UND to cut women's hockey

[CMSioux]

Easy for Mike to spend and prioritize UND's money. Having a DI WH program that averages 200 fans a game and seldom made the playoffs did not contribute to having a premiere DI hockey program. UND is in full compliance with Title IX.  

[cberkas]

I never hear about Olympians from other schools as much as I hear about UND and Olympians for women’s hockey. 

[Siouxperfan7]

3 hours ago, SWSiouxMN said:

https://www.grandforksherald.com/opinion/columns/4569424-mike-jacobs-big-change-college-board-less-likely

He just can't help himself... sorry folks, UND isn't considered a premier college hockey program anymore because they cut WIH.

Sorry DU and Michigan, since you never had it, you are in the same boat... despite having 17 national championships between you. 

 

Schools like RIT, Mercyhurst, and Robert Morris obviously have more of a chance than schools like UND, Denver, and Michigan because they have both men's and women's hockey!!  

[Shawn-O]

 

[Siouxperfan7]

"Something's clearly missing from the front porch of North Dakota campuses: equal opportunity for women athletes. Both universities have programs for women, of course, but the marquee programs are for men. Women don't play collegiate football, and UND killed its women's hockey program two years ago as part of a cost-saving move."

Not sure what Jacobs is implying here.  Is he saying that there are Title IX violations at BOTH UND and NDSU?  Also, is he saying that because women's sports are not "marquee programs" for the university, that women don't have equal opportunity?!!  

 

[UNDBIZ]

2 minutes ago, Siouxperfan7 said:

"Something's clearly missing from the front porch of North Dakota campuses: equal opportunity for women athletes. Both universities have programs for women, of course, but the marquee programs are for men. Women don't play collegiate football, and UND killed its women's hockey program two years ago as part of a cost-saving move."

Not sure what Jacobs is implying here.  Is he saying that there are Title IX violations at BOTH UND and NDSU?  Also, is he saying that because women's sports are not "marquee programs" for the university, that women don't have equal opportunity?!!  

 

Don't look for rational thought behind a Jacobs opinion piece.  Just philosophical opining.  

[Cratter]

Did Jacobs have a word count he needed to hit? Guy threw two different articles together.

"Rewrite State Constitution. Remove/Privatize Colleges. Budget not generous to higher ed. Deans cutting programs still."

to 

"UND cut its marquee womens sport."

[BarnWinterSportsEngelstad]

6 minutes ago, Cratter said:

Did Jacobs have a word count he needed to hit? Guy threw two different articles together.

"Rewrite State Constitution. Remove/Privatize Colleges. Budget not generous to higher ed. Deans cutting programs still."

to 

"UND cut its marquee womens sport."

That's what I was thinking, after I read that I kind of taught that was one of his weakest articles.

[SWSiouxMN]

2 minutes ago, Cratter said:

Did Jacobs have a word count he needed to hit? Guy threw two different articles together.

"Rewrite State Constitution. Remove/Privatize Colleges. Budget not generous to higher ed. Deans cutting programs still."

to 

"UND cut its marquee womens sport."

forgot the presidents have high approval ratings and he "likes" both of them <eyeroll> but you nailed it. 

 

[bang]

38 minutes ago, Siouxperfan7 said:

"Something's clearly missing from the front porch of North Dakota campuses: equal opportunity for women athletes. Both universities have programs for women, of course, but the marquee programs are for men. Women don't play collegiate football, and UND killed its women's hockey program two years ago as part of a cost-saving move."

Not sure what Jacobs is implying here.  Is he saying that there are Title IX violations at BOTH UND and NDSU?  Also, is he saying that because women's sports are not "marquee programs" for the university, that women don't have equal opportunity?!!  

 

Women’s Hockey never had the (paid)attendance that Volleyball or basketball gets. I think the women of those two sports would have something to say about hockey being the marquee women’s sport at UND. 

[Big Green]

23 minutes ago, bang said:

Women’s Hockey never had the (paid)attendance that Volleyball or basketball gets. I think the women of those two sports would have something to say about hockey being the marquee women’s sport at UND. 

Fake news.  Both programs let Champions club members in for Free with basically same attendance.  Women's hockey needed to go based on total cost.

[Big Green]

3 hours ago, CMSioux said:

Easy for Mike to spend and prioritize UND's money. Having a DI WH program that averages 200 fans a game and seldom made the playoffs did not contribute to having a premiere DI hockey program. UND is in full compliance with Title IX.  

Don't think they ever had less than 200 fan a game.  Paid attendance maybe, i don't know where you would find those numbers.

 

[Siouxphan27]

1 minute ago, Big Green said:

Don't think they ever had less than 200 fan a game.  Paid attendance maybe, i don't know where you would find those numbers.

 

I remember their last ever playoff series they had which was against Ohio state I believe, the attendance was listed as 210.  

[HawksHoops]

2 hours ago, Big Green said:

Fake news.  Both programs let Champions club members in for Free with basically same attendance.  Women's hockey needed to go based on total cost.

I agree that WIH deserved the ax based on total cost, but attendance was 35% higher (paid and unpaid) at Volleyball during the 2016 year.

Volleyball - 17,433 (16 matches) - Avg. 1,090

http://fs.ncaa.org/Docs/stats/w_volleyball_RB/2017/Attend.pdf

Women's Ice Hockey - 15,344 (19 games) - Avg. 807

http://fs.ncaa.org/Docs/stats/w_icehockey_rb/2018/attend.pdf

[Big Green]

19 minutes ago, HawksHoops said:

I agree that WIH deserved the ax based on total cost, but attendance was 35% higher (paid and unpaid) at Volleyball during the 2016 year.

Volleyball - 17,433 (16 matches) - Avg. 1,090

http://fs.ncaa.org/Docs/stats/w_volleyball_RB/2017/Attend.pdf

Women's Ice Hockey - 15,344 (19 games) - Avg. 807

http://fs.ncaa.org/Docs/stats/w_icehockey_rb/2018/attend.pdf

Keep in mind the WIH numbers include the 3 playoff games where fan's had to pay to get in.  Comparing apples to apples it would be about 912/game for WIH.  About 20% higher.  Not sure you could call volleyball the marquee women sport.  Also Volleyball attendance for this season is about 100/fan per game less this year then 2016.

 

[SWSiouxMN]

9 minutes ago, Big Green said:

Keep in mind the WIH numbers include the 3 playoff games where fan's had to pay to get in.  Comparing apples to apples it would be about 912/game for WIH.  About 20% higher.  Not sure you could call volleyball the marquee women sport.  Also Volleyball attendance for this season is about 100/fan per game less this year then 2016.

 

VB also has the 3 home games that was apart of the BSC Tournament.  I'd say VB is still #2 behind the basketball team.   

[HawksHoops]

1 minute ago, SWSiouxMN said:

VB also has the 3 home games that was apart of the BSC Tournament.  

UND averaged 1,009 paid attendance for their matches in that tournament compared to roughly 200 for WIH.  That's a pretty substantial difference in paid attendance.

[UNDBIZ]

I don't believe VB has ever offered any tuition waiver drawings to student attendees either, unlike WIH.

[Big Green]

Just now, SWSiouxMN said:

VB also has the 3 home games that was apart of the BSC Tournament.  

Playing for a big sky championship is different than a first round WCHA playoff game.  Numbers are also using the best season in Volleyball history as a comparison.

 

[Big Green]

2 minutes ago, HawksHoops said:

UND averaged 1,009 paid attendance for their matches in that tournament compared to roughly 200 for WIH.  That's a pretty substantial difference in paid attendance.

Playing for a big sky championship is different than a first round WCHA playoff game  One and only time they have hosted.

 

[Big Green]

2 minutes ago, UNDBIZ said:

I don't believe VB has ever offered any tuition waiver drawings to student attendees either, unlike WIH.

Don't recall that every happening.  Maybe I missed it.

[jdub27]

18 minutes ago, Big Green said:

Keep in mind the WIH numbers include the 3 playoff games where fan's had to pay to get in.  Comparing apples to apples it would be about 912/game for WIH.  About 20% higher.  Not sure you could call volleyball the marquee women sport.  Also Volleyball attendance for this season is about 100/fan per game less this year then 2016.

Champions Club member don't get into the NDSU game for free. Ticket revenues for that alone  are more than WIH, including playoffs.

[Big Green]

5 minutes ago, jdub27 said:

Champions Club member don't get into the NDSU game for free. Ticket revenues for that alone  are more than WIH, including playoffs.

UND didn't play NDSU at home in 2016 if that are the numbers we are comparing.  Like I said you the pure not cost of WIH vs almost any other sport was reason for it to be cut.  

 

[petey23]

5 hours ago, Siouxperfan7 said:

"Something's clearly missing from the front porch of North Dakota campuses: equal opportunity for women athletes. Both universities have programs for women, of course, but the marquee programs are for men. Women don't play collegiate football, and UND killed its women's hockey program two years ago as part of a cost-saving move."

Not sure what Jacobs is implying here.  Is he saying that there are Title IX violations at BOTH UND and NDSU?  Also, is he saying that because women's sports are not "marquee programs" for the university, that women don't have equal opportunity?!!  

 

virtue signaling

[Oxbow6]

I just want to know did the twins leave some T-shirts with Jacobs in case I want to buy one so I can support the twins financially.