlossman article that says UND had the fewest power plays on record.  Yet UND is one of the most penalized teams in the league.  If that doesn’t tell you to change your philosophy and become more aggressive offensively, I don’t know what will.  Take a look in the mirror and see what got UND their last National Championship— UND had the highest scoring defensive corp, along with guys with great offensive talent.  

Yep.  Let the horses run free.
And this certainly isn't a coincidence:

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NCHC champion Western Michigan averages 5.7 penalty minutes per game, the lowest number of any NCAA team since at least 2001, when CollegeHockeyStats.net began compiling national statistics.

 

[Blackheart]

26 minutes ago, tnt said:

…and now we see a Schlossman article that says UND had the fewest power plays on record.  Yet UND is one of the most penalized teams in the league.  If that doesn’t tell you to change your philosophy and become more aggressive offensively, I don’t know what will.  Take a look in the mirror and see what got UND their last National Championship— UND had the highest scoring defensive corp, along with guys with great offensive talent.  

One of the most penalized with one of the worst penalty kills in recent program history.  That doesn't make for a winning combination.

[Godsmack]

12 minutes ago, Blackheart said:

One of the most penalized with one of the worst penalty kills in recent program history.  That doesn't make for a winning combination.

And I’d also argue that playing in the o zone leads to more power play opportunities. (Edit)

Edited March 14 by Godsmack
Typo

[Sioux>Bison]

39 minutes ago, tnt said:

…and now we see a Schlossman article that says UND had the fewest power plays on record.  Yet UND is one of the most penalized teams in the league.  If that doesn’t tell you to change your philosophy and become more aggressive offensively, I don’t know what will.  Take a look in the mirror and see what got UND their last National Championship— UND had the highest scoring defensive corp, along with guys with great offensive talent.  

UND played solid defensively, both forwards and defensemen . Opposing teams never got good chances because of that solid back checking. You don’t see that same effort this year 

[Benny Baker]

7 hours ago, Sweethockey said:

Minnesota fired men's basketball coach Ben Johnson on Thursday after four years of repeatedly rebuilding rosters at his alma mater without coming close to an NCAA tournament appearance as the program fell behind in the rugged and expanded Big Ten.

Johnson had two seasons remaining on his contract, which calls for a $2.92 million buyout. His annual salary was $1.95 million, the lowest in the 18-team league.

Minnesota can do it. Lack of performance equals dismissal. Mr. Armacost please take notice.

 

5 hours ago, siouxkid12 said:

This is a terrible comparison.... Minnesota can do it because they have substantial money to be able to afford a buyout of that nature, UND isn't even on that level. Also, Ben Johnson never had a winning conference record and only had 1 .500 (or above) season. I am all for a new direction for UND hockey but at least make some sense on why and don't justify it with lame examples like this one.

You’re right. It is apples and oranges.

But just like UND doesn’t have the resources for those types of buyouts, it doesn’t have the resources to compete in the NIL arena with schools like Minnesota either.

[jdub27]

14 minutes ago, Benny Baker said:

 

You’re right. It is apples and oranges.

But just like UND doesn’t have the resources for those types of buyouts, it doesn’t have the resources to compete in the NIL arena with schools like Minnesota either.

If Minnesota is focusing their revenue share NIL on basketball (and football) and whatever offsetting women's sports, not going to be a whole lot left for hockey. So that's a positive for UND. 

[.357]

37 minutes ago, Benny Baker said:

 

You’re right. It is apples and oranges.

But just like UND doesn’t have the resources for those types of buyouts, it doesn’t have the resources to compete in the NIL arena with schools like Minnesota either.

From what little I've read about NIL for college hockey (there aren't many articles on it), I've learned that this money comes from private individuals & companies, not from the institutions themselves; so it shouldn't matter all that much whether a school has an enrollment of 15k or 45k because it's privately funded.

Unless someone here has an article stating otherwise that college hockey NIL comes from the schools themselves

[Frozen4sioux]

36 minutes ago, .357 said:

; so it shouldn't matter all that much whether a school has an enrollment of 15k or 45k because it's privately funded.

 

Who has more alumni to fund the NILS.....

the school with enrollment of 15k...... or 45k.........

[AlphaMikeFoxtrot]

15 minutes ago, Frozen4sioux said:

Who has more alumni to fund the NILS.....

the school with enrollment of 15k...... or 45k.........

Success results in donations though, and the Gophers haven't had any in decades now in anything.

Plus all the Comms majors and international students that make up half their campus aren't going to donate, haha. 

[Benny Baker]

1 minute ago, AlphaMikeFoxtrot said:

Success results in donations though, and the Gophers haven't had any in decades now in anything. 

NIL deals haven’t existed for decades; but rather, less than four years.

I know I’ve seen Minnesota’s hockey team in a national championship game during that timeframe.

[AlphaMikeFoxtrot]

Just now, Benny Baker said:

NIL deals haven’t existed for decades; but rather, less than four years.

I know I’ve seen Minnesota’s hockey team in a national championship game during that timeframe.

Alumni engagement was always important, now it's straight from boosters to the players rather than shiny new facilities.

[Benny Baker]

16 minutes ago, AlphaMikeFoxtrot said:

Success results in donations though, and the Gophers haven't had any in decades now in anything.

Plus all the Comms majors and international students that make up half their campus aren't going to donate, haha. 

 

10 minutes ago, Benny Baker said:

NIL deals haven’t existed for decades; but rather, less than four years.

I know I’ve seen Minnesota’s hockey team in a national championship game during that timeframe.

 

4 minutes ago, AlphaMikeFoxtrot said:

Alumni engagement was always important, now it's straight from boosters to the players rather than shiny new facilities.

So you agree, then?  After all, it was UofM’s independent NIL program—Dinkytown Athletes—that was literally first to announce Jimmy Snuggerud’s return by tweeting he’s “coming back for another year with @DTAthletes”.  I must have missed the 1889’s collective tweet about Jackson Blake returning this season. 

I saw you later added a comment about UofM’s comms and foreign students. I have to wonder the same then about all of UND’s similar degrees and the Russians and Chinese we’ve trained as pilots.

[.357]

17 minutes ago, Frozen4sioux said:

Who has more alumni to fund the NILS.....

the school with enrollment of 15k...... or 45k.........

Who has an equal or larger hockey fanbase & who has the more passionate fans? MN may have 3x the alumni, but that doesn't mean diddly if the vast majority of them are lukewarm fans or not even interested at all in hockey. The vast majority of boosters/alumni at schools like OSU, PSU, Notre Dame, MI, etc will be opening their checkbooks for their favorite football & basketball players, hockey is a distant third in priorities at those large schools, if that. 

 

4 minutes ago, Benny Baker said:

NIL deals haven’t existed for decades; but rather, less than four years.

I know I’ve seen Minnesota’s hockey team in a national championship game during that timeframe.

Mankato, Quinnipiac, Denver & Boston College were also in a national title game during the last 4 years; all with smaller enrollments than UND. It's fallacious to argue that a school needs a large enrollment/alumni base like MN in order to compete in modern college hockey NIL...

And Jackson Blake may have been ready & wanting to go pro regardless of what was offered to him by the Collective. It's impossible to say that NIL money, or a lack thereof, was responsible for him leaving without knowing him personally or him stating publicly, which he hasn't.