UND to cut women's hockey

[UNDBIZ]

1 minute ago, snooty89 said:

As an alum this is embarrassing.  At what point do the cuts stop?  What else is there to be cut.  Everyone assumes that certain sports make profit to cover the losses of the others, but what will be left in a few years?  Football Hockey and Men's and Women's Basketball?  Has volleyball been cut yet?  I really have no idea at this point.  Have had a really !@#!$ run of presidents since I graduated.  This one will be known for cutting sports as the last will be for retiring the Sioux name.

Only men's hockey makes money right now.

Sports cut in the last 15-20 years now include men's wrestling, men's baseball, men's swimming and diving, women's hockey, and women's swimming and diving.  Men's golf will be cut next year, in all likelihood. 

President Kennedy just did what the last 2 full-time presidents were too afraid to do.  He did what was necessary to put UND on the right track for the future.

[Sioux>Bison]

I am so proud of my university today. They  made the best decision possible for the school and the athletic department. These cuts do hurt many athletes but the cuts were needed. UND never needed that many sports.

this move may be to motivate rich alumni to sustain the programs with their money. If these alumni care that much about the sports they will raise the money to keep them. 

Proud of what Kennedy has done so far!

[tnt]

4 minutes ago, snooty89 said:

As an alum this is embarrassing.  At what point do the cuts stop?  What else is there to be cut.  Everyone assumes that certain sports make profit to cover the losses of the others, but what will be left in a few years?  Football Hockey and Men's and Women's Basketball?  Has volleyball been cut yet?  I really have no idea at this point.  Have had a really !@#!$ run of presidents since I graduated.  This one will be known for cutting sports as the last will be for retiring the Sioux name.

It's pure economics.  You may end up saying the same about your country when the out of control spending hits a point of no return.  The cuts that will need to be made then will end up hurting you a lot worse.  Did you plan to ever retire?

[Wildfan]

1 minute ago, mksioux said:

I agree.  The alternative to cutting women's hockey would have involved cutting additional women's sports that undoubtedly would have involved a greater number of female athletes.  By the numbers, this was a no-brainer decision.  It reached the budget goal while cutting the fewest number of athletes as possible, all while bringing the school back into Title IX compliance.  Nobody has presented a coherent argument on why women's ice hockey players should have been protected more than other female athletes at UND.

It also did not affect any sports that are in or will be in Big Sky/Summit. Leaves UND as a leaving full member of Big Sky where we can win conference title, and prevents a possible breach of contract with Summit if it included certain sports in agreement to offer.

[WiSioux]

2 minutes ago, mksioux said:

I agree.  The alternative to cutting women's hockey would have involved cutting additional women's sports that undoubtedly would have involved a greater number of female athletes.  By the numbers, this was a no-brainer decision.  It reached the budget goal while cutting the fewest number of athletes as possible, all while bringing the school back into Title IX compliance.  Nobody has presented a coherent argument on why women's ice hockey players should have been protected more than other female athletes at UND.

How about the eight Olympians it produced for the last Olympics? I would guess beyond men's hockey no other sport at UND has/will produce Olympians.

[Siouxperfan7]

1 minute ago, WiSioux said:

How about the eight Olympians it produced for the last Olympics? I would guess beyond men's hockey no other sport at UND has/will produce Olympians.

What does producing Olympians have anything to do with the cost to support Womens hockey at UND?  

[UNDBIZ]

Just now, WiSioux said:

How about the eight Olympians it produced for the last Olympics? I would guess beyond men's hockey no other sport at UND has/will produce Olympians.

Swimming and diving could have, but you don't care about them.  Dickinson has had track and field Olympians, so outside of academic qualifications, no reason UND can't do the same.

Also, regarding the WIH Olympians, if a tree falls in the forest and nobody is around to hear it, did it make a sound?

[Cratter]

2 minutes ago, WiSioux said:

How about the eight Olympians it produced for the last Olympics? I would guess beyond men's hockey no other sport at UND has/will produce Olympians.

Save a program because it produces olympians? Nah.

[bigskyvikes]

This was a business decision IMO and one that had to be made! I look at this as a good thing since there are other big player sports at UND that might get more money to up the ante now, MBB,WBB, and what can this do to help the path Bubba has the FB team going in now! I think this is a smart move, unfortunate for WIH but what else could they do, keep digging a hole so you don't hurt the students in women's hockey?

[Sioux>Bison]

Just now, Siouxperfan7 said:

What does producing Olympians have anything to do with the cost to support Womens hockey at UND?  

The Olympians sure are not bringing fans to the UND women's hockey games. They are one of the lowest attended games of all women's sports in the best facility in the nation. It deserves to be cut.

[Wildfan]

1 minute ago, Sioux>Bison said:

I am so proud of my university today. They  made the best decision possible for the school and the athletic department. These cuts do hurt many athletes but the cuts were needed. UND never needed that many sports.

this move may be to motivate rich alumni to sustain the programs with their money. If these alumni care that much about the sports they will raise the money to keep them. 

Proud of what Kennedy has done so far!

The university tried a fundraising campaign around winter break, i barely saw it promoted by most sports. Also alumni kept repeated they would not donate to the school once nickname was retired. I am upset that the name was changed too, but if we didn't do it the NCAA could've/would've prevented us from all Championship competition. No NCAA Tourney for MIH, MBB, FB, VolleyBall etc.

 

People also need to remember that athletics is just one part of the university taking budget cuts. The university as a whole is as well. The School of Medicine and School of Law both have their own budgets that gets their budget cuts without a chance of spreading it out to other programs on campus. Med School announced budget cuts shortly before athletics today.

[UNDBIZ]

SIXTY THOUSAND DOLLARS per student athlete to keep WIH!

I can't repeat that number often enough.

[Maddogg1971]

UND was caught between a rock and a hard place. They also had to or have to yet, add scholarships the core minimums of the Summit/Missouri Valley Conferences.

[Siouxper Kev]

5 minutes ago, WiSioux said:

How about the eight Olympians it produced for the last Olympics? I would guess beyond men's hockey no other sport at UND has/will produce Olympians.

Not that it matters, but can anyone name more than 2 if I spot you a Lam and a Roo? 

[Blackheart]

So are all the Women's Hockey underclassmen eligible to go to other programs?  I'm guessing they would not be subject to the same transfer rules (waiting a year) due to the program dissolving.

[snooty89]

10 minutes ago, UNDColorado said:

Take a step back from the ledge. This will greatly benefit other sports down the road. I enjoyed winning 4 major championships this year and this move increases the probability of similar success in the future.

Clearly cutting these sports will cause the players in these other sports to perform better.  Just because the current president says there will be no more cuts doesn't mean he knows what his budget will be in the future.  Once they are cut they are cut.  Just like a job taking away perks.  Once they are gone they are likely gone for good.  Rip on me all you want as you all have, but cutting programs is never a good thing. 

[Sioux>Bison]

I have never been a fan of any of the presidential administrations at UND since graduating. Today I can say my feelings have changed. Kennedy is what this university has needed.

[UNDBIZ]

Just now, Wildfan said:

The university tried a fundraising campaign around winter break, i barely saw it promoted by most sports. Also alumni kept repeated they would not donate to the school once nickname was retired. I am upset that the name was changed too, but if we didn't do it the NCAA could've/would've prevented us from all Championship competition. No NCAA Tourney for MIH, MBB, FB, VolleyBall etc.

I believe I've seen it reported that Alumni Foundation revenue has gone up every year since the nickname was retired (not saying donations went up because it was retired, just that they haven't gone down).

[sprig]

1 hour ago, cberkas said:

Someone said they saw the same thing from the REA.

Someone else said the circus was in town so the ice is out.

Circus is April 28-30

[Wildfan]

1 minute ago, UNDBIZ said:

I believe I've seen it reported that Alumni Foundation revenue has gone up every year since the nickname was retired (not saying donations went up because it was retired, just that they haven't gone down).

Faison says revenue has gone up in his presser as well. But I know i have heard many people state they will no longer donate to the university, now if that is true then the amount of revenue growth is alot smaller than what it would be if they donated, but it is also possible these are folks who will never donate anyway and just want to have a excuse.

[squirtcoach]

22 minutes ago, The Sicatoka said:

The State of ND, the Legislature, and Gov. Bergum's budget, mandated UND Athletics cut $1.3 million. 

You do what the guys who cut the checks for you tell you to do. 

Or make a stand.  Mark hasn't changed much in the last 10 years. Too bad.  

[UNDBIZ]

Just now, Wildfan said:

Faison says revenue has gone up in his presser as well. But I know i have heard many people state they will no longer donate to the university, now if that is true then the amount of revenue growth is alot smaller than what it would be if they donated, but it is also possible these are folks who will never donate anyway and just want to have a excuse.

For the vast majority of them, I'd feel comfortable calling it "probable" rather than "possible."

[ChrisUND1]

11 minutes ago, WiSioux said:

How about the eight Olympians it produced for the last Olympics? I would guess beyond men's hockey no other sport at UND has/will produce Olympians.

It loses 1.4 million dollars a year!  Does producing Olympians make this better?  There is no money.  Simple.

[homer]

1 hour ago, hrkac said:

who cares if the ice is out, cutting women's hockey is just another example of UND showing it's a small-time operation.  Move back down to DII or III then. 

A sport that gets 209 people to a playoff game is hardly big time.  I'd say cutting a sport that costs nearly $2 million a year and investing a portion of that back into sports that people support shows an attempt to be big time.  

209, playoff. 

[UNDBIZ]

1 hour ago, UND-1 said:

Why would they be practicing right now...for what?

"Quick, they're announcing sports cuts today.  Let's get on the ice."