UND @ NDSU 10/5/24

[gfhockey]

Chaves on record said he’s going to sit back and take the philosophical approach 

[90siouxfan]

What was the TOP final stat?

[UND-FB-FAN]

8 hours ago, SiouxFan100 said:

Postgame

 

Nice guy, but you know what they say about nice guys (hint: they don’t finish first).

And about there not being a mental hurdle in Fargodome (his response to Tom Miller’s question), well, the response tells me all I need to know. It’s clearly there, and at this point it’s just being deflected. Mediocre expectations equal mediocre results. Players and coaches need to have their jobs on the line, but that is not the case due to an abundance of contentment here at UND with football. 

On to UNI.

[Oxbow6]

1 hour ago, 90siouxfan said:

What was the TOP final stat?

34:19 NDSU with 25 first downs

UND was 25:41 with 14 first downs

[shep]

7 hours ago, Irish said:

Why isn't there more pressure on Chaves to demand excellence in our programs?

This is a valid point. 

How many Conference or National Titles have happened on his watch. 

He's at fault here.

[Kab]

48 minutes ago, UND-FB-FAN said:

Nice guy, but you know what they say about nice guys (hint: they don’t finish first).

And about there not being a mental hurdle in Fargodome (his response to Tom Miller’s question), well, the response tells me all I need to know. It’s clearly there, and at this point it’s just being deflected. Mediocre expectations equal mediocre results. Players and coaches need to have their jobs on the line, but that is not the case due to an abundance of contentment here at UND with football. 

On to UNI.

But the 2nd choice for UND coach when bubba got the job lost a game yesterday too 

[Devils]

As some have mentioned, the game went as many had feared.  Couldn't match them physically at the line of scrimmage and our offense isn't dynamic enough to move the ball consistently against good teams.  A QB like Miller is going to pick you apart if he can just stand in pocket forever, and that's what happened.  Our offense feels like a HS offense a bit where the passing game is so inefficient and relies on hitting a random big play or two.  Going to be difficult against the better valley teams with that style.  We got ragdolled a lot out there on both sides of the ball.  Sure hope Smith isn't out long term.  

[gfhockey]

Whatever happend to all those game changers we have

[siouxweet]

I thought there would be more UND fans there.  Been a while since I have to one of these in Fargo but I remember UND fans filling up at least one full section if not more.  Maybe ticket allotments have changed. 

[MinnDak]

32 minutes ago, Devils said:

As some have mentioned, the game went as many had feared.  Couldn't match them physically at the line of scrimmage and our offense isn't dynamic enough to move the ball consistently against good teams.  A QB like Miller is going to pick you apart if he can just stand in pocket forever, and that's what happened.  Our offense feels like a HS offense a bit where the passing game is so inefficient and relies on hitting a random big play or two.  Going to be difficult against the better valley teams with that style.  We got ragdolled a lot out there on both sides of the ball.  Sure hope Smith isn't out long term.  

So I’m not the only one here that watched the game. Good. 

[GoodGood]

On 9/28/2024 at 6:38 PM, GoodGood said:

I think they put up 50

Held them under my prediction, sure didn't feel like it

[bincitysioux]

Not terribly surprised by the result, given the talent we have at the QB position, which at very best is only average for FCS.

Having said that, this game was lost by the defense IMO.  The offense actually settled in on that long drive when it was 14-0, and that is just what was needed at the time.  The D just couldn't answer the bell.

This archaic 3-4 scheme just can't get stops against modern offenses. It has been a very long time since UND has had a defense that excels, and I feel like it could be because they are essentially running the same scheme since 1992.

Our season sort of went downhill after the big win against NDSU last year.  I'm hopeful the opposite will be true after this loss.  Perhaps this will be a needed wakeup call after the mostly impressive performances against the "fluffy" part of the schedule prior to this game. 

[Sioux94]

4 hours ago, Devils said:

  Our offense feels like a HS offense a bit where the passing game is so inefficient and relies on hitting a random big play or two.  

This. But yet we are suppose to sit around and wait until our QB gets more games under his belt as a starter. I'd rather put Jerry in now, let him learn, he will take a few lumps yes....but I'd rather see the future who has a high ceiling....than already be at the rooftop of a one story house. 

Same goes for Kai....and probably Deng. 

[SIOUXFAN97]

4 hours ago, gfhockey said:

Whatever happend to all those game changers we have

on the bench

...c above post

[homer]

17 minutes ago, Sioux94 said:

This. But yet we are suppose to sit around and wait until our QB gets more games under his belt as a starter. I'd rather put Jerry in now, let him learn, he will take a few lumps yes....but I'd rather see the future who has a high ceiling....than already be at the rooftop of a one story house. 

Same goes for Kai....and probably Deng. 

I’m starting to align to this a bit.  NDSU safety’s had zero respect for a passing game yesterday and I’m not sure experience changes that.  

[HoopsFan03]

2 hours ago, Sioux94 said:

This. But yet we are suppose to sit around and wait until our QB gets more games under his belt as a starter. I'd rather put Jerry in now, let him learn, he will take a few lumps yes....but I'd rather see the future who has a high ceiling....than already be at the rooftop of a one story house. 

Same goes for Kai....and probably Deng. 

Finally someone gets it!!
 

He is not magically going to learn how to throw a football. Get Jerry in and let’s show some passing threat! 

[Kab]

Both QBs need playing time

jerry needs meaningful time or he will be gone after Xmas 

[90siouxfan]

39 minutes ago, HoopsFan03 said:

Finally someone gets it!!
 

He is not magically going to learn how to throw a football. Get Jerry in and let’s show some passing threat! 

it is a bit weird that he forgot how to throw a football from HS and fall camp....

[GoodGood]

13 minutes ago, Kab said:

Both QBs need playing time

jerry needs meaningful time or he will be gone after Xmas 

Would've been nice if we played 4 straight cupcakes at home so we could get both QBs some reps

[siouxweet]

On 9/29/2024 at 4:21 PM, siouxweet said:

Controlling the clock will not be a problem SUs defense is absolutely abysmal.   They can't stop anything and haven't all year.   Yesterday was an aberration.  They give up huge plays like giving out candy on Halloween.   The ONLY thing that will prevent us from winning is turnovers..

This obviously didn't age well.   Still not convinced SU has a good defense.  They look good when they play a team that has no QB.  UND does not have a QB.  Simon is a nice story but he is not a D1 QB.  He is a band aid to whatever UND wants to do next year at QB.

[fightingsioux4life]

What a horrible weekend for UND athletics. 

[SIOUXFAN97]

2 minutes ago, siouxweet said:

This obviously didn't age well.   Still not convinced SU has a good defense.  They look good when they play a team that has no QB.  UND does not have a QB.  Simon is a nice story but he is not a D1 QB.  He is a band aid to whatever UND wants to do next year at QB.

if simon is starting now...he'll be the starter next year too.......this is mind boggling.

[UND Football Fan]

4 hours ago, Sioux94 said:

This. But yet we are suppose to sit around and wait until our QB gets more games under his belt as a starter. I'd rather put Jerry in now, let him learn, he will take a few lumps yes....but I'd rather see the future who has a high ceiling....than already be at the rooftop of a one story house. 

Same goes for Kai....and probably Deng. 

Even Michigan State gave Tommy reps in a 21 point loss.

[Irish]

5 hours ago, bincitysioux said:

Not terribly surprised by the result, given the talent we have at the QB position, which at very best is only average for FCS.

Having said that, this game was lost by the defense IMO.  The offense actually settled in on that long drive when it was 14-0, and that is just what was needed at the time.  The D just couldn't answer the bell.

This archaic 3-4 scheme just can't get stops against modern offenses. It has been a very long time since UND has had a defense that excels, and I feel like it could be because they are essentially running the same scheme since 1992.

Our season sort of went downhill after the big win against NDSU last year.  I'm hopeful the opposite will be true after this loss.  Perhaps this will be a needed wakeup call after the mostly impressive performances against the "fluffy" part of the schedule prior to this game. 

But hey - If the Bison ever go back to the option we'll be ready

[UND-FB-FAN]

21 hours ago, bincitysioux said:

Not terribly surprised by the result, given the talent we have at the QB position, which at very best is only average for FCS.

Having said that, this game was lost by the defense IMO.  The offense actually settled in on that long drive when it was 14-0, and that is just what was needed at the time.  The D just couldn't answer the bell.

This archaic 3-4 scheme just can't get stops against modern offenses. It has been a very long time since UND has had a defense that excels, and I feel like it could be because they are essentially running the same scheme since 1992.

Our season sort of went downhill after the big win against NDSU last year.  I'm hopeful the opposite will be true after this loss.  Perhaps this will be a needed wakeup call after the mostly impressive performances against the "fluffy" part of the schedule prior to this game. 

You’re absolutely correct. As much criticism as our passing game currently gets, anyone who knows football clearly can see that the major issue at this point is the defense. With the NDSU game, after the first three possessions (1 for UND, 2 for NDSU), it was already 14-0. How is that on the offense? It’s not.

I completely agree that the defensive scheme is an issue, but it goes beyond that. The only defense that Bubba and his relatively inexperienced (and inbred) defensive staff know is what they’re running. As I said in a different post, if you want UND to change defensively, you need a coaching change with the new philosophy that comes with it. 
 

Speaking to other staffs, you’ll hear the on-the-field opinion quite quickly on UND defensively, and it’s not necessarily positive. I don’t expect anyone to take my word for it, but let the career moves of Jake Landry and Danny Freund do the talking then.