Old Fella Posted February 1, 2019 Share Posted February 1, 2019 1 hour ago, Bison06 said: You literally quoted me, I’ve said that since the beginning. It is an extremely well known fact that supplement industries are notorious for putting things in their supplements that aren’t explicitly stated on the label or in different quantities than are on the label. It’s the Wild West and players are well educated on this fact through the compliance department at every NCAA institution. I blame BN if all the details that are coming out for bringing any supplement into a college lockeroom because he would know the supplement industry is notorious for this. But, some of the blame has to be the player who should know he was playing with fire by putting anything in his body. Though, if I was in his shoes and had a close relationship with a guy like BN, I could see not thinking twice about taking it. I really do feel bad for BR and hope this isn’t the end of his football story. How about the coach who brought in a known (will not insult drug salesmen) seems closer to snake-oil to me. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mama Sue Posted February 1, 2019 Share Posted February 1, 2019 Snake Oil it is! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bison06 Posted February 1, 2019 Share Posted February 1, 2019 6 minutes ago, Old Fella said: How about the coach who brought in a known (will not insult drug salesmen) seems closer to snake-oil to me. BN is the snake oil salesman I referenced. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
homer Posted February 1, 2019 Share Posted February 1, 2019 27 minutes ago, Bison06 said: Is this a trick question? Yes athletes take “preworkouts” before games, during games, at half time of games, on the sideline during games, before going out for a night, before going to class, just sitting around watching tv if you feel like catching a quick buzz. They are taken all of the time. So this is what he did? Drank too much pre workout supplied by this motivational coach? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bison06 Posted February 1, 2019 Share Posted February 1, 2019 3 minutes ago, homer said: So this is what he did? Drank too much pre workout supplied by this motivational coach? Not sure, but it is possible that is the case. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Fella Posted February 1, 2019 Share Posted February 1, 2019 3 minutes ago, Bison06 said: BN is the snake oil salesman I referenced. My question is 'was it the head coach who brought him into the system and my understanding is has hired him at KU the culpert'? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bison06 Posted February 1, 2019 Share Posted February 1, 2019 4 minutes ago, Old Fella said: My question is 'was it the head coach who brought him into the system and my understanding is has hired him at KU the culpert'? Ahh, gotcha. Not sure who brought him in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Fella Posted February 1, 2019 Share Posted February 1, 2019 1 minute ago, Bison06 said: Ahh, gotcha. Not sure who brought him in. Someone did/BN didn't just walk in off the street and say I've got some snake oil for you. Althought you 'can fool some of the people all of the time' 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Sicatoka Posted February 1, 2019 Share Posted February 1, 2019 58 minutes ago, Bison06 said: ... if you feel like catching a quick buzz. Any wonder such things are on the NCAA naughty list? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gundy1124 Posted February 2, 2019 Share Posted February 2, 2019 3 hours ago, Cratter said: Here's another fact: Newman pushes a public preworkout, but also has his secret under the table "extra good stuff" he pushes to athletes that's not available to the public. "Clean Victory" (love the name) but then with a Secret Sauce!! I love the plot twist. Is this going to be a Hallmark Movie or more likely ESPN Outside the Lines. Seriously, the suspense has me on the edge of my seat. I have been keeping the Jacks apprised of the key details. They might want to call this in to the NCAA and claim a few National Titles for themselves. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cratter Posted February 2, 2019 Share Posted February 2, 2019 It will be interesting to see if NDSU will be able to win any clean National Championships now in the coming years. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mama Sue Posted February 2, 2019 Share Posted February 2, 2019 Well, they can always use their snake oil to take the tarnish off the trophies they do have.... they could salvage a small amount of respect coming clean even at this late date. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bison73 Posted February 2, 2019 Share Posted February 2, 2019 8 hours ago, Cratter said: What we know is NDSU hired a guy that knows a lot about supplements. And even on the board of one. NDSU player tests positive for banned substance. Multiple former Bison players instantly know who provided the stimulant. Reports are it's extensively used thought the NDSU locker room. I am sure supplements are extensively used at and by NDSU athletes. The University doesnt provide them. So I am also sure not all athletes take the same supplements but know what others do take. So the comment from Mom saying its used through out the locker room meaning supplements---yes that is true. But its also obvious that her son took a supplement that the others in the locker room werent using. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
homer Posted February 2, 2019 Share Posted February 2, 2019 15 minutes ago, bison73 said: I am sure supplements are extensively used at and by NDSU athletes. The University doesnt provide them. So I am also sure not all athletes take the same supplements but know what others do take. So the comment from Mom saying its used through out the locker room meaning supplements---yes that is true. But its also obvious that her son took a supplement that the others in the locker room werent using. But she said the university did provide what he took. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdub27 Posted February 2, 2019 Share Posted February 2, 2019 14 minutes ago, bison73 said: I am sure supplements are extensively used at and by NDSU athletes. The University doesnt provide them. So I am also sure not all athletes take the same supplements but know what others do take. So the comment from Mom saying its used through out the locker room meaning supplements---yes that is true. But its also obvious that her son took a supplement that the others in the locker room werent using. You're ignoring the comment the mom made that the supplement came from a trusted staff member.....so either ndsu, or someone who is considered to be a staff member, provided it or an NDSU hall of fame member is unnecessarily making accusations with seemingly nothing to gain. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cratter Posted February 2, 2019 Share Posted February 2, 2019 23 minutes ago, bison73 said: But its also obvious that her son took a supplement that the others in the locker room werent using. Source: Bisonville. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bison73 Posted February 2, 2019 Share Posted February 2, 2019 Just now, homer said: But she said the university did provide what he took. The University does not provide pre workout supplements. They do provide nutrition.. Please dont start splitting hairs on wording on the meaning of the words university. Then youre just being disingenuous. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geaux_sioux Posted February 2, 2019 Author Share Posted February 2, 2019 2 hours ago, Cratter said: It will be interesting to see if NDSU will be able to win any clean National Championships now in the coming years. So close. Clean Nationtion Championship Victories was the right answer. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cratter Posted February 2, 2019 Share Posted February 2, 2019 12 minutes ago, bison73 said: The University does not provide pre workout supplements. Just a "subcontractor" that NDSU hired provides the illegal (or as pointed out Banned) substance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bison73 Posted February 2, 2019 Share Posted February 2, 2019 12 minutes ago, jdub27 said: You're ignoring the comment the mom made that the supplement came from a trusted staff member.....so either ndsu, or someone who is considered to be a staff member, provided it or an NDSU hall of fame member is unnecessarily making accusations with seemingly nothing to gain. Didnt ignore that at all. But that comment does concern me. I think mom is very emotional as she should be. She has also said some very generic broad brush comments that I will give her a pass on because of the situation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bison73 Posted February 2, 2019 Share Posted February 2, 2019 3 minutes ago, Cratter said: Just a "subcontractor" that NDSU hired provides the illegal substance. Now he took an illegal substance? If that was the truth it would have been a crime. If that was the case HIPPA wouldnt be a consideration and everyone would have know what the illegal drug was and he wouldnt still be in school . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cratter Posted February 2, 2019 Share Posted February 2, 2019 Just now, bison73 said: Now he took an illegal substance? "Banned NCAA substance." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bison73 Posted February 2, 2019 Share Posted February 2, 2019 1 minute ago, Cratter said: "Banned NCAA substance." 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mama Sue Posted February 2, 2019 Share Posted February 2, 2019 Follow the money to get to the root of the issue... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gundy1124 Posted February 2, 2019 Share Posted February 2, 2019 39 minutes ago, bison73 said: Didnt ignore that at all. But that comment does concern me. I think mom is very emotional as she should be. She has also said some very generic broad brush comments that I will give her a pass on because of the situation. That's right, 'mom' is an emotional wreck too fragile and weak to think rationally in a high stress situation. I hope you guys keep saying this, it will make it funnier in the end!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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