UND @ NDSU 10/5/24

[UND1983]

11 hours ago, jdub27 said:

How's he getting a year back? Unless something changed, this is his 4th year of eligibility whether he plays or not (5 years to play 4 unless there's a medical redshirt).

Don’t d2 and the lower levels have a different timeline?  Not certain on that but..

[Dustin]

15 hours ago, UND1983 said:

"I've got to do a better job to get our team ready to go on the road and play high-ranked teams in the country," Schweigert said. "I'm going to take a look at how we're preparing.

It’s year 11.  

Year 11 for UND.  Year 40 of coaching.  Hard to believe he still has to say this.  Give the reigns to Fruechte and let him hire his own DC.

[tnt]

14 minutes ago, Dustin said:

Year 11 for UND.  Year 40 of coaching.  Hard to believe he still has to say this.  Give the reigns to Fruechte and let him hire his own DC.

Lip service seems to be working for him, at least in the eyes of the people that are making the decisions. 

[UND-FB-FAN]

1 minute ago, tnt said:

Lip service seems to be working for him, at least in the eyes of the people that are making the decisions. 

It’s all lip service and political correctiveness, which University leadership loves and eats it all up - contract extension after contract extension. Apparently results on the field are very low on the principle metric list. 

[UND1983]

When is the last time we had an all-conference level QB?  One of the top two QB's in the conference and a guy who made plays out of nothing, dominated games?  

[UND-FB-FAN]

9 minutes ago, UND1983 said:

When is the last time we had an all-conference level QB?  One of the top two QB's in the conference and a guy who made plays out of nothing, dominated games?  

Tommy Schuster was conference honorable mention …

https://fightinghawks.com/news/2023/8/2/football-schuster-named-to-walter-payton-award-watchlist.aspx

 

as for a true first or second team QB, been a long time. It is a true position of need for this program, so will be interesting to see what Fruechte comes up with. In the meantime, Romfo will keep developing, and don’t lose sight on the defense which is the main area of weakness right now. Need better players on D but Bubba and Schwenzfeier also need to simply do a better job …

[Kab]

Coach said he needs to do better at preparing his team for games

listen to every press conference his emphasis is preparation and concentrating on his team

maybe he should watch his own press conference

ndsu knew they could score on ind and that’s why they took the opening kickoff 

[fightingsioux4life]

8 minutes ago, UND1983 said:

When is the last time we had an all-conference level QB?  One of the top two QB's in the conference and a guy who made plays out of nothing, dominated games?  

Freund?

[Longtime fan]

17 hours ago, UND1983 said:

"I've got to do a better job to get our team ready to go on the road and play high-ranked teams in the country," Schweigert said. "I'm going to take a look at how we're preparing.

It’s year 11.  

Classic bubba!    
 

Road stats after 11 years:

-19-38 lifetime road record (.333%)

-1-18 (.05%) vs teams that would make the playoffs.  The one win was in 2015 against Port St

- 3 road victories against teams with a winning record.  

-18-20 (.474%) vs non playoff teams 

-non playoff teams combined record 61-144 (.298%)winning percentage 

10 of 18 teams records that und beat 

0-11

1-5

1-10

2-8

2-9

2-9

2-9

2-9

2-9

2-10

 

bubba can claim three road victories in 11 years that would be considered “ok” wins?  But he did just say last week he will look into how they’re preparing !?  lol   Not sure why since he’s constantly getting extensions.  

 

[tnt]

1 minute ago, Longtime fan said:

Classic bubba!    
 

11 years:

-19-38 lifetime road record (.333%)

-1-18 (.05%) vs teams that would make the playoffs.  The one win was in 2015 against Port St

- 3 road victories against teams with a winning record.  

-18-20 (.474%) vs non playoff teams 

-non playoff teams combined record 61-144 (.298%)winning percentage 

10 of 18 teams records that und beat 

0-11

1-5

1-10

2-8

2-9

2-9

2-9

2-9

2-9

2-10

 

bubba can claim three road victories in 11 years that would be considered “ok” wins?  But he did just say last week he will look into how they’re preparing !?  lol   Not sure why since he’s constantly getting extensions.  

 

Wow, when laid out like that, it really puts it into perspective how truly bad they have been on the road.  

[ND-fan]

Und road record vs. home record points to how team is prepared to play on the road. If team can beat top teams at home but turn around have terrible games on the road I believe it comes down to game plan and how much risk they are willing to do on the road. It has effect on players and their confidence in beating another team. This has been Bubba’s weakness he likes to play percentages and it is conservative he believes if keep things close you have chance to win. In baseball you never go for tie on the road to play extra innings you push to win it. Bubba is going need to change his basic philosphy and this after 40 years of coaching which he may try if he believes he is coming to end coaching career. South Dakota State had  Stieglmeier for 25 years very similar record  if would look his first ten years his record was worse but they too choose to stay with consistent coach that produced winning record or just above 500 to build a program.  This is what we’re trying to achieve too but not at the pace die hart fans want but maybe good enough for general fan wants and way UND has been winning general fan sees a team that wins at home and is fun to watch. Administration is happy attendance is good, program has well liked players and coaches, and they are one top 15 teams in their division. To achieve  what some are proposing,it requires more risk and more money if it goes south their jobs are in jeopardy.  I think since Bubba has been here we have made  improvements in program not all tied to win loss record of the program. Facilities have been upgraded, strength and conditioning has been advanced,  donor support seems to have improved, higher quality players and improved academics in team leading conference on that front, and finally community service by players. This is not a lot of what majority of posters want to hear but this is system that is here and unless you can create general consensus for change it is what we have. It also mirrors how North Dakota is as state and how it has been built.

[gundy1124]

Maybe discussed and I missed it.  Wasn't Seidl picked up and slammed to the ground, and injured?  Isn't that a penalty?  Anyone know or have the video?  Thanks!!

[ND-fan]

I wanted to add above that South Dakota State built there program with Steigelmeier to the program it has become but it took years to achieve that goal go look up his record you will see how long it took and they had very same discussion we’re having.

[UND1983]

9 minutes ago, ND-fan said:

I wanted to add above that South Dakota State built there program with Steigelmeier to the program it has become but it took years to achieve that goal go look up his record you will see how long it took and they had very same discussion we’re having.

They also had never had an ounce of success in their history and weren't playing in the same state as the perennial national champion. SDSU had very little expectations upon them until very recently.

[fightingsioux4life]

6 hours ago, ND-fan said:

Und road record vs. home record points to how team is prepared to play on the road. If team can beat top teams at home but turn around have terrible games on the road I believe it comes down to game plan and how much risk they are willing to do on the road. It has effect on players and their confidence in beating another team. This has been Bubba’s weakness he likes to play percentages and it is conservative he believes if keep things close you have chance to win. In baseball you never go for tie on the road to play extra innings you push to win it. Bubba is going need to change his basic philosphy and this after 40 years of coaching which he may try if he believes he is coming to end coaching career. South Dakota State had  Stieglmeier for 25 years very similar record  if would look his first ten years his record was worse but they too choose to stay with consistent coach that produced winning record or just above 500 to build a program.  This is what we’re trying to achieve too but not at the pace die hart fans want but maybe good enough for general fan wants and way UND has been winning general fan sees a team that wins at home and is fun to watch. Administration is happy attendance is good, program has well liked players and coaches, and they are one top 15 teams in their division. To achieve  what some are proposing,it requires more risk and more money if it goes south their jobs are in jeopardy.  I think since Bubba has been here we have made  improvements in program not all tied to win loss record of the program. Facilities have been upgraded, strength and conditioning has been advanced,  donor support seems to have improved, higher quality players and improved academics in team leading conference on that front, and finally community service by players. This is not a lot of what majority of posters want to hear but this is system that is here and unless you can create general consensus for change it is what we have. It also mirrors how North Dakota is as state and how it has been built.

Facilities have been upgraded and now the coaches can use that in recruiting, which should help land some better players and athletes. But for most of Bubba's tenure here, he hasn't had those upgrades. Strength and conditioning is also a very recent change. So it will be interesting to see what happens in the coming years on those fronts.

As for "....what a majority of posters want to hear", what we don't want to hear is that this is as good as it will ever get and we should just be satisfied with it. What about NDSU? They are in North Dakota. They are part of the NDUS (not a rich, private school). Why don't they "....mirror how North Dakota is as a state and how it has been built"? And please don't bring up the overwhelming power and wealth of "The Center of the Known Universe" (Fargo). If they are so big and powerful, NDSU would be FBS now. The fact they aren't tells you that Fargo is just another city in flyover country.

Our current problems are the result of Mussman's borderline criminal mismanagement of the program, leaving a mess Bubba had to clean up. The Division 2 and lower quality facilities were a huge problem for most of the past 15 years and it will take time for the new facilities to have a tangible impact on the field. Those are the main reasons for our chronic underachievement in FB.

The solution to these problems lies not in settling for mediocrity, but in raising standards and expectations and then giving the coaches the tools to rise up to meet those standards and expectations. Those tools are finally coming to fruition. Now we'll see if the coaches can take advantage of them. And success on the field does not mean sacrificing academic performance and community service. Those things are usually synonymous with each other, not mutually exclusive.

When a majority of posters read the bolded part above, it makes UND sound like a high school program where wins and losses are pretty much a non-factor. But this is FCS College Football, not Grand Forks Central or Red River. At some point, we need to move forward as a program or make changes.

[UNDTIM20]

23 hours ago, wheelsup said:

This game was not fun.. it sucked in person and when rewatching.

• Our defense.. uffdah.. zero pressure on bison QB's all day.  Closest thing to pressure was the Rucker almost sack at the end of the 2nd quarter where he totally whiffed on Cam. That could have changed the game we would have gotten the ball back and had the opportunity to score at the end of the quarter.. instead they convert and then get a FG.. We need game-changing plays like that.  The biggest disappointment of the bubba era has to be the defense.. A defensive minded head coach who cant put together a defense that can regularly hold decent teams under 30.  Thats bubba's biggest failure in my book.
• Two positions on the offense that I am amazed we dont have better options.. Romfo and .. both had turnovers in the 2nd half.. Demontenac has had turnovers and drops in every game although he did have one great catch this year.  Romfo's stats look respectable.. all of them were in the 4th quarter when the game was over.  HIs fumble on the first play of the 2nd half was terrible.  I was hoping that our 2nd half adjustment would be good and I still had hope... Too many unforced errors
• Ziebarth is a dude.. it looks like the injuries in RB position are starting to pile up.  Bye week is at a good time for the RB room.
• O-line played like they lost 4 starters for the first time this year.
• While I would never blame the refs for the whole gems the bison clearly got their moneys worth.  The two PI call in the first half were super weak.. there was significantly uncalled holding even the NDSU homer announcers commented on it multiple times.  My favorite non-call was on 3rd and 1 early in the 2nd half.. Pedigo fights through a terrible non-call hold/tackle from behind.. somehow makes the tackle and with a super generous spot the Bison somehow had a first down and that late hit call on rucker was absolute crap.. 
• If Romfo is the best QB in our QB room.. I cant imagine anyone wanting the other guys through the portal.  Why in the heck did romfo even play in the 4th quarter.  One of my biggest complaints is lack of development of depth in the QB room.  The game was basically over.. Romfo had done nothing in 3 quarters.. give the next guy a chance.  Lets see if he can do anything.  Tommy is getting more playing time at Michigan state than our backup QB's.. its totally depressing.  Anybody crapping on Feeney needs to get a grip.. who would want to be a backup QB at UND.. even when the starter sucks the backup never gets a chance.

I still have a lot of hope for this year.. Our schedule sets up decently for our team and Im hoping for the reverse of last year.  Last year we beat NDSU and then sucked the rest of the year... this year we lost to NDSU and Im hoping for a steady trend upwards.  Hopefully get healthy during the bye week and then kick some UNI butt.

If you’re gonna throw Demontenac in there I think Dennis is not any better. What has Dennis done to prove that he’s any better than Demontenac? Or that he deserves to be the #2 receiver on the depth chart? I think there’s some younger guys that could put perform Dennis and Demontenac.

[UND1983]

3 minutes ago, UNDTIM20 said:

If you’re gonna throw Demontenac in there I think Dennis is not any better. What has Dennis done to prove that he’s any better than Demontenac? Or that he deserves to be the #2 receiver on the depth chart? I think there’s some younger guys that could put perform Dennis and Demontenac.

Hard to argue that Demontagnac has dropped quite a few passes this season and hasn't done much really

[Kab]

Coach said he is going to give younger players more reps in practice and use up their 4 game limit

hopefully he finds a few players that crack the lineup 

[HoopsFan03]

3 minutes ago, Kab said:

Coach said he is going to give younger players more reps in practice and use up their 4 game limit

hopefully he finds a few players that crack the lineup 

Like maybe our NFL size, NFL athletic ability, & potential NFL talent WR..... Deng Deng

[zonadub]

Mussman was a better recruiter. Think Olivera, Santiago, Kenny Golliday. Even Braden Hanson. He just didn’t know what to do with them.

[zonadub]

Whatever became of Elijah Klein? He is still on the roster.

[HoopsFan03]

10 minutes ago, zonadub said:

Whatever became of Elijah Klein? He is still on the roster.

Medically retired

[wheelsup]

1 hour ago, UNDTIM20 said:

If you’re gonna throw Demontenac in there I think Dennis is not any better. What has Dennis done to prove that he’s any better than Demontenac? Or that he deserves to be the #2 receiver on the depth chart? I think there’s some younger guys that could put perform Dennis and Demontenac.

Biggest difference between Caden and demontenac is that Caden has taken some crazy hits and hung onto the ball.  Seems more sure handed to me.

[geaux_sioux]

3 hours ago, gundy1124 said:

Maybe discussed and I missed it.  Wasn't Seidl picked up and slammed to the ground, and injured?  Isn't that a penalty?  Anyone know or have the video?  Thanks!!

Saw that. Woulda been a good opportunity for someone to stand up for their teammate but that never happened.

[UND-FB-FAN]

12 minutes ago, wheelsup said:

Biggest difference between Caden and demontenac is that Caden has taken some crazy hits and hung onto the ball.  Seems more sure handed to me.

Caden had a drop in Fargo game on third down on a fake bubble vertical route on the sideline. Changed momentum in the game as would’ve been a 1st down in the red zone instead UND settled for field goal.