2024 Recruiting

[AJS]

Feeling good about this one. Joel’s been liking all his tweets.

[forksandspoons]

4 minutes ago, AJS said:

Feeling good about this one. Joel’s been liking all his tweets.

Doesn’t seem like he wants to be at UND if his recruitment is still open but hope I’m wrong 

[sioux24/7]

8 hours ago, forksandspoons said:

Doesn’t seem like he wants to be at UND if his recruitment is still open but hope I’m wrong 

Because he didn’t commit instantly?

[forksandspoons]

1 hour ago, sioux24/7 said:

Because he didn’t commit instantly?

“Recruitment still open” 

[UND-FB-FAN]

4 hours ago, Hawks_UND said:

For some reason we are offering average division 3 players with no D1 offers to try to improve our defense. Coaches getting worried they can’t get anyone? Recruiting is already bad enough because they only recruit the same 5 states. On top of this we need top level fcs with some fbs talent to make up for Joel’s inexperience and lack of football and coaching knowledge. Unfortunately, as long as he is the coordinator the defense will always struggle. 

There will likely be *changes* after 2024..

I think we’re in for a rough year in 2024, since it was inexplicably felt that extending an average coach after a losing season (2021) would somehow work out …

[ND1]

5 hours ago, Hawks_UND said:

For some reason we are offering average division 3 players with no D1 offers to try to improve our defense. Coaches getting worried they can’t get anyone? Recruiting is already bad enough because they only recruit the same 5 states. On top of this we need top level fcs with some fbs talent to make up for Joel’s inexperience and lack of football and coaching knowledge. Unfortunately, as long as he is the coordinator the defense will always struggle. 

Their more than average, they have been labeled as raw and unproven with high potential

[Mama Sue]

51 minutes ago, ND1 said:

Their more than average, they have been labeled as raw and unproven with high potential

In theater this is a Diamond in the rough….someone new in town who has never been in the local theater with minimal experience. A good coach can see the potential and make them productive players.

[UND-FB-FAN]

1 hour ago, Mama Sue said:

A good coach can see the potential and make them productive players.

Correct. They also have a track record of doing it so others want to join that coach. Recruiting is important, and good coaches are good at this, partly because their track record speaks for itself.
 

Are we at that point? Of course not. After 10 years, our current staff is seen from the outside as average at best, and unable to get out of their own way when opportunity presents itself to take the next step.
 

One step forward (beat NDSU), one step back (shut out the next week). One step forward (make playoffs), one step back (lose at home after uproar about not hosting home playoff game the previous season).   One step forward (seeded playoff team in 2016), one step back (lose at home right away in 2016 when seeded, follow it up in 2017 with losing season). One step forward (MVFC champs in pandemic year), one step back (losing season in 2021, the next season).

So many examples of why this staff epitomizes mediocrity.

Back to your original point; a good coach can identify potential and enhance it. That is also what good teachers do. The football “teachers” at UND aren’t finding and developing enough diamonds in the rough. Consistency is lacking. 

 

[homer]

49 minutes ago, UND-FB-FAN said:

Correct. They also have a track record of doing it so others want to join that coach. Recruiting is important, and good coaches are good at this, partly because their track record speaks for itself.
 

Are we at that point? Of course not. After 10 years, our current staff is seen from the outside as average at best, and unable to get out of their own way when opportunity presents itself to take the next step.
 

One step forward (beat NDSU), one step back (shut out the next week). One step forward (make playoffs), one step back (lose at home after uproar about not hosting home playoff game the previous season).   One step forward (seeded playoff team in 2016), one step back (lose at home right away in 2016 when seeded, follow it up in 2017 with losing season). One step forward (MVFC champs in pandemic year), one step back (losing season in 2021, the next season).

So many examples of why this staff epitomizes mediocrity.

Back to your original point; a good coach can identify potential and enhance it. That is also what good teachers do. The football “teachers” at UND aren’t finding and developing enough diamonds in the rough. Consistency is lacking. 

 

So coaches can’t recruit or develop talent?  

[jdub27]

10 minutes ago, homer said:

So coaches can’t recruit or develop talent?  

Amazing they are one of the few teams that have made the playoffs 4 of the last 5 years. 

[HoopsFan03]

19 minutes ago, jdub27 said:

Amazing they are one of the few teams that have made the playoffs 4 of the last 5 years. 

How many wins has that resulted in?

[GoodGood]

13 minutes ago, HoopsFan03 said:

How many wins has that resulted in?

We use Massey ratings, not playoff wins to judge success 

[UND-FB-FAN]

35 minutes ago, jdub27 said:

Amazing they are one of the few teams that have made the playoffs 4 of the last 5 years. 

All that matters. Shut ‘er down when you get there. Staff don’t like the spotlight. Bad attribute to have … 

[UND-FB-FAN]

1 hour ago, homer said:

So coaches can’t recruit or develop talent?  

It’s all relative in sports and competition. 

[jdub27]

3 hours ago, UND-FB-FAN said:

All that matters. Shut ‘er down when you get there. Staff don’t like the spotlight. Bad attribute to have … 

No one said that or even implied it. And the team, staff and fans all agree that it needs to go beyond just getting there. 

However below average or average staffs aren't accomplishing that, particularly ones that apparently can't recruit or develop players. Especially in the toughest conference in the subdivision. 

[SiouxFan100]

Sounds like we all are content how we have performed these last ten years 

A little surprising 

[UND-FB-FAN]

7 hours ago, SiouxFan100 said:

Sounds like we all are content how we have performed these last ten years 

A little surprising 

Difference between good and great. Look just to the south. NDSU - and now also SDSU - desire greatness at this level of football. UND (including its fans, supporters, and administration) is content with good. Expectations matter. 

[Oxbow6]

12 hours ago, jdub27 said:

Amazing they are one of the few teams that have made the playoffs 4 of the last 5 years. 

 

[CMSioux]

FCS Fans Nation tweeted that UND was #13 in recruiting for 2024. I know that means nothing. I know that they also ranked NDSU as #1. I just find it interesting that they obviously have higher opinions of our recruiting than a few of the fans on this site.

[zonadub]

1 hour ago, CMSioux said:

FCS Fans Nation tweeted that UND was #13 in recruiting for 2024. I know that means nothing. I know that they also ranked NDSU as #1. I just find it interesting that they obviously have higher opinions of our recruiting than a few of the fans on this site.

Now develop those recruits into top FCS talent.

[SiouxFan100]

Develop into NFL players 

[Goon]

57 minutes ago, zonadub said:

Now develop those recruits into top FCS talent.

And get past the first-round of the FCS playoffs. We shouldn't be satisfied with just making the FCS playoffs. We should aspire to play in December and possibly January. 

[Siouxperman8]

1 hour ago, Goon said:

And get past the first-round of the FCS playoffs. We shouldn't be satisfied with just making the FCS playoffs. We should aspire to play in December and possibly January. 

Who is satisfied with that?  Everyone on here aspires for the team to be playing in December and possibly January.  

Most of us just don't feel the need to repeat that multiple times each day.  

[HoopsFan03]

17 minutes ago, Siouxperman8 said:

Who is satisfied with that?  Everyone on here aspires for the team to be playing in December and possibly January.  

Most of us just don't feel the need to repeat that multiple times each day.  

Did you not read Dabo’s post?? 

[SiouxBoys]

59 minutes ago, Siouxperman8 said:

Who is satisfied with that?  Everyone on here aspires for the team to be playing in December and possibly January.  

Most of us just don't feel the need to repeat that multiple times each day.  

Nobody is satisfied with it. Certain people on here are just arguing with the voices in their head.