The Sicatoka Posted April 14, 2022 Share Posted April 14, 2022 Season Team GP G A Pts PIM +/- 2020-21 U.S. National Development Team 20 2 2 4 8 -8 2021-22 U.S. National Development Team 26 10 6 16 10 5 https://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php?pid=238292 That's #12 on that team. That screaming "ready for the NCHC" to anyone? A year in the USHL (for a currently 17 year old) was a prudent request. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlphaMikeFoxtrot Posted April 14, 2022 Share Posted April 14, 2022 This is the same reaction this forum had for Donovan. Sucks to lose a local kid, but I don't see him above any of the others being brought in. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stoneySIOUX Posted April 14, 2022 Share Posted April 14, 2022 4 minutes ago, TheFlop said: For those ripping on Spicers slow start in the USHL......this season as a 17 year old his PPG rate is higher than Senden's was as a 20 year old in the USHL......and Senden's PPG rate has basically stayed the same through college. UND is gonna regret this one. Spicer is exactly the type of high end potential they need.....not a team full of grinders. So, Spicer was going to be undrafted and play a third line role in his UND career? No. Sendo spent four years here enough to earn a chance to come back and was offered it. If you want to make that comp to someone else, that's fine, that one feels silly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
siouxweet Posted April 14, 2022 Share Posted April 14, 2022 Someone said on here he turns 18 in June. Really young kid. Outside of Toews who turned 18 when he got here who made an impact at that young of age? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisUND1 Posted April 14, 2022 Share Posted April 14, 2022 13 minutes ago, gfhockey said: Did you trust Berry on the rizzo and morrow decision What decision was that? They didn't come to UND. Was Berry the reason? You lose recruits, especially these days. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFlop Posted April 14, 2022 Share Posted April 14, 2022 4 minutes ago, The Sicatoka said: Season Team GP G A Pts PIM +/- 2020-21 U.S. National Development Team 20 2 2 4 8 -8 2021-22 U.S. National Development Team 26 10 6 16 10 5 https://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php?pid=238292 That's #12 on that team. That screaming "ready for the NCHC" to anyone? A year in the USHL (for a currently 17 year old) was a prudent request. It's a little misleading given that it's basically an all star team he's playing on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilbur Posted April 14, 2022 Share Posted April 14, 2022 I'm in the boat of you bring the kid in. Had some injury issues at NTDP, but is on a team littered in fabulous talented. Get Budy to the transfer portal, and send Montgomery back to the USHL for a year. Being a North Dakota kid I hope for the best for him. Hopefully he has a nice career somewhere, but not against us. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stoneySIOUX Posted April 14, 2022 Share Posted April 14, 2022 15 minutes ago, gfhockey said: I’d rather have 3-4 years of spicer then one more year if senden or hain! What if UND wins a natty this year? #SimpleQuestions 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tnt Posted April 14, 2022 Share Posted April 14, 2022 2 minutes ago, AlphaMikeFoxtrot said: This is the same reaction this forum had for Donovan. Sucks to lose a local kid, but I don't see him above any of the others being brought in. Do you see him above Albrecht, Montgomery, Budy? Sometimes you need to make tough decisions in order to keep potential talent around. He might not be ready, but if he had to sit like some of those guys did, so be it. Would rather keep the higher ceiling guys around. After all, we brought in Brent Johnson over Morrow, and one could see early he wasn’t physically ready for the college game, but we have someone with good potential going forward. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFlop Posted April 14, 2022 Share Posted April 14, 2022 2 minutes ago, stoneySIOUX said: So, Spicer was going to be undrafted and play a third line role in his UND career? No. Sendo spent four years here enough to earn a chance to come back and was offered it. If you want to make that comp to someone else, that's fine, that one feels silly. Ideally I think most would agree that Spicer would benefit from another year in the USHL. However, this team needs a couple high enders (at least with high end potential) to come in. There are no guarantees so out of every 2-3 high level recruits you get, it's possible only one becomes a star. When you stop bringing in the high enders, you don't even give yourself a chance of getting that star. UND's lack of high end offensive talent was on full display the last two games of the season.....when it mattered most. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post siouxweet Posted April 14, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted April 14, 2022 5 minutes ago, ChrisUND1 said: What decision was that? They didn't come to UND. Was Berry the reason? You lose recruits, especially these days. The kid is 17 right now and the coaches think a year of juniors would benefit him. If he doesn't like it so be it. The kid doesn't run the show and is not bigger than the program. Best of luck to him. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFlop Posted April 14, 2022 Share Posted April 14, 2022 So can anyone here with a straight face say Montgomery > Spicer? C'mon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJS Posted April 14, 2022 Share Posted April 14, 2022 19 minutes ago, stoneySIOUX said: I'm on board with this, for sure. 17 minutes ago, The Sicatoka said: If I get to answer: Budy finds a portal home (as does Calder). Bring in McLaughlin, Blake, James, and Strinden. Run with 16F this year because of the Hain's untested injury in game situations. To go a little more in-depth. For starters, you need to address Senden / Hain staying. That would be in the form of Calder and Budy heading to the portal. Think of it as a two Senior for two Senior swap. This ends up as a net gain for the Senior class. Where I differ from @The Sicatoka is I would like to see one other depth forward enter the portal. That would give a clean Four for Four with the incoming Freshman. That would also if you're worried about Hain's injury, give you the option to Portal for a 16th forward. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Sicatoka Posted April 14, 2022 Share Posted April 14, 2022 2 minutes ago, AJS said: Where I differ from @The Sicatoka is I would like to see one other depth forward enter the portal. That would give a clean Four for Four with the incoming Freshman. That would also if you're worried about Hain's injury, give you the option to Portal for a 16th forward. I've pondered Montgomery doing a "Quinn Fylling" and going back to the USHL for a season. Now find my portal forward* to come in as my insurance policy on Hain's injury. *I had dreams of Luke Sillinger; he had dreams of ASU coeds I guess. < shrug > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tnt Posted April 14, 2022 Share Posted April 14, 2022 I guess we will see how the rest of the roster shakes out, but I guess if you are going to lose potential talent I wouldn’t mind bringing in someone from the portal who has proven themselves in college already. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oxbow6 Posted April 14, 2022 Share Posted April 14, 2022 The only way this works is both Senden and Hain have to put up 20-25 points next season. Short term gratification........ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Siouxperman8 Posted April 14, 2022 Share Posted April 14, 2022 7 minutes ago, TheFlop said: So can anyone here with a straight face say Montgomery > Spicer? C'mon Spicer last season - 26 games, 16 points Montgomery USHL final season - 28 games, 23 points Can we at least give Montgomery more than 16 games with very limited shifts at UND before people make a decision on him? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChadR Posted April 14, 2022 Share Posted April 14, 2022 4 minutes ago, The Sicatoka said: I've pondered Montgomery doing a "Quinn Fylling" and going back to the USHL for a season. Now find my portal forward* to come in as my insurance policy on Hain's injury. *I had dreams of Luke Sillinger; he had dreams of ASU coeds I guess. < shrug > Sillinger was not well liked by anyone in Bemidji. And not a great teammate either. We dodged that bullet. There's a reason he picked a team that is not in a conference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nodakgirl93 Posted April 14, 2022 Share Posted April 14, 2022 32 minutes ago, gfhockey said: I’d rather have 3-4 years of spicer then one more year if senden or hain! I'd trade budy for Spicer easily. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJS Posted April 14, 2022 Share Posted April 14, 2022 1 minute ago, Oxbow6 said: The only way this works is both Senden and Hain have to put up 20-25 points next season. Short term gratification........ Like I mentioned, IF you see Budy enter the portal and you look at it from the standpoint of Senden or Hain as 5th years or Calder / Budy (Seniors) then you have upgraded your Senior class without disturbing the numbers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stoneySIOUX Posted April 14, 2022 Share Posted April 14, 2022 16 minutes ago, TheFlop said: Ideally I think most would agree that Spicer would benefit from another year in the USHL. However, this team needs a couple high enders (at least with high end potential) to come in. There are no guarantees so out of every 2-3 high level recruits you get, it's possible only one becomes a star. When you stop bringing in the high enders, you don't even give yourself a chance of getting that star. UND's lack of high end offensive talent was on full display the last two games of the season.....when it mattered most. This is all completely fair. I just think our current class is a little packed up. They knew the kid needed a scholarship and based on the players coming in, he didn't have one this season. UND made the decision of one more year of Hain/Sendo for a run at a title over Spicer, who COULD end up being good, or could end up being Ryder Donavan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scpa0305 Posted April 14, 2022 Share Posted April 14, 2022 1 hour ago, brianvf said: Agreed. Also agree with the take that Spicer might be panicking a bit…he would very much benefit from a year in the USHL and be able to contribute right away next season. Instead he’ll get bottom 6 minutes on a different team. This feels like the Donovan situation all over again. Obviously playing in the ushl wouldn’t hurt him, it’s a nasty league. I think it has more to do about communication. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scpa0305 Posted April 14, 2022 Share Posted April 14, 2022 39 minutes ago, stoneySIOUX said: He would have been in a suit for his first season. Looks at this guy go…funny stuff Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scpa0305 Posted April 14, 2022 Share Posted April 14, 2022 31 minutes ago, AlphaMikeFoxtrot said: This is the same reaction this forum had for Donovan. Sucks to lose a local kid, but I don't see him above any of the others being brought in. Please look at Donovan’s ushl stats (and age of when he put the numbers up). You argument/comparison makes zero sense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
siouxfaninseattle Posted April 14, 2022 Share Posted April 14, 2022 I think this situation happens when they decided to ask Hain and Sneden to come back. Much as I like them both, and they certainly fit the UND culture, neither are great at putting the puck in the net. And the team needs scorers. Certainly Spicer was not likely to be a top player right away but the upside looks strong. I don't like keeping a fifth year guy around, or bringing in a one year guy from the portal, when you risk losing a potential 3 year top 6 guy. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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