GoHawks Posted February 16 Share Posted February 16 Quote from Chaves "The schools investment in football isn't hindered by UND's successful hockey program". 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post UND1983 Posted February 16 Popular Post Share Posted February 16 “Since I've been here, our nutrition is better. Our facilities will be better. Our game day experience is better. The turf is better. Mental health is better. All of that's better. Our salaries have been better. So now we just have to keep grinding, keep going.” Quick question Bill: why hasn't our record gotten better? 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CMSioux Posted February 16 Share Posted February 16 2 hours ago, UND-FB-FAN said: Another illustration of the “issues”: https://www.grandforksherald.com/sports/college/after-coaching-exits-herald-data-shows-unds-pay-for-top-football-coaches-lags-behind-league-peers?fbclid=IwAR0txqJDvRyfm3RKEWSmmw-WEQlyq7YQvxgganf7cyFb07eGnpODJJSKMVE_aem_ASiE8YUMaNUeSIQPxDTa-Jz88Dgr8ApXIZbNZxZkrExBdKPr0ARy8ROKXo-FC_wq0po So does this make it appear like the only reason our assistant coach's salaries are competition is because Bubba has been declining raises and passing the money down? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UND-FB-FAN Posted February 16 Share Posted February 16 1 hour ago, CMSioux said: So does this make it appear like the only reason our assistant coach's salaries are competition is because Bubba has been declining raises and passing the money down? Ridiculous proposition, although Chaves went with it, because as Tom Miller wrote in his article, Bubba won’t be here forever to save that ridiculous budgeting plan, if indeed true. The cold hard truth is football is not appropriately emphasized at UND. Money talks. If you also read Miller’s article, he makes perhaps the best point of all; it’s not what the head coach’s salary is that is correlated with success, but rather what the assistant coaches make that is in fact correlated with success. UND’s assistant coaches - namely coordinators - are not compensated like a championship program within the MVFC. SDSU and NDSU on the other hand… Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
homer Posted February 16 Share Posted February 16 After the facilities are complete Chaves certainly has work to do regarding salaries. Would be interesting to see how the recent new hires compare to what was replaced. I’d rather have the facilities first as that is what recruits care about but an argument could be made the other way I suppose to check the boxes in the article. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gundy1124 Posted February 16 Share Posted February 16 14 minutes ago, UND-FB-FAN said: Ridiculous proposition, although Chaves went with it, because as Tom Miller wrote in his article, Bubba won’t be here forever to save that ridiculous budgeting plan, if indeed true. The cold hard truth is UND football is not appropriately emphasized at UND. Money talks. If you also read Miller’s article, he makes perhaps the best point of all; it’s not what the head coach’s salary is that is correlated with success, but rather what the assistant coaches make that is in fact correlated with success. UND’s assistant coaches - namely coordinators - are not compensated like a championship program within the MVFC. SDSU and NDSU on the other hand… It's true, have heard this, and the numbers show it. As hard as some have been on Bubba, would all of you do the same?? Our coordinators are better paid than Bubba. The average of the top 3 HC's made $368,046. Bubba made 69.3% of this amount. The average of the top 3 OC's made $120,381. Danny made 86.4% of this amount. (If Bubba was at 86.4% like Danny, that would be another $63,000) The average of the top 3 DC's made $117,402. Joel made 75.3% of this amount. (not unreasonable for a 1st year DC) Is it a good long-term strategy to expect the HC to take less money AND pass all increases onto assistants?? Nope!! This is MVFC. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gfhockey Posted February 16 Share Posted February 16 Chaves said there have been discussions over time on giving Schweigert a raise, but the coach has declined in order to spread the money elsewhere. Schweigert has been head coach at UND since 2014. so we are looking at giving bubba a raise? Lol can’t make this stuff up 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
homer Posted February 16 Share Posted February 16 2 minutes ago, gfhockey said: Chaves said there have been discussions over time on giving Schweigert a raise, but the coach has declined in order to spread the money elsewhere. Schweigert has been head coach at UND since 2014. so we are looking at giving bubba a raise? Lol can’t make this stuff up There are coaches making more that have accomplished less. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iluvdebbies Posted February 16 Share Posted February 16 Just now, homer said: There are coaches making more that have accomplished less. ....and our coach would be making more if he had accomplished more. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
homer Posted February 16 Share Posted February 16 2 minutes ago, iluvdebbies said: ....and our coach would be making more if he had accomplished more. Or if he wanted to accept more and didn’t redirect it to his coaching staff. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iluvdebbies Posted February 16 Share Posted February 16 1 minute ago, homer said: Or if he wanted to accept more and didn’t redirect it to his coaching staff. If/when they start competing for conference championships and winning playoff games, all the coaches will be taken care of. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SooToo Posted February 16 Share Posted February 16 15 minutes ago, iluvdebbies said: If/when they start competing for conference championships and winning playoff games, all the coaches will be taken care of. You're planning a big donation? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
homer Posted February 16 Share Posted February 16 21 minutes ago, iluvdebbies said: If/when they start competing for conference championships and winning playoff games, all the coaches will be taken care of. Facilities are equally…….possibly more important in getting/retaining the athletes that can compete for conference championships. Tom should do a fancy table comparing facilities. I bet the same two schools would be at the top but UND is positioned to be much more favorable. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gfhockey Posted February 16 Share Posted February 16 29 minutes ago, homer said: Facilities are equally…….possibly more important in getting/retaining the athletes that can compete for conference championships. Tom should do a fancy table comparing facilities. I bet the same two schools would be at the top but UND is positioned to be much more favorable. Yeah and they get Sanford and Nodak mutual money all we got was 10 million from Altru which I am thankful for but I’m pretty sure Sanford pumps in a lot more too in the SU and SDSU plus NSU has Nodak insurance in their back pocket. What’s Nodak done for us, other than put their name on the ring which I see has been replaced with farmers Union 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UND-FB-FAN Posted February 16 Share Posted February 16 45 minutes ago, homer said: Facilities are equally…….possibly more important in getting/retaining the athletes that can compete for conference championships. Tom should do a fancy table comparing facilities. I bet the same two schools would be at the top but UND is positioned to be much more favorable. You’re joking, right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hawkster Posted February 16 Share Posted February 16 47 minutes ago, homer said: Facilities are equally…….possibly more important in getting/retaining the athletes that can compete for conference championships. Tom should do a fancy table comparing facilities. I bet the same two schools would be at the top but UND is positioned to be much more favorable. Whom are you comparing facilities with? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UND-FB-FAN Posted February 16 Share Posted February 16 1 hour ago, gundy1124 said: It's true, have heard this, and the numbers show it. As hard as some have been on Bubba, would all of you do the same?? Our coordinators are better paid than Bubba. The average of the top 3 HC's made $368,046. Bubba made 69.3% of this amount. The average of the top 3 OC's made $120,381. Danny made 86.4% of this amount. (If Bubba was at 86.4% like Danny, that would be another $63,000) The average of the top 3 DC's made $117,402. Joel made 75.3% of this amount. (not unreasonable for a 1st year DC) Is it a good long-term strategy to expect the HC to take less money AND pass all increases onto assistants?? Nope!! This is MVFC. Sure, Bubba has gave up some of his salary, but the assistant coaches pool is too low even with those “donations”. Needs to be raised, but you don’t give that elevation to the current guys; you make that elevation availabe upon an open competitive job search to attract the best. That is the simple solution, but yet, it’s not that simple. Need UND to want football to be better, first and foremost. That comes down to Chaves, Armacost, and more importantly, the major stakeholders. Put your money where your mouth is. You get what you pay for. Facilities are looking good, but you can’t recruit and retain high quality coaches without high end salaries. After all, we’re taking about Grand Forks, ND … Lastly, Bubba has had a good run, but the salary rises need to align with a change in coaching staff, not under the current regime. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FSSD Posted February 16 Share Posted February 16 To be honest, I have no problem with UND's approach - student focused first: 1) Facilities - Fritz (Indoor Practice Facility) - Open - Memorial I (Coaches Offices, Other areas) - Open Fall 2024 - Fritz II (Locker rooms, new outdoor track and outdoor field turf) - Open Fall 2024 2) Cost of attendance, Alstom ($1 million annually) - (starting spring of 24). 3) Then coaching salaries Next up coaching salaries. People need to remember SDSU and USD still have mortgages to pay for their facilities. If the North Dakota schools were able to use State Bonding for athletic facilities it would be helpful. So, you don't have an apples to apple comparison. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Siouxperman8 Posted February 16 Share Posted February 16 16 minutes ago, FSSD said: To be honest, I have no problem with UND's approach - student focused first: 1) Facilities - Fritz (Indoor Practice Facility) - Open - Memorial I (Coaches Offices, Other areas) - Open Fall 2024 - Fritz II (Locker rooms, new outdoor track and outdoor field turf) - Open Fall 2024 2) Cost of attendance, Alstom ($1 million annually) - (starting spring of 24). 3) Then coaching salaries Next up coaching salaries. People need to remember SDSU and USD still have mortgages to pay for their facilities. If the North Dakota schools were able to use State Bonding for athletic facilities it would be helpful. So, you don't have an apples to apple comparison. Imagine what the 52% of ticket sales ($642k in 2023) that go to REA could do for the program. There is already a line item where REA gets paid to manage and sell the tickets so I am not sure what the 52% is for. 2023 average attendance 10,288 x $20/ticket = $205,760/game in ticket revenue $205,760 x 6 home games = $1,234,560 ticket revenue in 2023 52% to REA = $642k Not certain of the $20 ticket price but even at 75% of that it would be a big number. Also not sure how much of that would go directly to the football program but some of it would. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goon Posted February 16 Share Posted February 16 On 2/12/2024 at 10:12 AM, fightingsioux4life said: They cannot do this AND keep it a secret. It's going to come out. Not in this town. That would've come out already. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
homer Posted February 16 Share Posted February 16 1 hour ago, UND-FB-FAN said: You’re joking, right? No I wasn’t joking. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FSSD Posted February 16 Share Posted February 16 36 minutes ago, Siouxperman8 said: Imagine what the 52% of ticket sales ($642k in 2023) that go to REA could do for the program. There is already a line item where REA gets paid to manage and sell the tickets so I am not sure what the 52% is for. 2023 average attendance 10,288 x $20/ticket = $205,760/game in ticket revenue $205,760 x 6 home games = $1,234,560 ticket revenue in 2023 52% to REA = $642k Not certain of the $20 ticket price but even at 75% of that it would be a big number. Also not sure how much of that would go directly to the football program but some of it would. The reality is that nobody on this message board can state exactly what the 52% is used for.. is that money exclusive to Hockey which many here assume. I don't know, but I think that is a silly notion. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FSSD Posted February 16 Share Posted February 16 34 minutes ago, homer said: No I wasn’t joking. I agree with you. UND will have some of the best facilities in the MVFC later this year. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UND08 Posted February 16 Share Posted February 16 1 hour ago, FSSD said: To be honest, I have no problem with UND's approach - student focused first: 1) Facilities - Fritz (Indoor Practice Facility) - Open - Memorial I (Coaches Offices, Other areas) - Open Fall 2024 - Fritz II (Locker rooms, new outdoor track and outdoor field turf) - Open Fall 2024 2) Cost of attendance, Alstom ($1 million annually) - (starting spring of 24). 3) Then coaching salaries Next up coaching salaries. People need to remember SDSU and USD still have mortgages to pay for their facilities. If the North Dakota schools were able to use State Bonding for athletic facilities it would be helpful. So, you don't have an apples to apple comparison. Ok...so now that we are supposedly the shining star of the MVFC in facilities and Alston awards...when do the increased expectations that come with those investments start to show up?!? Honest question...but we are slowly peeling away the excuses for why the program can't ascend to the next step. The defenders of the status quo will have fewer and fewer places to seek shelter...meanwhile NDSU and SDSU will be able to utilize their NIL collectives to plug holes in their lineups, retain players and attract portal entrants. I've been to SDSU...I've been to both Montana's...I've been to Fargo...I'm not so sure I would put us at the top of the arms race. We will definitely have closed the gap however, which is good! But if anything that makes 7-5 next year and in the years to come even less impressive in my book... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SiouxFan100 Posted February 16 Share Posted February 16 Does the REA get 52% of all ticket sales from all sports including basketball and football excluding hockey? Does the REA also get 100% of hockey ticket sales? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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