UND @ NDSU 10/5/24

[FSSD]

22 minutes ago, geaux_sioux said:

Saw that. Woulda been a good opportunity for someone to stand up for their teammate but that never happened.

I saw that also, I was suprised that this wasn't a penalty concidering he hit the ground head first.

[Kab]

Ndsu got away with a lot of choppy crap

I still  think the opening play should have been called dead around the 2 yard line

he touched and fumbled the ball and then knee down in the end zone 

[FSSD]

The coaches talked about five plays any thougths on the plays.  I can think of two:

1)  10 dropped pass on the sideline it was third down.  I think it was in the 2 Qtr.

2) 27 had a wide open run on the QB and missed.  I think they continued to move the ball for points on that drive.

3) And I think there was a missed post pattern that was wide open.

Not sure about the other plays.

[tnt]

17 hours ago, FSSD said:

I saw that also, I was suprised that this wasn't a penalty concidering he hit the ground head first.

Probably should have been because of how violent he was tossed, but in the same token was the discrepancy of strength allowing him to be tossed so easily an issue as well.  If he can be tossed like a rag doll like that in the process of tackling, is that a bigger symptom.   I agree the Bison player added more to that tackle than needed which should have probably drawn a flag.  Just by the looks of it, that would normally be a penalty. 

[NDRA]

17 hours ago, Kab said:

Ndsu got away with a lot of choppy crap

I still  think the opening play should have been called dead around the 2 yard line

he touched and fumbled the ball and then knee down in the end zone 

Went and watched the highlights.  His knee wasn't down when he picked up the ball, appeared to be down when he was fumbling before possession but not when he gained control.

[JohnboyND7]

On 10/7/2024 at 3:17 PM, Shawn-O said:

As an aside, this was my first time inside the Fargodome.  I was shocked at what a dump the place is. Any NDSU d-bag disparaging the Alerus needs their head examined.  Not sure what they’re going to do if they can’t get that vote to pass.  

Where do you live? Seems odd you've never been. 

It's better than the Alerus but the Alerus is better for Grand Forks. UND has no need for something that size. 

It's getting old now. No idea if it's worth trying to fix up or just start raising money for a newer place. 

[homer]

4 hours ago, tnt said:

Probably should have been because of how violent he was tossed, but in the same token was the discrepancy of strength allowing him to be tossed so easily an issue as well.  If he can be tossed like a rag doll like that in the process of tackling, is that a bigger symptom.   I agree the Bison player added more to that tackle than needed which should have probably drawn a flag.  Just by the looks of it, that would normally be a penalty. 

I thought it was fine.  
 

NDSU came in with a chip on their shoulder and was going to play physical.  They were going to push the envelope that day and I wish we would have matched that.  It was a difference in the game.  

[homer]

21 hours ago, FSSD said:

The coaches talked about five plays any thougths on the plays.  I can think of two:

1)  10 dropped pass on the sideline it was third down.  I think it was in the 2 Qtr.

2) 27 had a wide open run on the QB and missed.  I think they continued to move the ball for points on that drive.

3) And I think there was a missed post pattern that was wide open.

Not sure about the other plays.

Opening kickoff.  Generally a botched return leads to a tackle inside the 20.   We allowed them to return it to the 50, they blew up guys on our coverage team, and set the tone for the day. 

[geaux_sioux]

36 minutes ago, homer said:

I thought it was fine.  
 

NDSU came in with a chip on their shoulder and was going to play physical.  They were going to push the envelope that day and I wish we would have matched that.  It was a difference in the game.  

Body language told the tale of the game. They kicked our asses. They were aggressive from the opening whistle. They were the hammer, we were the nail.

[petey23]

23 hours ago, UND-FB-FAN said:

Caden had a drop in Fargo game on third down on a fake bubble vertical route on the sideline. Changed momentum in the game as would’ve been a 1st down in the red zone instead UND settled for field goal.  

3 plays that would or could have kept game interesting into the 4th quarter.

 

The Dennis drop was huge. We have the ball with fresh set of downs and can probably run out the clock and either get 3 or 7 and it is 21-10 or 21-14 at half, and get the ball to start the second half.

Results in kicking field goal to make it 10-21 with plenty of time left. We get NDSU behind the sticks and have a wide open shot to blow Miller up on 3rd down and we go for the high hit which he crouches under and scrambles and they pick up first down and finish drive with field goal. If we drill him right in the numbers there we can burn timeout before they punt and would have decent field position and 2 timeouts left to get another score before halftime.....and that is given the 25% chance that he hangs onto the ball on a hit like that.

Fumble to start second half.

[petey23]

9 hours ago, homer said:

I thought it was fine.  
 

NDSU came in with a chip on their shoulder and was going to play physical.  They were going to push the envelope that day and I wish we would have matched that.  It was a difference in the game.  

Yep. We had 3 guys get absolutley blown up on opening kickoff which should have been a wakeup call. Like they say, everyone has a plan until they get punched in the teeth.

[UND08]

On 10/8/2024 at 1:02 PM, UNDTIM20 said:

If you’re gonna throw Demontenac in there I think Dennis is not any better. What has Dennis done to prove that he’s any better than Demontenac? Or that he deserves to be the #2 receiver on the depth chart? I think there’s some younger guys that could put perform Dennis and Demontenac.

Outside of Belquist our wideouts are quite mediocre...it seems to me we always have 1-2 guys that the Herald/UNDFB360 pump up to no end...and then they're just absolute duds when the bright lights are on.  This year is no different.  If it wasn't for Belquist we'd be hosed.

Back in 2016 we had Wanzek/Toivenen/Santiago/Oliviera on the same team...outside of Belquist I don't think we have anyone at that talent level (Ziebarth is close but I'd take Oliviera over just about any back that's ever suited up for UND)...and Studsrud > Romfo...what wasted years with incompetent offensive coaching!

Also sidenote...does any one player ever take more of a beating in every ounce of contact he receives then Caden Dennis?!?  My god every time that guy is tackled he gets destroyed.  Maybe it has something to do with the fact that he still looks like a HS receiver...

[gfhockey]

1 hour ago, UND08 said:

Outside of Belquist our wideouts are quite mediocre...it seems to me we always have 1-2 guys that the Herald/UNDFB360 pump up to no end...and then they're just absolute duds when the bright lights are on.  This year is no different.  If it wasn't for Belquist we'd be hosed.

Back in 2016 we had Wanzek/Toivenen/Santiago/Oliviera on the same team...outside of Belquist I don't think we have anyone at that talent level (Ziebarth is close but I'd take Oliviera over just about any back that's ever suited up for UND)...and Studsrud > Romfo...what wasted years with incompetent coaching!

Also sidenote...does any one player ever take more of a beating in every ounce of contact he receives then Caden Dennis?!?  My god every time that guy is tackled he gets destroyed.  Maybe it has something to do with the fact that he still looks like a HS receiver...

Ok who ran offensive recruiting then since 2016

[iramurphy]

50 minutes ago, gfhockey said:

Ok who ran offensive recruiting then since 2016

Typically the staff will be assigned recruiting areas. The position coaches are involved with recruits that play their position. The staff communicate with HS coaches to get their input regarding potential recruits. They view film and when able will watch games in person. They develop their “board” listing recruits at potential positions and as they evaluate kids they tend to rank them in order.  The staff has input and often they may fight for kids they are convinced are guys who will play. 
Recruiting is a team effort by the entire staff. Usually OC,DC, and HC make the final decision on the recruits regardless of what position the kid plays or is projected to play. It’s a team effort. 

[wheelsup]

5 hours ago, petey23 said:

3 plays that would or could have kept game interesting into the 4th quarter.

 

The Dennis drop was huge. We have the ball with fresh set of downs and can probably run out the clock and either get 3 or 7 and it is 21-10 or 21-14 at half, and get the ball to start the second half.

Results in kicking field goal to make it 10-21 with plenty of time left. We get NDSU behind the sticks and have a wide open shot to blow Miller up on 3rd down and we go for the high hit which he crouches under and scrambles and they pick up first down and finish drive with field goal. If we drill him right in the numbers there we can burn timeout before they punt and would have decent field position and 2 timeouts left to get another score before halftime.....and that is given the 25% chance that he hangs onto the ball on a hit like that.

Fumble to start second half.

agree.. add in the terrible hold / bad spot on 3rd and 1 right shortly after romfos fumble.  We had some chances even in the 2nd half.. team needs to take advantage of them.

NDSU was more physical overall.. would have liked to see our team punch back. 

[wheelsup]

2 hours ago, UND08 said:

Outside of Belquist our wideouts are quite mediocre...it seems to me we always have 1-2 guys that the Herald/UNDFB360 pump up to no end...and then they're just absolute duds when the bright lights are on.  This year is no different.  If it wasn't for Belquist we'd be hosed.

Back in 2016 we had Wanzek/Toivenen/Santiago/Oliviera on the same team...outside of Belquist I don't think we have anyone at that talent level (Ziebarth is close but I'd take Oliviera over just about any back that's ever suited up for UND)...and Studsrud > Romfo...what wasted years with incompetent coaching!

Also sidenote...does any one player ever take more of a beating in every ounce of contact he receives then Caden Dennis?!?  My god every time that guy is tackled he gets destroyed.  Maybe it has something to do with the fact that he still looks like a HS receiver...

Manitobo moose is one of my favorites players in the last 15+ years easily.. Santiogo was great.. but the Moose was a dude!  2016-2018 were years of wasted talent.  Most disappointing team to me in the recent era though is prob 2021.  Should have been our first win against NDSU.. and with a competent kicking game we would have won 9 games.. a 5-6 team that easily could have been 9-2 and maybe 10-1.  That years team dreamed up ways to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory..  Ill never forget it.

[SiouxFan100]

Su had success stopping our run attack without stacking the box. Su offensive and defensive lines were better than ours. I don’t know if it is just because they are bigger and stronger or they just played better?

[Sioux94]

2 hours ago, SiouxFan100 said:

Su had success stopping our run attack without stacking the box. Su offensive and defensive lines were better than ours. I don’t know if it is just because they are bigger and stronger or they just played better?

Iowa St. supposedly had some dudes up front.....but they ran a 3-3-5 like I think the first four teams we played did, could have something with how well we ran the ball, we matched up better against that perhaps?   Might be tougher sledding running against other MVFC teams that have strong defense and run the 4-3. We'll see. 

[JohnboyND7]

3 hours ago, SiouxFan100 said:

Su had success stopping our run attack without stacking the box. Su offensive and defensive lines were better than ours. I don’t know if it is just because they are bigger and stronger or they just played better?

I'm not an expert by any means but I think line play is generally pretty consistent for most teams. 

I didn't get to catch the game sadly. Agreed to go see Wisconsin v. Purdue without checking the schedule beforehand. 

[homer]

11 hours ago, SiouxFan100 said:

Su had success stopping our run attack without stacking the box. Su offensive and defensive lines were better than ours. I don’t know if it is just because they are bigger and stronger or they just played better?

They didn’t stack the box but their secondary didn’t respect the pass game either.  They saw a hole open up and they were firing right away with zero disregard for getting beat.  It was very apparent at the dome.  They may as well have walked everyone down

[1972]

On 10/8/2024 at 3:16 PM, Kab said:

Ndsu got away with a lot of choppy crap

I still  think the opening play should have been called dead around the 2 yard line

he touched and fumbled the ball and then knee down in the end zone 

i said the same thing to my wife...was almost positive that ball was dead at the 2

[geaux_sioux]

44 minutes ago, homer said:

They didn’t stack the box but their secondary didn’t respect the pass game either.  They saw a hole open up and they were firing right away with zero disregard for getting beat.  It was very apparent at the dome.  They may as well have walked everyone down

Why’s that? Is it because our WRs are able to get open against good DBs? Surely this hasn’t been the case for 90% of our WRs under bubba.

[homer]

1 hour ago, geaux_sioux said:

Why’s that? Is it because our WRs are able to get open against good DBs? Surely this hasn’t been the case for 90% of our WRs under bubba.

Likely more so that the QB has shown struggles finding and completing passes.  Guys were open. 

[UND1983]

1 hour ago, geaux_sioux said:

Why’s that? Is it because our WRs are able to get open against good DBs? Surely this hasn’t been the case for 90% of our WRs under bubba.

Or we weren't or aren't willing to try so why worry about it

[ND-fan]

My previous post I never intended to mean we’re staying at mediocre  or status quo because I think Bubba has made great improvements in his tenure here as coach and contrary to number posters his teams are coached well just look at few penalties they have as team usually. When he has changed coaches there have been up grades. Like fighting Sioux 4 life said facility improvement will make difference in the future. My point is thetime line getting to championship level may be at different pace than a lot of the posters on this forum want.

Also I want to respond to comments on Fargo achieving their success ahead of UND. There have been number of things to make this happen.  First that Fargo went first to division I football and it was different time basically they were only competing for recruits in Minnesota, South Dakota State, and Wisconsin that were Division I and other major areas of country were not recruiting here. There competition was UofM, Wisconsin, and South Dakota State the two big 10 schools were not looking at kids that had great potential and South Dakota State was clearly second choice at that time. This great advantage in stock piling talent plus there success fed it even more on recruiting. Second Fargo puts way more money into football and has enough resources left to keep other program funded to compete. Now compare UND we have hockey that sucks up available resources and now only recently we have been putting more resources to football. This is not to mention other Und sports have not been funded like top teams in the conference so we are desperate need to find resources for these sports. This has also reflected in coaching salaries and  resources for athletes to play here. Even Fargo is now having difficulty gathering resources to maintain quality of players coming into there program. Second Fargo has come to realize our demographics and location doesn’t make us desirable prospect for large FBS conferences. To get to FBS level Dakota schools and Montana Schools  are going to have create FBS conference with  other teams of their conference liked the Montana schools and Iowa did  when they moved up toFCs  level back 40 some years ago.  The last factor is media is now controlled in Fargo and this made it much more difficult get media presence to large number people and recruits to grow the program.

The times have changed now in last four years to where the movement of teams and players changed FCs football where.top teams FcS football reside in valley and Big Sky conferences. The reason for this other power FCS schools have moved up to FBS level of football and traditional upper  Midwest teams remain locked into FCS football. This is same scenario, we had nearly 20 years ago in division II football. The problem is schools here are facing two big hurdles cost and distance to move another conference in FBS and second we don’t have demographics for tv to generate enough revenue to be wanted by other conferences. This has been scenario of anything in upper Midwest to get rest of the country to invest here. This why we need to build our own conference and build our own media outlet designed for the upper Midwest to fund this conference.  The local media people keep thinking Fargo can escape because of their success but this is not happening. These people need to start promoting what I have proposed this how we have come this far now because we had build it ourselves but it going to take all these universities and regions these schools represented to get behind this or we will have come full circle back to where we were 20 to 40 years ago.