darell1976 Posted January 6, 2017 Share Posted January 6, 2017 8 hours ago, Teeder11 said: Looks like Arnell has tweeted NCAA ruled no hardship year for him. He's pretty upset and justly so. If his jersey was green and yellow I bet the NCAA gives him the green light to play. This is total !@#$. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SooToo Posted January 6, 2017 Share Posted January 6, 2017 14 hours ago, gundy1124 said: A miss is a miss with field goals, the longer they are the more risk of a block because of trajectory. I am referring to height and distance in regards to Kick-offs and Kick-off coverage. The more height and distance the more time the coverage team has to get down the field, get off blocks, make a tackle, preventing the other team from obtaining good field position and/or momentum. No blocked kicks the past two years, per Geaux Sioux"s stats. So what's your explanation for the big drop off in FG % from 40 to 49 yds this past year (4 of 10) vs the two previous years? ( 8 of 10) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darell1976 Posted January 6, 2017 Share Posted January 6, 2017 37 minutes ago, SooToo said: No blocked kicks the past two years, per Geaux Sioux"s stats. So what's your explanation for the big drop off in FG % from 40 to 49 yds this past year (4 of 10) vs the two previous years? ( 8 of 10) Too much wind in the Alerus with higher attendance. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Sicatoka Posted January 6, 2017 Share Posted January 6, 2017 Quote "He has been at SBCC for three years (redshirted his first year) and he persevered through that, which is tough for some to do," said SBCC coach Craig Moropoulos. So he was at SBCC for three years (one of them a redshirt per his SBCC coach) before UND. He played in three games in 2015. He played 2016. So he did take a redshirt year at SBCC. That probably tipped the NCAA to "no". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdub27 Posted January 6, 2017 Share Posted January 6, 2017 16 minutes ago, The Sicatoka said: So he was at SBCC for three years (one of them a redshirt per his SBCC coach) before UND. He played in three games in 2015. He played 2016. So he did take a redshirt year at SBCC. That probably tipped the NCAA to "no". I didn't see that he had taken a redshirt on SBCC. That makes a pretty big difference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
siouxfan512 Posted January 6, 2017 Share Posted January 6, 2017 Assuming that Clive won't be getting another year, but since the NCAA makes the decision, and does nothing consistently, I guess we'll wait and see. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fightingsioux4life Posted January 6, 2017 Share Posted January 6, 2017 25 minutes ago, The Sicatoka said: So he was at SBCC for three years (one of them a redshirt per his SBCC coach) before UND. He played in three games in 2015. He played 2016. So he did take a redshirt year at SBCC. That probably tipped the NCAA to "no". Since a lot of players take a redshirt year, why don't they just get rid of the medical hardship altogether? Either use it as it was intended or don't have it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Sicatoka Posted January 6, 2017 Share Posted January 6, 2017 26 minutes ago, jdub27 said: I didn't see that he had taken a redshirt on SBCC. That makes a pretty big difference. I'm pretty sure that is the difference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdub27 Posted January 6, 2017 Share Posted January 6, 2017 18 minutes ago, fightingsioux4life said: Since a lot of players take a redshirt year, why don't they just get rid of the medical hardship altogether? Either use it as it was intended or don't have it. What do you mean use it as intended? The rules are outlined and it is very beneficial for players who didn't use a redshirt and got hurt in one of their 4 years or for players who lost two or more years to injury. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geaux_sioux Posted January 6, 2017 Share Posted January 6, 2017 3 minutes ago, The Sicatoka said: I'm pretty sure that is the difference. Yup. Seems pretty cut and dry with that added piece of info. With that said, !@#$ the NCAA. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Sicatoka Posted January 6, 2017 Share Posted January 6, 2017 Right now it's "five years to complete four seasons of play". Why not change it to "four seasons of play to be completed before the player's 24th birthday". Keep the definition of "season of play" the same*. It takes all the appeals and scenarios out of play: Mormon mission? Get your four seasons in before 24. Zach Arenell scenario? 2015 doesn't count (<30%), but how old is he? That'd determine if he can play in 2017. *Participation in 30% or more of a team's games with none of the participated in games in the second half of the team's scheduled season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CMSioux Posted January 6, 2017 Share Posted January 6, 2017 Or just change it all together and let every athlete play 5 years and do away with redshirting - most students aren't graduating in four years anymore anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnboyND7 Posted January 6, 2017 Share Posted January 6, 2017 6 minutes ago, CMSioux said: Or just change it all together and let every athlete play 5 years and do away with redshirting - most students aren't graduating in four years anymore anyway. Or...leave it alone? The system works just fine. FWIW, I don't think DeLuca should have gotten a redshirt, he chose to shut his season down. That rubs me the wrong way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NDSU grad Posted January 6, 2017 Share Posted January 6, 2017 The medical hardship are not as ambiguous as everybody seems to think they are. Unless Clives George can prove his redshirt year at UA was because of injury, he won't be getting a medical hardship either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NDSU grad Posted January 6, 2017 Share Posted January 6, 2017 2 minutes ago, JohnboyND7 said: Or...leave it alone? The system works just fine. FWIW, I don't think DeLuca should have gotten a redshirt, he chose to shut his season down. That rubs me the wrong way. I think the NCAA is fairly lax on how they determine if an injury is keeping you from playing. Case Keenum separated his shoulder the summer before his redshirt year and even though it probably really didn't keep him from playing it was enough for the school to claim that's why he took the redshirt. In order to be granted a sixth year, you must miss two complete years (it's pretty clear how the NCAA defines a complete year) because of injury. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NDSU grad Posted January 6, 2017 Share Posted January 6, 2017 4 hours ago, darell1976 said: If his jersey was green and yellow I bet the NCAA gives him the green light to play. This is total !@#$. This statement is beyond ridiculous. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
siouxfan512 Posted January 6, 2017 Share Posted January 6, 2017 3 minutes ago, NDSU grad said: This statement is beyond ridiculous. Agreed, I'm not sure why playing for the Green and Gold would make any difference, but regardless, Go Artichokes! Leaves Up! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gundy1124 Posted January 6, 2017 Share Posted January 6, 2017 3 hours ago, SooToo said: No blocked kicks the past two years, per Geaux Sioux"s stats. So what's your explanation for the big drop off in FG % from 40 to 49 yds this past year (4 of 10) vs the two previous years? ( 8 of 10) Probably the Jews or laces weren't out...... The truth is could be the snap, the hold, the kick, the elements. It probably isn't fair to just look at the numbers, but that's what we do. He missed 2 at Bowling Green and that was an awful swirling high wind and occasional rain day, very challenging conditions on those 2 misses. Kickers are a big mystery and I don't have the code to crack it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnboyND7 Posted January 6, 2017 Share Posted January 6, 2017 1 minute ago, gundy1124 said: Probably the Jews or laces weren't out...... The truth is could be the snap, the hold, the kick, the elements. It probably isn't fair to just look at the numbers, but that's what we do. He missed 2 at Bowling Green and that was an awful swirling high wind and occasional rain day, very challenging conditions on those 2 misses. Kickers are a big mystery and I don't have the code to crack it. I too blame Jews when kickers miss. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
homer Posted January 6, 2017 Share Posted January 6, 2017 22 minutes ago, NDSU grad said: The medical hardship are not as ambiguous as everybody seems to think they are. Unless Clives George can prove his redshirt year at UA was because of injury, he won't be getting a medical hardship either. There is a lot of grey area. It's not as cut and dry as you make it out to be either. I had a conversation with one of NDSUs coaches after DeLuca got granted And they were fairly certain it was going to happen but couldn't 100% guarantee it would be granted. There was a lot of work that went into making the decision to end his season after he wasn't needed anymore. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OgieOgilthorpe Posted January 6, 2017 Share Posted January 6, 2017 On 12/29/2016 at 6:27 PM, shep said: Other than UND, USC is my favorite team. I wish there was an 8 team playoff as NO team is hotter than they have been the last 2 months. Hard to forget that unbelievably embarrassing stomp down that Alabama put on them at home. Why would anyone want to see that happen again in the playoffs? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shep Posted January 6, 2017 Share Posted January 6, 2017 2 hours ago, OgieOgilthorpe said: Hard to forget that unbelievably embarrassing stomp down that Alabama put on them at home. Why would anyone want to see that happen again in the playoffs? Totally understand, but it was the first game of the year, with a different QB than the guy who was undefeated since taking over. I just think, even if you disregard USC, that an 8 team playoff is better and would allow for a "hot" team to make a move during the playoffs. No one has EVER argued that BCS playoffs should be reduced. They play the same game with college students and it's a great thing for all those schools. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OgieOgilthorpe Posted January 6, 2017 Share Posted January 6, 2017 1 hour ago, shep said: Totally understand, but it was the first game of the year, with a different QB than the guy who was undefeated since taking over. I just think, even if you disregard USC, that an 8 team playoff is better and would allow for a "hot" team to make a move during the playoffs. No one has EVER argued that BCS playoffs should be reduced. They play the same game with college students and it's a great thing for all those schools. Don't get me wrong, I completely agree that it should be at least 8 teams. A lot of these bowl games are a joke. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NDSU grad Posted January 7, 2017 Share Posted January 7, 2017 6 hours ago, homer said: There is a lot of grey area. It's not as cut and dry as you make it out to be either. I had a conversation with one of NDSUs coaches after DeLuca got granted And they were fairly certain it was going to happen but couldn't 100% guarantee it would be granted. There was a lot of work that went into making the decision to end his season after he wasn't needed anymore. Not really. The only gray area is what the NCAA determines to be a season ending injury, and like I stated before, they seem to be pretty lax on that qualification. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
homer Posted January 7, 2017 Share Posted January 7, 2017 7 minutes ago, NDSU grad said: Not really. The only gray area is what the NCAA determines to be a season ending injury, and like I stated before, they seem to be pretty lax on that qualification. I'll sum up your post- "there is no grey area but the only grey area is. They seem lax on it but it's not clearly defined. ". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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