2024 UND Football

[CMSioux]

So if USD was where we are, or even less, about 3-4 years ago what did they do with their roster to build it up to a top five school in three years? I just took a quick look at their 2024 roster and it seems they have a good mix of their own recruits and some portal guys. Getting the QB dropdown from Minnesota was key, but It does seem like we bring in fewer portal guys every year - not sure if that is by design or if they are choosing to go elsewhere. I do see the value of building our own foundation, but USD seems to have found the right mix. I'm also confident that Vermillion does not have that much more to offer than Grand Forks. 

[GoodGood]

Remember when Wesley Eliodor transferred from USD thinking it would be an upgrade, instead they beat us and had a better year. We managed to get Wesley 20 catches for the year. Good times 

[Siouxperman8]

4 minutes ago, CMSioux said:

So if USD was where we are, or even less, about 3-4 years ago what did they do with their roster to build it up to a top five school in three years? I just took a quick look at their 2024 roster and it seems they have a good mix of their own recruits and some portal guys. Getting the QB dropdown from Minnesota was key, but It does seem like we bring in fewer portal guys every year - not sure if that is by design or if they are choosing to go elsewhere. I do see the value of building our own foundation, but USD seems to have found the right mix. I'm also confident that Vermillion does not have that much more to offer than Grand Forks. 

At QB they first got Streveler drop down from MN (a number years ago).  He was MVFC Off  POY in 2017 and runner up for Walter Payton award.  Now have Bowman from Iowa State.

We don't seem to get many FBS drop downs at all

[Dustin]

10 minutes ago, Siouxperman8 said:

We don't seem to get many FBS drop downs at all

Geography doing us no favors. The closest FBS school is 315 miles (Minnesota, obviously), then the next closest 3 are all over 500 miles away (Iowa State, Nebraska, Wisconsin).  Maybe the Blue Bombers having a run of recent success will increase the football talent pool in the Winnipeg area, where we'd have geography working on our side.

[Dustin]

1 minute ago, Dustin said:

Geography doing us no favors. The closest FBS school is 315 miles (Minnesota, obviously), then the next closest 3 are all over 500 miles away (Iowa State, Nebraska, Wisconsin).  Maybe the Blue Bombers having a run of recent success will increase the football talent pool in the Winnipeg area, where we'd have geography working on our side.

South Dakota (Vermillion) has the biggest advantage of the Dakota schools as far as proximity to FBS schools:

Nebraska (Lincoln) - 173 miles

Ames (Iowa State) - 220 miles

Minnesota (Minneapolis), Kansas (Lawrence), Kansas State (Manhattan), and Iowa (Iowa CIty) - all less than 350 miles

 

[Siouxperman8]

29 minutes ago, Dustin said:

Geography doing us no favors. The closest FBS school is 315 miles (Minnesota, obviously), then the next closest 3 are all over 500 miles away (Iowa State, Nebraska, Wisconsin).  Maybe the Blue Bombers having a run of recent success will increase the football talent pool in the Winnipeg area, where we'd have geography working on our side.

Makes sense.  Have heard a high major basketball coach talk about how difficult it can be to get talented kids to come to their school when they have to pass so many other schools to get there.  They said their choice is to either take marginally talented players or take risks on talented players who are more likely to fail school or get in trouble otherwise.

[UND1983]

1 hour ago, CMSioux said:

So if USD was where we are, or even less, about 3-4 years ago what did they do with their roster to build it up to a top five school in three years? I just took a quick look at their 2024 roster and it seems they have a good mix of their own recruits and some portal guys. Getting the QB dropdown from Minnesota was key, but It does seem like we bring in fewer portal guys every year - not sure if that is by design or if they are choosing to go elsewhere. I do see the value of building our own foundation, but USD seems to have found the right mix. I'm also confident that Vermillion does not have that much more to offer than Grand Forks. 

Great synopsis - wonder what the problem is at UND then?

[The Sicatoka]

1 hour ago, CMSioux said:

So if USD was where we are, or even less, about 3-4 years ago what did they do with their roster to build it up to a top five school in three years?

USD's HC brought in a key senior FB staffer from SDSU to learn from. 

If ya can't beat 'em, ... copy their blueprint. 

[sioux24/7]

1 hour ago, GoodGood said:

Remember when Wesley Eliodor transferred from USD thinking it would be an upgrade, instead they beat us and had a better year. We managed to get Wesley 20 catches for the year. Good times 

Yeah and then deleted any existence of his time at UND off his socials, at least instagram. I can’t find his account anymore so maybe he brought it back. 

[UND08]

7 hours ago, Oxbow6 said:

So if I'm reading this correctly this team by your estimation has 350 deficiencies and this team's QB play doesn't crack the top 40 in its deficiencies??

#greatstory

Well I might have taken a few liberties to make my point...haha!

That said...how many players have seen the field on defense this year?  How many coaches have been involved in the defensive gameplan?  How many support staff have assisted the defensive coaches in film sessions and what not?  That combined number might be close to 40!

[SiouxBoys]

53 minutes ago, sioux24/7 said:

Yeah and then deleted any existence of his time at UND off his socials, at least instagram. I can’t find his account anymore so maybe he brought it back. 

There's quite a bit more to this story than has been discussed on this site.

[90siouxfan]

The whole football decline started when ya'll stopped doing that "lookie like" thing on the opposing teams....  now the players are stuck with the shiddy griddy or as it's known at the nursing home, how to shake a turd down your pant leg.

 

Maybe a new Help Bubba....   I  hear good things about weighted blankets. 

[iramurphy]

4 minutes ago, 90siouxfan said:

The whole football decline started when ya'll stopped doing that "lookie like" thing on the opposing teams....  now the players are stuck with the shiddy griddy or as it's known at the nursing home, how to shake a turd down your pant leg.

 

Maybe a new Help Bubba....   I  hear good things about weighted blankets. 

No one shakes a turd  down their leg at the NH anymore. Everyone wears depends. 

[90siouxfan]

22 minutes ago, iramurphy said:

No one shakes a turd  down their leg at the NH anymore. Everyone wears depends. 

Bubba the trendsetter, or Bubba behind the times... again. Coin flip.

[MinnDak]

Almost everyone who left last year went FBS. McNaboe on a roll tonight for Ohio. Ventrelli in CFL. A couple quit football at the top of their game. Talent is not the problem. Is the talent all on the field and playing and being put in the best position? Is rushing 1 or 2 guys on defense a good strategy? Is being able to throw a football important at certain positions? McNaboe just had another tackle. 

[Oxbow6]

The UND FB 360 guys yesterday reviewed "the tight loss to South Dakota". What game were they watching? There's absolutely nothing tight about it. 

[shep]

39 minutes ago, Oxbow6 said:

The UND FB 360 guys yesterday reviewed "the tight loss to South Dakota". What game were they watching? There's absolutely nothing tight about it. 

But they also noted that UND's comeback came when the game was a 21 point deficit as though USD had pumped the brakes a bit.

 

[wheelsup]

I thought the 360 guys were on point this week.. all were clearly frustrated with the direction of the program.. Kelly was super vocal about it.  I’m looking forward to their year end wrap up

[F'n Hawks]

3 hours ago, wheelsup said:

I thought the 360 guys were on point this week.. all were clearly frustrated with the direction of the program.. Kelly was super vocal about it.  I’m looking forward to their year end wrap up

Kelly is so over it. The amount of times he said “I just want to win” was hilarious 

[1972]

On 11/19/2024 at 7:52 PM, Longtime fan said:

The best outcome would be if Und wouldn’t have to fire bubba …just transfer him over to the alumni center.  

i was told by a very reliable source that they tried to do this last year, and Bubba declined

[andtheHomeoftheSIOUX!!]

3 minutes ago, 1972 said:

i was told by a very reliable source that they tried to do this last year, and Bubba declined

How can that possibly be squared with the (apparently) subsequent decision to extend him?  It makes no sense.

[HoopsFan03]

2 hours ago, F'n Hawks said:

Kelly is so over it. The amount of times he said “I just want to win” was hilarious 

Imagine if Shannon was still on the pod…..

[90siouxfan]

11 minutes ago, HoopsFan03 said:

Imagine if Shannon was still on the pod…..

Is Shannon voicing his opinion anywhere these days? Maybe he is key to getting the program over this mess.

[Sioux94]

8 hours ago, HoopsFan03 said:

Imagine if Shannon was still on the pod…..

I miss Shannon on the podcast, but this would have been a rough year for him hearing all the talk about Bubba. 

[ND-fan]

Everyone is talking about losing players but I think greater loss could be in the coaching staff after the season. It’s my understanding there is large number of already coaching changes and will create number good openings for young coaches to move up in coaching ranks. We are also talking coaching change the loss of better coaches is probably going to happen. If this happens then these coaches leaving will have number of players to follow. We saw it with Freud number players either followed or went else where. Administration will need to address the future program with finish of the season.  This means if Bubba will be retained or if choose to retain Bubba then I believe keep coaching staff in place will require new defensive coordinator and probably several other defense coaches let go and new defensive coordinator ready to be put in place and real change philosophy on how we Play defense and real commitment to find players that will be of  caliber to play in Valley conference. A failure of this will be continue decline in the program. If administration tries to kick the can down the road we will just continue to be in bubble where everyone bitching and taking shots at the program. Administration finally take stand and put forth  plan and what is expected from the program.I think a lot of people here grade on win and losses but administration does grade on wins and loses but also other important measures like student GPA, community service, fund raising, alumni relations, program having little player problem in the community, and attendance at games compared to peer schools. This has to be established so everyone knows why things are done but then puts more pressure on administration because the public can voice their concerns and what changes can be made. I do think changes need to be made but problem we have here is administration has been kicking can down the road we have master facility plan but we don’t have master plan on direction of the programs in athletic department goals they expect to be achieved by program if we’re getting close or not meeting goals but this then gives public something to also measure administration.. 

Edited November 22, 2024 by ND-fan