NDSUCKS Dump Thread

[homer]

27 minutes ago, Milo said:

NDSU is talking about the USBank Stadium.  Reusse is calling for an annual opening game between the Gophers and Bison. First at TCF. Next at USBank for NDSUs home field. Gophers would split gate with Bison because USBank is larger.  NDSU is also talking about using larger stadiums for premier FCS matchups.  We get offered Target field in Nov. I think we are pretty far behind the 8 ball on this except for hockey. 

Does Reusse do scheduling for the Gophers?   Good luck with that proposal. 

[Milo]

No he doesn’t but he does go on the radio promoting the idea because UMs program could use the shot in the arm 30,000+ Bison fans could give it. The Gophers of course are embarrassed and this is a one sided conversation. The one-sided nature of the conversation reminds me of the new nickel trophy talk.

NDSU isn’t interested in the least. They have a national fan base,  The Dakota Bowl, playoff rivalries, the Frisco games and trophy’s, huge rivalries with JMU and UNI. These are real rivalries grounded in football not discontent.  UND spends its time trying to force some kind of trophy game down everyone’s throat while NDSU is winning NC trophies in historic proportions while garnering a lot of positive national attention.  They are also commonly mentioned in the FBS expansion talks.

What is the difference? Why are they enjoying a decade of unprecedented success and we can barely win a game over that same time period?

[choyt3]

1 hour ago, Milo said:

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What is the difference? Why are they enjoying a decade of unprecedented success and we can barely win a game over that same time period?

“We”. Cute.

[GForks]

You want facts and no speculation? Here it is. It was a "preworkout" type drink. A "handful" of players used it (not as many as the "widespread throughout the locker room") comment by mom. BR is the only one who took it that got tested. Unaware that there was any NCAA Banned Substance in it. It is not caffeine as some here have suggested. Some scientific drug/ingredient name that I can't remember. Provided by the motivational coach.

Even some coaches drank it, that's how unaware everyone was as to this banned ingredient. Not saying they are wrong to drink it, just stating facts. That's how harmless it seemed to everyone who was given it.

[homer]

2 hours ago, Milo said:

No he doesn’t but he does go on the radio promoting the idea because UMs program could use the shot in the arm 30,000+ Bison fans could give it. The Gophers of course are embarrassed and this is a one sided conversation. The one-sided nature of the conversation reminds me of the new nickel trophy talk.

NDSU isn’t interested in the least. They have a national fan base,  The Dakota Bowl, playoff rivalries, the Frisco games and trophy’s, huge rivalries with JMU and UNI. These are real rivalries grounded in football not discontent.  UND spends its time trying to force some kind of trophy game down everyone’s throat while NDSU is winning NC trophies in historic proportions while garnering a lot of positive national attention.  They are also commonly mentioned in the FBS expansion talks.

What is the difference? Why are they enjoying a decade of unprecedented success and we can barely win a game over that same time period?

Give up the “we”. 

Big10 school isn’t splitting gates every other year with anyone.  

Any destination game done by NDSU will likely be on 12 game years.  They aren’t giving up a dome game.  

If by shoving a trophy down everyone’s throats you mean the resolution sponsored by Grand Forks and Fargo reps....ok.  

Man your fan base is insecure.  

[Siouxphan27]

1 hour ago, GForks said:

You want facts and no speculation? Here it is. It was a "preworkout" type drink. A "handful" of players used it (not as many as the "widespread throughout the locker room") comment by mom. BR is the only one who took it that got tested. Unaware that there was any NCAA Banned Substance in it. It is not caffeine as some here have suggested. Some scientific drug/ingredient name that I can't remember. Provided by the motivational coach.

Even some coaches drank it, that's how unaware everyone was as to this banned ingredient. Not saying they are wrong to drink it, just stating facts. That's how harmless it seemed to everyone who was given it.

Thanks for the info.  Makes me wonder why Matt Larsen decided to lie to the newspaper regarding who provided it.  I’m sure within 2,3 years Kolpack will schedule a follow up interview. 

Unfortunate ndsu had a handful of players participate in the playoffs while under the influence of an NCAA banned substance.  

[Siouxphan27]

3 hours ago, Milo said:

No he doesn’t but he does go on the radio promoting the idea because UMs program could use the shot in the arm 30,000+ Bison fans could give it. The Gophers of course are embarrassed and this is a one sided conversation. The one-sided nature of the conversation reminds me of the new nickel trophy talk.

NDSU isn’t interested in the least. They have a national fan base,  The Dakota Bowl, playoff rivalries, the Frisco games and trophy’s, huge rivalries with JMU and UNI. These are real rivalries grounded in football not discontent.  UND spends its time trying to force some kind of trophy game down everyone’s throat while NDSU is winning NC trophies in historic proportions while garnering a lot of positive national attention.  They are also commonly mentioned in the FBS expansion talks.

What is the difference? Why are they enjoying a decade of unprecedented success and we can barely win a game over that same time period?

That’s a great question you pose at the end of your response.  

Maybe a lot of it has to do with their ISP.   You know, their Illegal Substance Program.   As a fellow UND fan who clearly bleeds kelly green, what do you think?

[Bison06]

1 hour ago, GForks said:

You want facts and no speculation? Here it is. It was a "preworkout" type drink. A "handful" of players used it (not as many as the "widespread throughout the locker room") comment by mom. BR is the only one who took it that got tested. Unaware that there was any NCAA Banned Substance in it. It is not caffeine as some here have suggested. Some scientific drug/ingredient name that I can't remember. Provided by the motivational coach.

Even some coaches drank it, that's how unaware everyone was as to this banned ingredient. Not saying they are wrong to drink it, just stating facts. That's how harmless it seemed to everyone who was given it.

An NCAA banned substance that was not on the label of the supplement?

[geaux_sioux]

8 hours ago, bison73 said:

Considering she mis-spoke and inferred that all the players in the locker room were taking the same supplement that her son did is very misleading. So yes I am sure she was emotional when she gave her blanket locker room statement. I do not fault her for that. She was just wrong.

She never said all.

[geaux_sioux]

4 hours ago, Milo said:

No he doesn’t but he does go on the radio promoting the idea because UMs program could use the shot in the arm 30,000+ Bison fans could give it. The Gophers of course are embarrassed and this is a one sided conversation. The one-sided nature of the conversation reminds me of the new nickel trophy talk.

NDSU isn’t interested in the least. They have a national fan base,  The Dakota Bowl, playoff rivalries, the Frisco games and trophy’s, huge rivalries with JMU and UNI. These are real rivalries grounded in football not discontent.  UND spends its time trying to force some kind of trophy game down everyone’s throat while NDSU is winning NC trophies in historic proportions while garnering a lot of positive national attention.  They are also commonly mentioned in the FBS expansion talks.

What is the difference? Why are they enjoying a decade of unprecedented success and we can barely win a game over that same time period?

You mean like how NDSU and SDSU started using a rock out of the blue? Traditional rivalry trophy game my ass.

And stop saying we, it’s pathetic.

[geaux_sioux]

21 minutes ago, Bison06 said:

An NCAA banned substance that was not on the label of the supplement?

Don’t trust any supliment. The only one I ever took when I played was a simple nitric oxide supliment and even then I didn’t really know what else could be in it. We’re all playing supliment roulette and it’s a joke. The industry needs to get cleaned up and the FDA needs to pull their heads out of their asses.

[GForks]

33 minutes ago, Bison06 said:

An NCAA banned substance that was not on the label of the supplement?

That is correct. You see it all the time even in pro sports. The NCAA does not regulate the supplement labeling market.

[Bison06]

10 minutes ago, GForks said:

That is correct. You see it all the time even in pro sports. The NCAA does not regulate the supplement labeling market.

Thanks for sharing the details you have. 

[Mama Sue]

14 minutes ago, GForks said:

That is correct. You see it all the time even in pro sports. The NCAA does not regulate the supplement labeling market.

 

26 minutes ago, geaux_sioux said:

Don’t trust any supliment. The only one I ever took when I played was a simple nitric oxide supliment and even then I didn’t really know what else could be in it. We’re all playing supliment roulette and it’s a joke. The industry needs to get cleaned up and the FDA needs to pull their heads out of their asses.

A person was giving her 12 year old daughter an adult dose weight loss stimulant.... she went into a fast heart rate several times.... needs a heart work up now....

the FDA needs to make sure everything is needed.... some of these are part of the USDA not FDA....

follow the money ..... the issue will manifest itself

[gundy1124]

2 hours ago, GForks said:

You want facts and no speculation? Here it is. It was a "preworkout" type drink. A "handful" of players used it (not as many as the "widespread throughout the locker room") comment by mom. BR is the only one who took it that got tested. Unaware that there was any NCAA Banned Substance in it. It is not caffeine as some here have suggested. Some scientific drug/ingredient name that I can't remember. Provided by the motivational coach.

Even some coaches drank it, that's how unaware everyone was as to this banned ingredient. Not saying they are wrong to drink it, just stating facts. That's how harmless it seemed to everyone who was given it.

For how many games and years then?....Mr Facts?  BN has been around for years at SU.

[GForks]

Just now, gundy1124 said:

For how many games and years then?....Mr Facts?  BN has been around for years at SU.

I don't know the history, only know what happened in this situation.

[geaux_sioux]

Maybe he was handing out Clean Victory+ with the new and improved proprietary blend.

[bison73]

2 hours ago, Mama Sue said:

 

A person was giving her 12 year old daughter an adult dose weight loss stimulant.... she went into a fast heart rate several times.... needs a heart work up now....

the FDA needs to make sure everything is needed.... some of these are part of the USDA not FDA....

follow the money ..... the issue will manifest itself

The whole supplement industry isnt regulated or FDA approved. That means all of the detox your body crap to stuff for a healthy prostate etc etc etc has no govt over site. Its a multi Billion dollar industry. But people get upset when it has to do with athletics? 

[bison73]

3 hours ago, geaux_sioux said:

She never said all.

You are correct. But you have some on this site stating it as fact.  Fact is she said locker room wide??? What does that infer? But like I said. She was upset and used a generic wide brush statement.  But lets keep beating this dead horse--oh it moved lets whack it again.

[Siouxphan27]

8 minutes ago, bison73 said:

The whole supplement industry isnt regulated or FDA approved. That means all of the detox your body crap to stuff for a healthy prostate etc etc etc has no govt over site. Its a multi Billion dollar industry. But people get upset when it has to do with athletics? 

So what is your stance exactly?  Do you want ndsu to be allowed to break the rules without punishment and without others getting upset?  Or do you want full on roids for all?

[Siouxphan27]

7 minutes ago, bison73 said:

You are correct. But you have some on this site stating it as fact.  Fact is she said locker room wide??? What does that infer? But like I said. She was upset and used a generic wide brush statement.  But lets keep beating this dead horse--oh it moved lets whack it again.

I've read the thread.  Nobody on here has said every single player was taking the PEDs.  

[Oxbow6]

[90siouxfan]

Do all FCS programs have an internal drug testing program?  Is it an NCAA mandate to have an internal program?  Are the results of the testing available to the public, or will a FOIA request be required?  I suspect we are sitting on the lynchpin of the Bison dynasty, they figured out a way.....

[Siouxphan27]

10 minutes ago, 90siouxfan said:

Do all FCS programs have an internal drug testing program?  Is it an NCAA mandate to have an internal program?  Are the results of the testing available to the public, or will a FOIA request be required?  I suspect we are sitting on the lynchpin of the Bison dynasty, they figured out a way.....

As the Common Man Dan Cole would say, "either they're onto something, or they're on something."   turns out it's the latter.  

[DB Cooper]

I do know most NCAA Div 1 schools do internal drug testing. I have gone through it three times at UND. The results are kept internally, and punishments for a positive result are decided within the athletic dept. and athletic training dept. I do know there are certain positive test results that they have to follow NCAA guidelines & sanctions and go through with a punishment, but I do know of some circumstances where they have detected a positive result from a drug, but was just a slap on the wrist for the student-athlete (mainly street drugs). Many students just drink gallons of water before their urine test to dilute it, although sometimes they have to re-take the test if it is too diluted- key here is that you can extend the testing time period to get rid of certain drugs in your system.

In the NDSU circumstance, the NCAA tested them in playoffs and found the positive result, we may never know if NDSU's internal drug testing detected it throughout the season or not.

 

Not sure if anyone has posted this yet, but here's a good link for FAQ on the NCAA website:  http://www.ncaa.org/sport-science-institute/topics/frequently-asked-questions-about-drug-testing