2022-2023 Season

[ND-fan]

I didn’t watch last nights game but looking at the box score where we lost the game was they had 22 off turnovers and we had  4 for difference of 18 points. I would say we need to protect the ball better and watching this team this year this has been big problem Turing over the ball and allowing other team to score off those turnovers.  St. Thomas is one best teams to exploit other team weaknesses and are very disciplined playing the game and we on the other hand have not been. I wouldn’t be surprised that St Thomas isn’t going to be one or two in the conference this year. We continue to play a lot of people the reason for this nobody has stepped up showed they can play consistent  game or they have major weakness in their game. Look at the comments by all of us on board about different players how they are so different from night to night so see why coaching has played so many fiferent players each night. I would say only player that has played consistent game or over achieved is Danielson. I believe they had hoped Suecker would have provided  this but looking at him this year he’s not the player he was last year or year before..I believe what ever he hurt last year is either still affecting him or doesn’t allow him movement he had before the injury because he looks slow and doesn’t have the movement he had before.  The hope is that some of these players figure it out by the end of the season. The only positive is this very young team and that’s probably why we’re seeing what we’re seeing.

[jdub27]

20 hours ago, HoopsFan03 said:

Saying we are a young team is such a copout though. We played 10 guys last night. Three of them are freshman... Mathews played 3 minutes and is a sophomore. The other 6 guys are all juniors or above. They are 14 games into the season and now 1 conference game down. At some point you just have to figure it out and find a way to at least be competitive. St. Thomas was D3 team 1.5 years ago, they were missing their 14.5 ppg scorer last night and UND wasn't even really competitive. Especially in the second half. To me, saying we are a young team is an excuse that really isn't valid at this point in the season. 

Yes and no, depending on how you look at the breakdown. And inexperienced is probably more accurate than young, but I still think the latter applies.
41% of the minutes were played by players that were playing in high school last year (Omot, Brooks, Eaglestaff).
14% were played by players that are playing their first D1 season (Trent, Levias).
22% were played by players that are playing their second D1 season (Tsartsidze, Norman, Mathews).
That leaves 24% being played by guys that have more than one D1 season under their belt (Danielson, Sueker).

I mean, that is the more than the equivalent of two players who were sitting in a high school classroom last year playing a full game. That's definitely is not the norm.
That being said, I think its the right move and gives UND the best chance to win both now and in the future. But there is going to be growing pains. Let's hope we get to see this group grow together....

[sioux24/7]

3 minutes ago, jdub27 said:

Yes and no, depending on how you look at the breakdown. And inexperienced is probably more accurate than young, but I still think the latter applies.
41% of the minutes were played by players that were playing in high school last year (Omot, Brooks, Eaglestaff).
14% were played by players that are playing their first D1 season (Trent, Levias).
20% were played by players that are playing their second D1 season (Tsartsidze, Norman).
That leaves 25% being played by guys that have more than one D1 season under their belt (Danielson, Sueker, Mathews).

I mean, that is the more than the equivalent of two players who were sitting in a high school classroom last year playing a full game. That's definitely is not the norm.
That being said, I think its the right move and gives UND the best chance to win both now and in the future. But there is going to be growing pains. Let's hope we get to see this group grow together....

Matthews would be in the 2nd year group. 

[dmksioux]

20 minutes ago, jdub27 said:

Yes and no, depending on how you look at the breakdown. And inexperienced is probably more accurate than young, but I still think the latter applies.
41% of the minutes were played by players that were playing in high school last year (Omot, Brooks, Eaglestaff).
14% were played by players that are playing their first D1 season (Trent, Levias).
22% were played by players that are playing their second D1 season (Tsartsidze, Norman, Mathews).
That leaves 24% being played by guys that have more than one D1 season under their belt (Danielson, Sueker).

I mean, that is the more than the equivalent of two players who were sitting in a high school classroom last year playing a full game. That's definitely is not the norm.
That being said, I think its the right move and gives UND the best chance to win both now and in the future. But there is going to be growing pains. Let's hope we get to see this group grow together....

Care to break down the St.Thomas roster?

[jdub27]

1 minute ago, dmksioux said:

Care to break down the St.Thomas roster?

Not sure if its in relation to how many years they have been playing seasons of D1 but I'll humor it anyway.
Also, do I get to put a conversion rate that takes into account the distance from campus? 

Senior or Grad Students, playing 2nd year of D1 basketball (Bjorklund, Miller, Allen, Engels) - 58%
Junior, playing 3rd year of D1 basketball (Brown, Jr) - 11%
Sophomore, playing 2nd year of D1 basketball (Nau) - 9%
Freshman/RFr, playing 1st year of D1 basketball (Blue, Dufault, Lee) - 22%

72% of minutes came from players who grew up in the metro.
7% came from players that grew up within 80 miles of campus
21% came from players that grew up in Milwaukee or Chicago (325-400 miles away)

The top and bottom numbers of location is exactly why St. Thomas is going to be a force within a few years. There is a lot of talent in the metro they are going to keep and pulling from the Milwaukee and Chicago areas to MSP/StP is a lot easier than to Grand Forks. 

 

[SWSiouxMN]

Maybe UST is the 2nd best team in the Summit this year?

Or winning on the road is going to be hard for ANYONE in this league this year?

 

[UND-SPORTS-FAN]

UND finally offered Klabo... I don't understand what took so long when both parents & older sister played at UND. Not holding my breath as I think if he gets a little taller he will be going to a P5 school. 

[nodak651]

20 minutes ago, UND-SPORTS-FAN said:

UND finally offered Klabo... I don't understand what took so long when both parents & older sister played at UND. Not holding my breath as I think if he gets a little taller he will be going to a P5 school. 

I kinda wonder if P5 guys will start accepting more low/mid major offers to gain playing time and experience prior to transferring to a P5 school.  Think juniors/USHL for hockey.  Even NHL draft picks play juniors while knowing they will probably leave college early, rather playing 4 yrs of college hockey. Would a guy like Klabo develop faster if he played at UND as a freshman vs riding the bench at a P5? 

Not saying whether or not this is or should his or UND's approach - it just crossed my mind.  A p5 could also suggest that to a kid... telling them to play somewhere they will see the floor and then transfer with 1yr experience.  

[sioux24/7]

The most frustrating thing for me is it felt like we finally started finding something Thanksgiving weekend but we just haven’t been able to find it since. There’s been glimpses of it against Seattle, UST, USD and SDSU but no finish or too many periods of droughts. Is it there? Sure. 

[GoodGood]

1 hour ago, sioux24/7 said:

The most frustrating thing for me is it felt like we finally started finding something Thanksgiving weekend but we just haven’t been able to find it since. There’s been glimpses of it against Seattle, UST, USD and SDSU but no finish or too many periods of droughts. Is it there? Sure. 

I fell for it too. I was asking if we could finish in the top half of the conference after those thanksgiving games. I think the more likely answer is we played two teams from warmer climates, in grand forks, over thanksgiving, when it was like 10 degrees. I don’t think they wanted any part in being here and we took advantage 

[SiouxFan100]

Winning is more fun

[Kab]

15 hours ago, sioux24/7 said:

The most frustrating thing for me is it felt like we finally started finding something Thanksgiving weekend but we just haven’t been able to find it since. There’s been glimpses of it against Seattle, UST, USD and SDSU but no finish or too many periods of droughts. Is it there? Sure. 

The droughts re to me what’s frustrating, it’s like no one wants to make a mistake and then that’s all they do, a little to passive 

[UND1983]

Overall, would Klabo be the best guard on our team right now?

[F'n Hawks]

32 minutes ago, UND1983 said:

Overall, would Klabo be the best guard on our team right now?

Eaglestaff, but then he would be.

[UND1983]

2 minutes ago, HoopsFan03 said:

Trent, Brooks, Norman, Danielson. All better guards at the college level right now. If we're talking right now. He's only a sophomore in HS and at 6'1" 160 pounds he would have a hard time competing with the physicality and speed of the D1 level. That's if we are talking right now like the question states. But if we're talking when he's done with HS and going to be a freshman in college he will be better than the guards we have at the moment. 

I would run him out there with no issues right now.  He is better overall than most all our guards. Trent would be a better driver for sure but can't shoot.  Brooks can't shoot.  Norman can only shoot and do nothing else.

[ND1]

Looking at the top PGs in ND high school right now… Klabo, Dissette (Minot) and Kraft (Red River) could all be upgrades to the PG position. 

[UND1983]

1 minute ago, HoopsFan03 said:

You are severely underestimating the physicality and speed of college basketball and how much of an adjustment it is. If you put him in a live college basketball game right now it wouldn't be close. A 15/16 year old vs 20 something grown men that have years of college basketball experience.....

That is true yes. But I have seen what we have to offer, it isn't good enough and I don't see it getting much better.  His ceiling is very high.  

[ND1]

10 minutes ago, HoopsFan03 said:

Two of those players aren't PG's... Mason Klabo is the only PG listed

Dissette may be a combo PG/SG, kraft is listed as the top 2023 PG in prep hoops 

[F'n Hawks]

2 hours ago, HoopsFan03 said:

Trent, Brooks, Norman, Danielson. All better guards at the college level right now. If we're talking right now. He's only a sophomore in HS and at 6'1" 160 pounds he would have a hard time competing with the physicality and speed of the D1 level. That's if we are talking right now like the question states. But if we're talking when he's done with HS and going to be a freshman in college he will be better than the guards we have at the moment. 

Agreed, the way I took it was when he’s a freshman.

[sioux24/7]

This is ridiculous. 

[UND1983]

Just now, sioux24/7 said:

This is ridiculous. 

Our season?  Or.....

[sioux24/7]

3 minutes ago, UND1983 said:

Our season?  Or.....

If we are talking about a sophomore in high school being our best guard….  Klabo is very talented and will be a very good college player and is a very good high school player right now but no he would not be our best guard right now. 

[SiouxFan100]

We shouldn’t have guards/wing players that can’t shoot

we shouldn’t have posts who can’t post or guard posts

if we help it

[GoodGood]

It’s sad that we’re even in a position where a question like this can come up. Good guards grow on trees. You can literally find good guards anywhere. How can we not get one after the seasons Marlon and Tyree had??

[SWSiouxMN]

24 minutes ago, GoodGood said:

It’s sad that we’re even in a position where a question like this can come up. Good guards grow on trees. You can literally find good guards anywhere. How can we not get one after the seasons Marlon and Tyree had??

Or Q, or Geno, or Webb, or Anderson....

need I go on?