Standing Rock Protests

[squirtcoach]

I have been watching the protests on the Cannonball River, and witnessing the support the Sioux Nation has been recieving from all over the nation. Would it be an awesome gesture of support if the football and hockey teams from UND wore throwback jerseys in support of the people at Standing Rock this fall?

[nodak651]

You mean for the people who didn't vote so we could keep our name?  No.

[UNDBIZ]

No. Politically for UND, that would be incredibly stupid. The NAs at Standing Rock would be pissed about us using their image again and everyone else would be pissed about us supporting misinformed people trying to hold back the ND economy. 

[JohnboyND7]

44 minutes ago, squirtcoach said:

I have been watching the protests on the Cannonball River, and witnessing the support the Sioux Nation has been recieving from all over the nation. Would it be an awesome gesture of support if the football and hockey teams from UND wore throwback jerseys in support of the people at Standing Rock this fall?

Why would und support a group of idiots getting worked up over nothing?

[Oxbow6]

Maybe UND teams can wear Kaepernick jerseys during warmups too.

[geaux_sioux]

If youve noticed how clear they keep the rez it's a pretty ironic protest.

[SiouxVolley]

18 minutes ago, JohnboyND7 said:

Why would und support a group of idiots getting worked up over nothing?

Actually agree with you for once.

Lack of a pipeline will result in oil trains keeping the tracks full, with oil trains still running through cities like Minneapolis and Seattle resulting in a much more dangerous condition.  But stopping the pipeline would help Warren Buffets make hundreds of millions more, like what happened with Keystone.

An existing major nat gas pipeline parallels the proposed route of the Dakota Access Pipeline.  The earth has been disturbed before with no protest.  If it was sacred ground, there is already a pipeline there.

The Missouri River is a lake where the Dakota Access Pipeline crosses it.  If a leak happens, it would very slowly diffuse into Lake Oahe, unlike a flowing river.

Standing Rock didn't respond to many inquiries before when the pipeline plans were drawn up and didn't show up for hearings to lodge complaints.  But when construction happens, their tribal leadership becomes all inflamed.

The Fort Berthold reservation is where a lot of the oil comes from.  Lack of a pipeline will force down the value of Bakken oil, hurting the Mandan, Arikara, and Hidatsa people, which have already blessed fracking.

The idea that the pipeline destroyed sacred burial grounds has not been validated by any respected archeologist, but has been put further by anti-oil forces to show a basis that the Sioux are exploited.

The land in question is private, not Indian owned.  

The Green Party wants to end oil based fuel and go to solar or wind.  Much of the protesters and their money are behind this, as the Green Party's candidate Jill Stein has made her own spray painting visits.  The protests wouldn't be so hypocritical if they were powered by Tesla vehicles rather than gas guzzling pickup trucks.

[Fetch]

I wonder if they will stay when its 30 below ?

[Siouxman]

In my career I worked with a number of tribes, primarily on electricity issues.  There are a number of characteristics, unfortunately, that tend to be common among the tribes.  First, they operate on what is called IT (Indian Time), which means when meetings and appointments are scheduled they will show up at the time that they consider appropriate.  I have driven over 100 miles several times to meet with tribal officials at a designated time, and have them arrive up to 2 hours or more late, or not show up at all.  Second, they don't seem to want to participate in the processes, waiting until the process is complete before raising a fuss that they haven't had input.  That is the exact case here.  None of the tribes participated in the permitting process before the ND PSC or the federal government.  The tribal involvement in the Fighting Sioux nickname followed this trend as well.

As a native of ND I watch the obituaries in the Bismarck Tribune closely to learn of the passing of classmates and friends, or people I just know.  What has really struck me are the obituaries of Native Americans and the ages at which they are dying.  It doesn't matter if it is Fort Berthold or Fort Yates or any of the other tribes there are far too many dying in their 20's, 30's. 40's and 50's.  It is uncommon to see a Native American obituary for someone 70 or older.  If the tribes could get this worked up about reservation living conditions, life styles, education, etc. and go after what is causing all of these premature deaths, they could maybe make some real progress in many lives.

I believe that while their status as sovereign nations provides them some benefit, it also greatly hinders them to a much greater degree.  You see very little industrial or business development (other than casinos) on the reservations because companies do not want to be subject just to tribal law and councils rather than standard state and federal law.  No one wants to risk significant capital that would be at risk of the whims of a tribal council or court.  And unfortunately, many tribal elected officials have been corrupt.  Even after being convicted and serving jail time, some have returned and won re-election.

Finally, I have heard numerous stories about Native American youth wanting to attend college, get an education that will help them earn a decent living, but face pressure and harassment to stay on the reservation.  There are two sides to this situation, the effort to better one's self and the effort to maintain the Native American culture and tribe on the reservation.  Unless tribal members learn to work toward improving the education and job opportunities of their population, things will continue as is.

 

And no, UND should not get involved in this tribal situation.  There is an argument from the past that comes to mind, that UND has more pressing issues to deal with.

[Fetch]

The Sioux were Slienced is another example of getting envolved after it was over 

[Fetch]

& like has been said pipelines are so much safer than trains 

Unless big refineries are built in or near the Bakken there is a tremendous amount of oil to be shipped to where the refineries are

[Big Lubowski]

15 minutes ago, Siouxman said:

In my career I worked with a number of tribes, primarily on electricity issues.  There are a number of characteristics, unfortunately, that tend to be common among the tribes.  First, they operate on what is called IT (Indian Time), which means when meetings and appointments are scheduled they will show up at the time that they consider appropriate.  I have driven over 100 miles several times to meet with tribal officials at a designated time, and have them arrive up to 2 hours or more late, or not show up at all.  Second, they don't seem to want to participate in the processes, waiting until the process is complete before raising a fuss that they haven't had input.  That is the exact case here.  None of the tribes participated in the permitting process before the ND PSC or the federal government.  The tribal involvement in the Fighting Sioux nickname followed this trend as well.

As a native of ND I watch the obituaries in the Bismarck Tribune closely to learn of the passing of classmates and friends, or people I just know.  What has really struck me are the obituaries of Native Americans and the ages at which they are dying.  It doesn't matter if it is Fort Berthold or Fort Yates or any of the other tribes there are far too many dying in their 20's, 30's. 40's and 50's.  It is uncommon to see a Native American obituary for someone 70 or older.  If the tribes could get this worked up about reservation living conditions, life styles, education, etc. and go after what is causing all of these premature deaths, they could maybe make some real progress in many lives.

I believe that while their status as sovereign nations provides them some benefit, it also greatly hinders them to a much greater degree.  You see very little industrial or business development (other than casinos) on the reservations because companies do not want to be subject just to tribal law and councils rather than standard state and federal law.  No one wants to risk significant capital that would be at risk of the whims of a tribal council or court.  And unfortunately, many tribal elected officials have been corrupt.  Even after being convicted and serving jail time, some have returned and won re-election.

Finally, I have heard numerous stories about Native American youth wanting to attend college, get an education that will help them earn a decent living, but face pressure and harassment to stay on the reservation.  There are two sides to this situation, the effort to better one's self and the effort to maintain the Native American culture and tribe on the reservation.  Unless tribal members learn to work toward improving the education and job opportunities of their population, things will continue as is.

 

And no, UND should not get involved in this tribal situation.  There is an argument from the past that comes to mind, that UND has more pressing issues to deal with.

Very well stated and right on point.

The tribes are very often their own worst enemy. There are few jobs on the reservation because of what you said. Yet there is constant complaining about high unemployment. If there are no jobs there, the unemployed need to go where there are jobs, much like the great influx ND had during the boom. 

Too bad the tribe doesn't realize it's being exploited by the very people who are assisting the tribe in protesting its exploitment..

[Oxbow6]

56 minutes ago, Siouxman said:

In my career I worked with a number of tribes, primarily on electricity issues.  There are a number of characteristics, unfortunately, that tend to be common among the tribes.  First, they operate on what is called IT (Indian Time), which means when meetings and appointments are scheduled they will show up at the time that they consider appropriate.  I have driven over 100 miles several times to meet with tribal officials at a designated time, and have them arrive up to 2 hours or more late, or not show up at all.  Second, they don't seem to want to participate in the processes, waiting until the process is complete before raising a fuss that they haven't had input.  That is the exact case here.  None of the tribes participated in the permitting process before the ND PSC or the federal government.  The tribal involvement in the Fighting Sioux nickname followed this trend as well.

As a native of ND I watch the obituaries in the Bismarck Tribune closely to learn of the passing of classmates and friends, or people I just know.  What has really struck me are the obituaries of Native Americans and the ages at which they are dying.  It doesn't matter if it is Fort Berthold or Fort Yates or any of the other tribes there are far too many dying in their 20's, 30's. 40's and 50's.  It is uncommon to see a Native American obituary for someone 70 or older.  If the tribes could get this worked up about reservation living conditions, life styles, education, etc. and go after what is causing all of these premature deaths, they could maybe make some real progress in many lives.

I believe that while their status as sovereign nations provides them some benefit, it also greatly hinders them to a much greater degree.  You see very little industrial or business development (other than casinos) on the reservations because companies do not want to be subject just to tribal law and councils rather than standard state and federal law.  No one wants to risk significant capital that would be at risk of the whims of a tribal council or court.  And unfortunately, many tribal elected officials have been corrupt.  Even after being convicted and serving jail time, some have returned and won re-election.

Finally, I have heard numerous stories about Native American youth wanting to attend college, get an education that will help them earn a decent living, but face pressure and harassment to stay on the reservation.  There are two sides to this situation, the effort to better one's self and the effort to maintain the Native American culture and tribe on the reservation.  Unless tribal members learn to work toward improving the education and job opportunities of their population, things will continue as is.

 

And no, UND should not get involved in this tribal situation.  There is an argument from the past that comes to mind, that UND has more pressing issues to deal with.

Leigh Jeanotte doesn't approve of this racist talk..........

[Sioux>Bison]

The six so called burial sites were right over the existing northern border pipeline. How can we believe anything they are claiming when they blatantly are lying about those sites. Back in the 80's when they installed the natural gas line they consulted many tribes about sacred sites along the route. Standing Rock had no comment back then but now all of a sudden there is an issue?

How are these people getting to the protest? I'm pretty sure almost 100% are driving fossil fuel powered cars. Most of them use petroleum based products everyday of their lives. Don't bite the hand that feeds you and be a hypocrite. To top it all off the tribal chairmen owns a GAS station right next to the protest site. He is making tons of money off fossil fuels and this pointless protest.

[siouxforeverbaby]

2 hours ago, Oxbow6 said:

Leigh Jeanotte doesn't approve of this racist talk..........

Perhaps Leigh should concentrate more on himself and not what others are doing.

[Oxbow6]

Agree but that shifts focus from his role as a martyr 

[The Sicatoka]

I said this in the Merchandise thread; I'll say it here:

On 9/8/2016 at 9:21 AM, The Sicatoka said:

Given the non-sense (trespassing, defacing) going on with the SRST right now in Morton County, I'm more than glad UND no longer has any reason to be beholden to that organization. ...

 

DISCLAIMER 1: My comments are based on what the SRST is allowing to happen in their name. 
DISCLAIMER 2: This is not about pipelines or environment. This is not political.
DISCLAIMER 3: You always have the right to protest ... peacefully, lawfully. 

 

[77iceman]

23 hours ago, squirtcoach said:

I have been watching the protests on the Cannonball River, and witnessing the support the Sioux Nation has been recieving from all over the nation. Would it be an awesome gesture of support if the football and hockey teams from UND wore throwback jerseys in support of the people at Standing Rock this fall?

The lesson learned was "do not use any native american imagery at all".

i would maybe go support them...wearing some fighting hawks gear.  Show support for the tribe without being derogatory. (At least in the eyes of some law making officials).

[77iceman]

18 minutes ago, 77iceman said:

The lesson learned was "do not use any native american imagery at all".

i would maybe go support them...wearing some fighting hawks gear.  Show support for the tribe without being derogatory. (At least in the eyes of some law making officials).

And i saw this with zero knowledge of what they are protesting (i don't live up there).

point is, i'm over truing to support the "sioux" logo.  Scrap it and move on i say.

[The Sicatoka]

On 9/10/2016 at 11:22 AM, SiouxVolley said:

Lack of a pipeline will result in oil trains keeping the tracks full, with oil trains still running through cities like Minneapolis and Seattle resulting in a much more dangerous condition.  

Found myself in downtown Fargo this morning. I saw two oil trains going through (10 and 11 AM) on the north set of tracks, the ones that go past the old Great Northern depot. You know the ones: Two blocks south of Sanford Hospital. Imagine a "Casselton 2.0" down in there. 

I'll take the managed pipeline thank you. 

[UNDMOORHEAD]

40 minutes ago, The Sicatoka said:

Found myself in downtown Fargo this morning. I saw two oil trains going through (10 and 11 AM) on the north set of tracks, the ones that go past the old Great Northern depot. You know the ones: Two blocks south of Sanford Hospital. Imagine a "Casselton 2.0" down in there. 

I'll take the managed pipeline thank you. 

They bring loaded oil trains through Minneapolis, St Paul and Chicago. And at Casselton it was the west bound grain train that derailed and hit the east bound oil train.

[MafiaMan]

Siouxman, was that your white privilege talking again?    

[CMSioux]

http://dailycaller.com/2016/09/12/journalist-charged-with-trespassing-after-reporting-on-north-dakota-protests/

Just another lazy reporter not doing their homework on the Fighting Sioux nickname. 

[The Sicatoka]

2 hours ago, CMSioux said:

http://dailycaller.com/2016/09/12/journalist-charged-with-trespassing-after-reporting-on-north-dakota-protests/

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One protester said, “No one owns this land. This land belongs to the Earth. We are only caretakers. We’re caretakers of the Earth.”

So, if I go down to Ft. Yates and pitch a tent in the SRST offices claiming that, how long before I'm forceably evicted from tribal land? 

[petey23]

On ‎9‎/‎10‎/‎2016 at 0:17 PM, Big Lubowski said:

Very well stated and right on point.

The tribes are very often their own worst enemy. There are few jobs on the reservation because of what you said. Yet there is constant complaining about high unemployment. If there are no jobs there, the unemployed need to go where there are jobs, much like the great influx ND had during the boom. 

Too bad the tribe doesn't realize it's being exploited by the very people who are assisting the tribe in protesting its exploitment..

I remember when the Casino was built south of Mandan and there was a big uproar on TV, Radio, and in the Newspapers about how many Non Native people were hired to work at the Casino and that not enough Native Americans were hired, etc. This went on for a couple of weeks since the media loves to fan the flames on stories like this. Finally, after a couple of weeks of this, the CEO(or whatever his title was) from the Management Company hired to run the Casino gave a press conference and basically said that every single Native American who applied for a job at the Casino was hired or offered a job....this ended the uproar.