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The only people who need to be tested are health care workers, the elderly, and those with underlying health conditions.  If you are young (under 50) and healthy and are taking up a test kit, crowding

This country is being bright to its knees by fear....not the virus. Recovery from getting the virus is a couple weeks. Recovery of society from this hysteria will be years.

It’s sad that about half the country still believes outlets like msnbc and cnn.  You would think after they lied everyday for 3 years about Russian collusion, people would get the hint of what their t

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2 hours ago, Siouxphan27 said:

Thanks.  That’s all I have heard as well, is regarding the test kits.  Seems to be a lot of criticism of the handling of the entire situation if test kits is the only problem.  

 Again, I wish someone would put out their numbers for infections and deaths if we would’ve had test kits earlier.    And then subtract from that number the estimated lives saved by halting travel from China at a time when the WHO admonished the administration for making that decision 

To be fair, the ability to properly administer tests is the foundation of a proper response.  Everything is built upon it.  So is proper communication.  Without both we’re navigating blind.....which is, frankly, our biggest problem now.  We've been forced to play catch-up because of this administration's incompetent initial response.  So, it that sense, criticism is certainly warranted.     

Again, this isn't a political rant; Trump has done a very good job since the initial failure.    

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2 hours ago, yzerman19 said:

Hoping it’s half that time, but your point remains.  Wish I could say most people can ride that out, but I know most cant.  Might be a hard lesson for many about driving new trucks and having a 60 inch TV and the latest iPhone.

 

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32 minutes ago, UNDlaw80 said:

To be fair, the ability to properly administer tests is the foundation of a proper response.  Everything is built upon it.  So is proper communication.  Without both we’re navigating blind.....which is, frankly, our biggest problem now.  We've been forced to play catch-up because of this administration's incompetent initial response.  So, it that sense, criticism is certainly warranted.     

Again, this isn't a political rant; Trump has done a very good job since the initial failure.    

Beautiful test kits...

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4 hours ago, UNDlaw80 said:

So what happened? Covid spread for several weeks, without most people knowing anything, nor did the administration care to do anything about it.  "We have it totally under control.  It's just one person coming from China.  It's going to be just fine." - Trump, Jan 22, 2020

The bolded part is what some of us are saying: No one knew or cared about this virus until a week ago and we were all OK going about our lives.

But, Because the media IMO is blowing this thing out of the water, look where we are now. It’s ridiculous in public because of a false panic/hysteria. Everyone is still out shopping, restaurants are busy, etc.

How big of a deal was the flu this season?Really big relative to this from what I can tell and I don’t really remember hearing anyone blow up the news about the number of people that died from the flu so far. How many people have gone to work with a cold/flu in the past 2-3 months? Lots. And no one missed a beat because it’s flu season.

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4 minutes ago, LeftyZL said:

The bolded part is what some of us are saying: No one knew or cared about this virus until a week ago and we were all OK going about our lives.

But, Because the media IMO is blowing this thing out of the water, look where we are now. It’s ridiculous in public because of a false panic/hysteria. Everyone is still out shopping, restaurants are busy, etc.

How big of a deal was the flu this season?Really big relative to this from what I can tell and I don’t really remember hearing anyone blow up the news about the number of people that died from the flu so far. How many people have gone to work with a cold/flu in the past 2-3 months? Lots. And no one missed a beat because it’s flu season.

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7 hours ago, iramurphy said:

Fever isn’t the marker. I said people with cough and fever should stay home. Testing depends on many factors, including recent, travel, occupation, known exposure, sore throat, cough, fever etc. I do believe every medical facility should have protocols in place that allow the health care providers to test without waiting time with some county administrator  

I can’t vouch for this source, but if you google www.worldometers.info it compares different counties from 3/14. 
The USA has one of the lower number of cases per million population (7.5/million). Of the present 2395 cases 10 were listed as critical. USA death rate was 2.2%.  

Some  talk about hospitals overwhelmed with cases and no resources to care for the sick. I have family in the New Rochelle NY area which is the epicenter of one of their outbreaks and that isn’t the info they are hearing. For those of you experiencing that where are you?  

I just found out tonight that one of my staff members is positive.  She had a fever and body aches for 5 days before respiratory symptoms showed up.  It's possible she was already infected with something else and then got covid in addition, but it's impossible to know.  I don't think we can say yet that fever isn't the marker.  Today is day 8 with symptoms (only day 3 of respiratory symptoms), and her fever still hasn't dropped below 100.

I live in Westchester County (actually just moved out of New Rochelle 4 months ago) and work in both Westchester County and Rockland County.  We aren't overwhelmed YET.  That being said, this one positive staff member is taking out 5 other people for 6 days because they worked with her on the day she developed systems.  DOH's current guideline is to quarantine anyone who had extended close contact with the person on or after the day he/she develops symptoms.  Anyone else who had brief contact can continue to work but should closely monitor for symptom development.  I have a relatively small dept (45-50 people) that was short 6 FTEs to begin with.  Now we're taking out another 6 people?  Staffing resources are about to get really tight, really quick.  

New York-Presbyterian, ranked #5 in the list of nation's best hospitals, just announced today that effective Monday all elective procedures and surgeries will be postponed.  It's common opinion around here that most hospitals will follow suit fairly soon.  

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4 hours ago, .357 said:

 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.globalresearch.ca/30000-u-s-soldiers-sent-into-europe-without-masks/5706084/amp 

"However, one category of U.S. citizens is exempted from these rules: the 20,000 soldiers beginning to arrive from the United States in European ports and airports for the Defender Europe 20 exercise, the largest U.S. troop deployment in Europe in the last 25 years. Including those already present, about 30,000 U.S. troops will participate in April and May, flanked by 7,000 troops from 17 NATO member and partner countries, including Italy."

 

That article is from three days ago, with no mention in my feeds of reducing these numbers or sending them back, unless you can show otherwise. The number of personnel participating is more like 37,000, actually. 

The following were some of many articles about the reduction that I found with a 30sec Google search, and it was from 4 days ago. And I went to the website you got your source from. Holy !@#$. If that's what you consider a credible news source, I don't know what to tell you other than lay off the crack pipe.

 

Here's an article talking about the reduction and cancellation of parts of Defender-20 from 4 days ago:

https://thehill.com/policy/defense/487138-us-military-cuts-back-troops-to-participate-in-european-exercise-over-virus

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The U.S. military will reduce the number of troops expected to participate in a multinational exercise in Europe for the “health protection” of forces, U.S. European Command announced Wednesday, citing concerns about the coronavirus.

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The news comes the same day the Defense Department announced it would pull U.S. forces from a multinational Arctic exercise in Norway that also has been curtailed due to concerns over coronavirus, which causes the disease known as COVID-19.

That exercise, which began earlier this month but ended a week early, involved more than 15,000 service members from 10 countries.

In addition, several exercises based in South Korea have been canceled, as have two joint drills with Israel, and the multinational Operation African Lion has been pared down.

 

Or this article from 2 days ago:

https://www.military.com/daily-news/2020/03/12/troops-europe-face-limbo-following-canceled-exercise-travel-ban.html

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On Wednesday, U.S. European Command announced that the number of U.S. troops participating in DEFENDER-Europe 20 was being cut back, although several U.S. units have already arrived and moved into position in NATO alliance states.

DEFENDER-Europe 20 was set to be the biggest deployment for an exercise in 25 years, with 20,000 soldiers deploying from the U.S. and training with 17,000 allies.

"In light of the current coronavirus outbreak, we will modify the exercise by reducing the number of U.S. participants," the EUCOM statement said. "Activities associated with the exercise will be adjusted accordingly, and we'll work closely with allies and partners to meet our highest priority training objectives."

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"This is just the beginning of widespread curtailment of military exercises overseas," he said. "[Europe] is not more dangerous than the United States. It would be different if the United States was unaffected [by the virus] and [troops] were going to a place that was severely affected, but that's not the case."

But as the virus continues spreading, he said the U.S. will most likely have to "eliminate virtually all future military exercises overseas" and quarantine the troops and equipment deployed to participate in exercises like DEFENDER-Europe 20.

The announcement followed on EUCOM's cancellation of two other joint training exercises within a week that were already underway -- one in Norway and a second in Israel.

A statement Wednesday from EUCOM headquarters in Stuttgart, Germany, said that Norwegian authorities had called off the remainder of Exercise Cold Response.

 

We'll see if any part of Defender-20 will still be a go by Monday night. I'm betting it will be reduced to pretty much just a cargo transport exercise by that point. But maybe it was too far gone to stop, and they will quarantine in place either in Europe or back on American bases.

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26 minutes ago, UNDlaw80 said:

This isn't brain surgery.  No one cared about covid-19 a week ago because this country wasn't experiencing the effects of it yet, nor was the government doing what it was supposed to do in such a situation.  Also, by and large, we're an insular thinking country that doesn't care about the world outside our own borders.  We didn't bother to see it coming.  However things change fast when people start dying.     

AND the difference between covid-19 and the flu is that we know what to expect from the flu.  The flu is predictable, we have antidotes and our bodies have built up somewhat of an immunity to it (at least for some of the strains that don't mutate).  In comparison, we know virtually nothing about covid-19.   

Sure people are overreacting, it's ridiculous.  However that doesn't mean covid-19 isn't a potentially serious problem going forward.  The two aren't mutually exclusive.  

 

I swear, "it's the media" has become the reactionary response to anything that doesn't fit into some of your preconceived worldviews.  It's like clockwork. 

  

 

 

There you go being all level- headed and reasonable.  Don’t you know this is the internet?

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1 hour ago, LeftyZL said:

The bolded part is what some of us are saying: No one knew or cared about this virus until a week ago and we were all OK going about our lives.

But, Because the media IMO is blowing this thing out of the water, look where we are now. It’s ridiculous in public because of a false panic/hysteria. Everyone is still out shopping, restaurants are busy, etc.

How big of a deal was the flu this season?Really big relative to this from what I can tell and I don’t really remember hearing anyone blow up the news about the number of people that died from the flu so far. How many people have gone to work with a cold/flu in the past 2-3 months? Lots. And no one missed a beat because it’s flu season.

Thank you. One week everything is hunky dory & we're anticipating a good series with CC; the next I can't even buy any asswipe at my local Walmart. Had no problems getting water tonight, but no Charmin at any stores I was at. Not sure people have their priorities in order, unless they plan on their tp keeping them hydrated.

Hammersmith: try to tone it down with the crack pipe reference, ok? That was years ago. :D Seriously, I don't think you or anybody is the final arbiter on what is credible or not; being "official" or on a certain channel doesn't necessarily qualify it as truthful. Information is coming from many sources right now. 

The point is that quite a few service members will still be involved, because I saw "curtailed" & "reduction" being used, but not a full-stop. And will these exercises have any interactions with the local populations? Because it sounds like there will be during their rest periods. I guess as outsiders we won't know the logistics & actual deployments involved until they happen; but to have any exercises at all at this stage in the game without full knowledge of the possible consequences is immoral, & criminal, if it in any way contributes to its spread. If they can cancel games at halftime, they sure as hell can cancel this exercise until more is known. Not that I believe any of this, just offering a counter-point.

 

 

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Curfews are now being issued in New Jersey.

Guess they didn't like people going to bars at night.

If young people are such carriers why is any school open?

I guess we are officially at the point where nothing is too dramatic right now to stop people from spreading the illness.

Some believe this is the beginning and curfews will be nationwide.

Any travel will be highly limited.

This is the new snowball starting to roll down the hill....

 

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9 minutes ago, Cratter said:

Curfews are now being issued in New Jersey.

Guess they didn't like people going to bars at night.

If young people are such carriers why is any school open?

 

I'd guess administrators or whoever are forced to decide between limiting potential infection and parents needing to make a living (they will need to take off work to watch kids if school is closed).    It's sort of a lose/lose situation.    

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Sweet Jesus this makes my blood boil.  

Covid-19 is deemed serious enough to declare a national emergency; serious enough for numerous lawmakers to self-quarantine  (Lindsey Graham and Ted Cruz being the latest), yet this was the scene today at DFW for the average Joe:

 

 

Yes Donald, your "greatest and most prepared response to covid-19" looks like a human petri dish.  How is this allowed to occur, like seriously.           

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13 minutes ago, UNDlaw80 said:

I'd guess administrators or whoever are forced to decide between limiting potential infection and parents needing to make a living (they will need to take off work to watch kids if school is closed).    It's sort of a lose/lose situation.   

So we don't have to shut everything down if it adversely affects people? 

They can just shut down high schools then.

High School kids can take care of themselves and those are the biggest gathering places in the state school wise.

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4 minutes ago, UNDlaw80 said:

Sweet Jesus this makes my blood boil.  

Covid-19 is deemed serious enough to declare a national emergency; serious enough for numerous lawmakers to self-quarantine  (Lindsey Graham and Ted Cruz being the latest), yet this was the scene today at DFW for the average Joe:

 

 

Yes Donald, your "greatest and most prepared response to covid-19" looks like a human petri dish.  How is this allowed to occur, like seriously.           

Sorry the President can't do everything for evergone.

That looks like some high school cafeterias.

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14 minutes ago, Cratter said:

Sorry the President can't do everything for evergone.

That looks like some high school cafeterias.

 

This isn't some high school cafeteria.  DFW is one of the largest international airports on the planet - it is literally contamination ground zero and one of the first places the government should keep under control if the goal is to limit the spread of anything into this country. 

That this is allowed to occur is simply astounding.  

  

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18 minutes ago, UNDlaw80 said:

 

This isn't some high school cafeteria.  DFW is one of the largest international airports on the planet - it is literally contamination ground zero and one of the first places that should be taken care of if the goal is to limit the spread of anything into this country. 

That this is allowed to occur is simply astounding.  

You think the President should shut down airports.

What about Subways? Malls? Marathons? Parades? Churches? Concerts? Casinos? The entire strip in Vegas?

If the media is going to show any picture of groups of people gathering and claiming "outlandish".

We are in for a long Coronavirus season.

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3 hours ago, Cratter said:

You think the President should shut down airports.

What about Subways? Malls? Marathons? Parades? Churches? Concerts? Casinos? The entire strip in Vegas?

If the media is going to show any picture of groups of people gathering and claiming "outlandish".

We are in for a long Coronavirus season.

Shut down airports?  No.  Should Trump have had the foresight and common sense to properly staff airports before implementing the travel ban?  Absolutely.  This is just the latest of this admin's hastily ordered and thoughtlessly organized policies as it pertains to Covid-19.   

Mind you, this occurred at customs,  These people, returning from all over the world, were jammed together for hours with no coronavirus protocols in place - then they all entered the country.  Holy crapballs.         

As for shutting down subways and malls?  Depends on how severe cases are by region I suppose, and it should left to states/localities to decide.  China for instance had hot zones, other areas were relatively covid free.  That said, for several reasons, we have so little information as to the severity and spread of covid-19 in the US.  

 

Same thing happened at O'Hare

 

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46 minutes ago, UNDlaw80 said:

Shut down airports?  No.  Should Trump have had the foresight and common sense to properly staff airports before implementing the travel ban?  Absolutely.  This is just the latest of this admin's hastily ordered and thoughtlessly organized policies as it pertains to Covid-19.   

Mind you, this occurred at customs,  These people, returning from all over the world, were jammed together for hours with no coronavirus protocols in place - then they all entered the country.  Holy crapballs.         

As for shutting down subways and malls?  Depends on how severe cases are by region I suppose, and it should left to states/localities to decide.  China for instance had hot zones, other areas were relatively covid free.  That said, for several reasons, we have so little information as to the severity and spread of covid-19 in the US.  

 

Same thing happened at O'Hare

 

I’ve been hearing for about 3 years now that not allowing anyone into our country for any reason is extremely racist.  So it’s clearly a damned if you do, damned if you don’t situation.  

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5 hours ago, Cratter said:

You think the President should shut down airports.

What about Subways? Malls? Marathons? Parades? Churches? Concerts? Casinos? The entire strip in Vegas?

If the media is going to show any picture of groups of people gathering and claiming "outlandish".

We are in for a long Coronavirus season.

So when we all are another 8-12 weeks into this and your local Walmart and/or Target and/or grocery store are the only stores open how many people in CHI or DAL or any community are going to standing in line and or in the store? And I'm sure it's going to be orderly and peaceful at those places.

The single mom, who has been out of work for weeks and has a few bucks left in her pocket with 3 kids at her side who are hungry and riddled fear and anxiety, is going look at the person in line behind who of course is at least 6 ft away and say...."My kids and I scared, we are desperate, we have lost almost everything, we have basically nothing left but at least we didn't get the virus."

So in the next week in this country when everything shuts down except for the facilities that care for the sick we need to ask ourselves who are we protecting again by all of this? 99.5+% of people who get this virus are going to go on to lead healthy lives but will they happy lives? Lives with hope and a future?

This is NOT a single entity issue.

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5 hours ago, Cratter said:

Sorry the President can't do everything for evergone.

That looks like some high school cafeterias.

Won't look like a cafeteria in MN in the near future. Gov. Walz to hold presser at 10 am. No doubt it's a domino effect because of neighboring WI and SD.

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9 hours ago, keikla said:

I just found out tonight that one of my staff members is positive.  She had a fever and body aches for 5 days before respiratory symptoms showed up.  It's possible she was already infected with something else and then got covid in addition, but it's impossible to know.  I don't think we can say yet that fever isn't the marker.  Today is day 8 with symptoms (only day 3 of respiratory symptoms), and her fever still hasn't dropped below 100.

I live in Westchester County (actually just moved out of New Rochelle 4 months ago) and work in both Westchester County and Rockland County.  We aren't overwhelmed YET.  That being said, this one positive staff member is taking out 5 other people for 6 days because they worked with her on the day she developed systems.  DOH's current guideline is to quarantine anyone who had extended close contact with the person on or after the day he/she develops symptoms.  Anyone else who had brief contact can continue to work but should closely monitor for symptom development.  I have a relatively small dept (45-50 people) that was short 6 FTEs to begin with.  Now we're taking out another 6 people?  Staffing resources are about to get really tight, really quick.  

New York-Presbyterian, ranked #5 in the list of nation's best hospitals, just announced today that effective Monday all elective procedures and surgeries will be postponed.  It's common opinion around here that most hospitals will follow suit fairly soon.  

Ira’s words were taken out of context. He had previously stated that people with fever and cough should stay home. I thought he meant that people who had colds but no fever could freely spread their  germs. He was in fact saying that people who simply have cough and fever need to not clog up medical offices and ER’s. 
 

People without fever are almost certainly capable of spreading coronavirus. 
 

Edited to add: hopes for speedy recoveries for your staff. 

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