HAWKS VS tigers (SATURDAY)

[MafiaMan]

6 hours ago, SiouxFanSince1990 said:

Just imagine getting to the Frozen Four with a save percentage below .900

Like has that even happened before?!?!

I don’t think you’ll need to worry about that happening this season.

[burd]

10 hours ago, Irish said:

Exactly this - no one is held to any standards anymore - I've been a fan since the early70's and have never seen a team regress like this one. 

Fair point.  I've also been an adult Sioux hockey fan since 1970 and have seen a lot of bad teams.   As far as unmet expectations, a lot of fans will remember those teams around '89-92--the Greg Johnson years.   They had some awesome offensive talent during that time (Johnson, D. Ward, R. Romaniuk, N. Eisenhut, et al.) and were rated #1 early in one of those years.  Still, they just never produced (that I recall).   Goaltending?  Overall bad defense?  Gino gone stale and ready for pasture?  Just the wrong combination of talent?  Some of the GF posters here will have a better idea than I, but I've thought about those teams from time to time this year.  

[petey23]

27 minutes ago, burd said:

Fair point.  I've also been an adult Sioux hockey fan since 1970 and have seen a lot of bad teams.   As far as unmet expectations, a lot of fans will remember those teams around '89-92--the Greg Johnson years.   They had some awesome offensive talent during that time (Johnson, D. Ward, R. Romaniuk, N. Eisenhut, et al.) and were rated #1 early in one of those years.  Still, they just never produced (that I recall).   Goaltending?  Overall bad defense?  Gino gone stale and ready for pasture?  Just the wrong combination of talent?  Some of the GF posters here will have a better idea than I, but I've thought about those teams from time to time this year.  

I was in school during the Hrkac Circus championship team.

The following season we had quite a bit of turnover as we lost several players early to Professional hockey. People forget that Hrkac, Joyce, Belfour, and Kidd all could have returned for the 87-88 season. The 86-87 team averaged 5.5 goals a game and gave up 2.6.

In 87-88 we were a .500 team going 21-20-1. Team scored 4.2 goals a game and gave up 3.7 goals and save percentage was under .895.

IN 88-89 we were 22-18-1 and scored 4 goals a game while giving up 3.3 a game. Jason Herter, Dixon Ward, Dane Jackson, abd Justin Duberman were all freshman on this team.

In 89-90 we were 28-13-4 and scored 5.6 goals a game(more than the Hrkac Circus) and allowed 3.8 a game and the goaltending was not good. Greg Johnson and Dave Hakstol arrived on campus this season.

In 90-91 we were 24-17-2 and scored 4.8 a game while giving up 3.9 a game. Lost Blais and Serratore as assistants and didn't really bring in any big recruits. Goaltending remained an issue with save percentage under .880 as we still have not replace Belfour 4 years later. Gino's dual role as athletic director has caught up with the program and the loss of great recruiters would set the tone for the final 3 years of the Gasparini era. I will say that Gasparini did hit some home runs in coaching hires for men's and women's basketball, baseball, and football during his tenure. We also lose Cary Eades as an assistant.

91-92 the slide really starts as we go 17-21-1 and scoring drops to 4.3 a game and we give up 4.9 a game and save percentage is under .880

92-93 is the bottoming out at 12-25-1 as scoring drops to 3.6 a game and our defensive numbers are n ot even posted on Hockey DB. 

93-94 is the rock bottom as we go 11-23-4 and scoring drops to 3.1 a game and we give up 4.3 a game. 

2 seasons for Blais to right the ship and we are back.

 

 

 

[MafiaMan]

Fall of 1991 Romaniuk and Herter left school to go pro right before the start of the season, leading to a disastrous campaign.  I wouldn’t blame Greg Johnson - he was a one-man gang. 

[Sweethockey]

17 minutes ago, petey23 said:

I was in school during the Hrkac Circus championship team.

The following season we had quite a bit of turnover as we lost several players early to Professional hockey. People forget that Hrkac, Joyce, Belfour, and Kidd all could have returned for the 87-88 season. The 86-87 team averaged 5.5 goals a game and gave up 2.6.

In 87-88 we were a .500 team going 21-20-1. Team scored 4.2 goals a game and gave up 3.7 goals and save percentage was under .895.

IN 88-89 we were 22-18-1 and scored 4 goals a game while giving up 3.3 a game. Jason Herter, Dixon Ward, Dane Jackson, abd Justin Duberman were all freshman on this team.

In 89-90 we were 28-13-4 and scored 5.6 goals a game(more than the Hrkac Circus) and allowed 3.8 a game and the goaltending was not good. Greg Johnson and Dave Hakstol arrived on campus this season.

In 90-91 we were 24-17-2 and scored 4.8 a game while giving up 3.9 a game. Lost Blais and Serratore as assistants and didn't really bring in any big recruits. Goaltending remained an issue with save percentage under .880 as we still have not replace Belfour 4 years later. Gino's dual role as athletic director has caught up with the program and the loss of great recruiters would set the tone for the final 3 years of the Gasparini era. I will say that Gasparini did hit some home runs in coaching hires for men's and women's basketball, baseball, and football during his tenure. We also lose Cary Eades as an assistant.

91-92 the slide really starts as we go 17-21-1 and scoring drops to 4.3 a game and we give up 4.9 a game and save percentage is under .880

92-93 is the bottoming out at 12-25-1 as scoring drops to 3.6 a game and our defensive numbers are n ot even posted on Hockey DB. 

93-94 is the rock bottom as we go 11-23-4 and scoring drops to 3.1 a game and we give up 4.3 a game. 

2 seasons for Blais to right the ship and we are back.

 

 

 

We could very well mirror what took place 30 years ago. 

[Siouxperman8]

16 hours ago, crb1 said:

I would say it was either Parks or Nick Jones. Good lord Porter was a long time ago. 

I knew Porter wasn't the most recent one to do it but it was a great to relive the memory of knocking goldy out of the NCAAs in OT with at wrap around goal.

[burd]

3 hours ago, MafiaMan said:

Fall of 1991 Romaniuk and Herter left school to go pro right before the start of the season, leading to a disastrous campaign.  I wouldn’t blame Greg Johnson - he was a one-man gang. 

He was--and a class act.

[burd]

5 hours ago, burd said:

He was--and a class act.

After posting that, I googled Greg, thinking I remembered he'd passed fairly recently.   I learned (again, probably) the circumstances of his death, and it was very saddening, as I recall him as a fine young man during his time at UND.   Puts things in perspective about this game and about life.  

[ChrisUND1]

9 hours ago, petey23 said:

I was in school during the Hrkac Circus championship team.

The following season we had quite a bit of turnover as we lost several players early to Professional hockey. People forget that Hrkac, Joyce, Belfour, and Kidd all could have returned for the 87-88 season. The 86-87 team averaged 5.5 goals a game and gave up 2.6.

In 87-88 we were a .500 team going 21-20-1. Team scored 4.2 goals a game and gave up 3.7 goals and save percentage was under .895.

IN 88-89 we were 22-18-1 and scored 4 goals a game while giving up 3.3 a game. Jason Herter, Dixon Ward, Dane Jackson, abd Justin Duberman were all freshman on this team.

In 89-90 we were 28-13-4 and scored 5.6 goals a game(more than the Hrkac Circus) and allowed 3.8 a game and the goaltending was not good. Greg Johnson and Dave Hakstol arrived on campus this season.

In 90-91 we were 24-17-2 and scored 4.8 a game while giving up 3.9 a game. Lost Blais and Serratore as assistants and didn't really bring in any big recruits. Goaltending remained an issue with save percentage under .880 as we still have not replace Belfour 4 years later. Gino's dual role as athletic director has caught up with the program and the loss of great recruiters would set the tone for the final 3 years of the Gasparini era. I will say that Gasparini did hit some home runs in coaching hires for men's and women's basketball, baseball, and football during his tenure. We also lose Cary Eades as an assistant.

91-92 the slide really starts as we go 17-21-1 and scoring drops to 4.3 a game and we give up 4.9 a game and save percentage is under .880

92-93 is the bottoming out at 12-25-1 as scoring drops to 3.6 a game and our defensive numbers are n ot even posted on Hockey DB. 

93-94 is the rock bottom as we go 11-23-4 and scoring drops to 3.1 a game and we give up 4.3 a game. 

2 seasons for Blais to right the ship and we are back.

 

 

 

This is a great walk down memory lane.  I was pretty young during these years but was a hardcore fan.  

[MafiaMan]

2 hours ago, burd said:

After posting that, I googled Greg, thinking I remembered he'd passed fairly recently.   I learned (again, probably) the circumstances of his death, and it was very saddening, as I recall him as a fine young man during his time at UND.   Puts things in perspective about this game and about life.  

Still doesn’t make any sense.  

[cberkas]

On 2/25/2023 at 8:43 PM, MafiaMan said:

But it increases goal scoring chances in OT.  Plus there’s the added bonus of seeing Ovechkin break Gretzky’s record with 2 fewer men on the ice than when #99 set it in the first place

The NHL should listen to their starts like McDavid and just do 5x5 OT for 10 minutes and no shootout. 

[Blackheart]

1 hour ago, cberkas said:

The NHL should listen to their starts like McDavid and just do 5x5 OT for 10 minutes and no shootout. 

Yeah, but then you’re not guaranteed a “winner”.  How are the fans supposed to deal with that.

[Kevin G]

12 hours ago, cberkas said:

The NHL should listen to their starts like McDavid and just do 5x5 OT for 10 minutes and no shootout. 

Please, this. 

[The Sicatoka]

I like McDavid's 5x5 for 10 notion.

If you're going to keep playing a different game (3x3) and then another different game (shootout), devalue them in comparison to a regulation win.

Go to a "5 point" systems (scroll down):
5 – Win in regulation time
4 – Win in overtime
3 – Win in a shootout
2 – Lose a shootout
1 – Lose in overtime
0 – Lose in regulation time

[SIOUXFAN97]

8 minutes ago, The Sicatoka said:

I like McDavid's 5x5 for 10 notion.

If you're going to keep playing a different game (3x3) and then another different game (shootout), devalue them in comparison to a regulation win.

Go to a "5 point" systems (scroll down):
5 – Win in regulation time
4 – Win in overtime
3 – Win in a shootout
2 – Lose a shootout
1 – Lose in overtime
0 – Lose in regulation time

love that above scoring....easy to follow and makes sense

[BusinessSiouxt]

12 hours ago, Blackheart said:

Yeah, but then you’re not guaranteed a “winner”.  How are the fans supposed to deal with that.

---- 'em.

[fightingsioux4life]

4 minutes ago, SiouxFanSince1990 said:

3x3 for ten minutes. Winner gets three points. Loser gets one, and a tie is zero. Giving teams points for tying doesn’t make any sense. Reward the winner, and give the other team a consolation. Can’t be having Miami finish the year with zero points…

4x4 for 10 minutes. If no winner, then it goes down as a tie. Go back to the 2 points per game system. And no more abominable shootouts!

[BusinessSiouxt]

5 hours ago, SiouxFanSince1990 said:

3x3 for ten minutes. Winner gets three points. Loser gets one, and a tie is zero. Giving teams points for tying doesn’t make any sense. Reward the winner, and give the other team a consolation. Can’t be having Miami finish the year with zero points…

Let's go back to 5x5, 10 minutes.

Win=2 pts

Tie=1 point each (if the favorite has to win by playing a pick up game then they don't deserve it)

Loss=0 points.

 

I don't know why it changed from 2 pts for a win to 3, but it's just stupid. The NHL was this way for DECADES. Why the change? Who the heck knows...

[MafiaMan]

9 hours ago, The Sicatoka said:

I like McDavid's 5x5 for 10 notion.

2- Win in regulation time
1 – Win in overtime
0-  Lose in overtime
0 – Lose in regulation time

Losers try their best.  Winners get Sunday morning mimosas and another treat.  

[Goon]

10 hours ago, The Sicatoka said:

I like McDavid's 5x5 for 10 notion.

If you're going to keep playing a different game (3x3) and then another different game (shootout), devalue them in comparison to a regulation win.

Go to a "5 point" systems (scroll down):
5 – Win in regulation time
4 – Win in overtime
3 – Win in a shootout
2 – Lose a shootout
1 – Lose in overtime
0 – Lose in regulation time

You should propose this to the NCHC Commish. I don’t see it getting approved. I would rather line to see a 10 minute 3-on-3 OT and kill the shootout. Maybe keep a win in OT a 3 pointer, and in a point for a  OT loss. 

[90siouxfan]

Perhaps a game of pom pom pole away to end the evening.   Mites enjoy it.

[burd]

6 hours ago, 90siouxfan said:

Perhaps a game of pom pom pole away to end the evening.   Mites enjoy it.

Now that's a mitey good solution.  

 

[The Sicatoka]

8 hours ago, Goon said:

You should propose this to the NCHC Commish. 

It's been out on that (linked) website for nearly a decade and nothin'. 

But I will admit that Steve Kouleas* learned about it recently.   

 

*Yeah, Koul and the Gang on NHL on SiriusXM  

[siouxfaninseattle]

4 hours ago, burd said:

Now that's a mitey good solution.  

 

Groan....Although I will admit that was fun at Elks Park back in the day.

[fightingsioux4life]

53 minutes ago, SiouxFanSince1990 said:

I just realize what I said, doesn’t make any sense. I’ll see myself out…

That's okay. These rules are so complicated and convoluted, the average person cannot hope to understand them. That is why we need to simplify them.